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    Provisioning the MMI 3G+ with LTE Mobile Data Post 3G Shutdown

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    After collecting all the pieces, I "installed" LTE data to our MMI 3G+ system this afternoon using our old legacy Freedompop SIM, a Digi LTE router, USB ethernet adapter, and bespoke MMI/USB cable. The idea was to locate the Digi LTE router under the MMI main unit and behind the climate controls, and use the existing GSM antenna cable with a short FAKRA/SMA adapter cable.

    The trickiest part of the installation was getting a direct USB connection from the back of the MMI main unit rather than from the AMI connector in the glovebox. Sourcing the components to make a proper MMI/USB cable took some effort, but better late than never. Components included an old (working) after-market AMI USB cable, a yellow FAKRA HSD connector with pigtail cable 4F1035750C, green T12 connector block 8X0035447A, 3 repair wire ends, and the "detect" resistor from the non-OE AMI USB cable:


    MMI/USB cable connections:
    Code:
    T4ap/1 (USB D+)----[USB/3]
    T4ap/2 (not used) 
    T4ap/3 (USB D-)----[USB/2]
    T4ap/4 (GND)---------------+ 
    T12y/3 (USB +5V)---[USB/1] |  
    T12y/4 (USB GND)---[USB/4] |  
    T12y/6 (Detect)---1K ohm---+
    The finished MMI/USB cable:


    I modified the stock installFairMode.sh as an SD script to include installation of a proper resolv.conf file:

    Code:
    #!/bin/ksh
    # 20220320 drger; DLink USB Ethernet adapter settings
    # Script startup env from copie_scr.sh
    showScreen ${SDLIB}/scriptStart.png
    touch ${sdpath}/.started
    xlogfile=${SDPATH}/run-$(getTime).log
    exec > ${xlogfile} 2>&1
    echo "[INFO] Start: `date`; Timestamp: $(getTime); Train: $SWTRAIN"
    
    SOURCE=/mnt/efs-system/scripts/Connectivity
    
    echo "[ACTI] Copying data for LAN."
    mount -uw /mnt/efs-system
    mount -uw /mnt/efs-persist
    
    # Backup GSM related files:
    if [ -f /etc/browser/common.cfg ]
    then
       echo "[ACTI] Saving /etc/browser/common.cfg"
       cp -v /etc/browser/common.cfg ${SDVAR}/etc-browser-common.cfg.GSM
       cp -v /etc/browser/common.cfg /etc/browser/common.cfg.GSM
    fi
    
    if [ -f /lsd/poiproducer.properties ]
    then
       echo "[ACTI] Saving /lsd/poiproducer.properties"
       cp -v /lsd/poiproducer.properties ${SDVAR}/lsd-poiproducer.properties.GSM
       cp -v /lsd/poiproducer.properties /lsd/poiproducer.properties.GSM
    fi
    
    if [ -f /lsd/MMI3G_MyAudi.properties ]
    then
       echo "[ACTI] Saving /lsd/MMI3G_MyAudi.properties"
       cp -v /lsd/MMI3G_MyAudi.properties ${SDVAR}/lsd-MMI3G_MyAudi.properties.GSM
       mv -v /lsd/MMI3G_MyAudi.properties /lsd/MMI3G_MyAudi.properties.GSM
    fi
    
    if [ -f /etc/ppp/pf.conf ]
    then
       echo "[ACTI] Saving /etc/ppp/pf.conf"
       cp -v /etc/ppp/pf.conf ${SDVAR}/etc-ppp-pf.conf.GSM
       cp -v /etc/ppp/pf.conf /etc/ppp/pf.conf.GSM
    fi
    
    echo "[INFO] LAN setup..."
    echo "[ACTI] Install resolv.conf.LAN"
    cp -v ${SDVAR}/resolv.conf.LAN /mnt/efs-system/scripts/Connectivity/
    cp -v ${SDVAR}/resolv.conf.LAN /mnt/efs-system/etc/resolv.conf
    
    echo "[ACTI] Patch MyAudi."
    cp -v ${SOURCE}/myaudiconnect_nodataconnect.jar /lsd/myaudiconnect_nodataconnect.jar
    #rm -v /lsd/MMI3G_MyAudi.properties
    
    echo "[ACTI] Create usedhcp flag."
    touch /HBpersistence/usedhcp
    
    echo "[ACTI] Create DLinkReplacesPPP flag."
    touch /HBpersistence/DLinkReplacesPPP
    
    echo "[ACTI] Copy common.cfg."
    cp -v ${SOURCE}/common.cfg /etc/browser/common.cfg
    
    echo "[ACTI] Copy poiproducer.properties"
    cp -v ${SOURCE}/poiproducer.properties /lsd/poiproducer.properties
    
    echo "[ACTI] Copy pf.conf"
    cp -v ${SOURCE}/pf.conf /etc/ppp/pf.conf
    
    # Script cleanup:
    echo "[INFO] End: `date`; Timestamp: $(getTime)"
    showScreen ${SDLIB}/scriptDone.png
    rm -f ${sdpath}/.started
    exit 0
    After running the script, the MMI system will look for a DLink (or equivalent chipset) USB ethernet adapter as its network interface.

    Putting the hardware together, we get:


    Notice the green status indicator on the map display, indicating that the Google Earth client is connected and authenticated to the back-end service.

    And the GEM offers confirmation, first that the MMI system recognizes the USB ethernet adapter:


    and that the ethernet device gets an IP address from the Digi LTE router DHCP server:


    Power to the Digi LTE router comes from a Term 75 switched circuit on Fuse Panel C/1, so it's only on with the ignition; the DHCP server is ready before the MMI system tries to get an IP address, so that should be sufficient in normal operation. We'll see how this works out in the coming summer travel months. --g
    Last edited by DrGER; 04-18-2024 at 07:20 PM.
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    That is some pretty impressive work. Nice job! How did you pull the shell script off the MMI unit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beriant View Post
    That is some pretty impressive work. Nice job! How did you pull the shell script off the MMI unit?
    Thanks for that. I've been working around UN*X/Linux since the mid-/late- '80s and have a friend who did QNX dev work for the telecom industry 20 years ago, so once I figured out how to run SD card shell scripts, the rest was (relatively) easy.

    If you're interested, start by looking at this ZIP archive: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FE5...ew?usp=sharing

    Extract the ZIP to a blank SD card formatted as FAT32. At the car, turn on the ignition, wait for the MMI system to start fully (2-3 min) or all CAR & TEL functions work, then insert the SD card into either SD slot (the script will determine the correct address in the MMI/QNX file system for the path to the SD card). If the QNX system sees the SD card correctly, it will launch the run.sh script and display prompts at the start & end of the script. When the script is done, remove the SD card, turn off the ignition, eject the SD card, and bring it back to a PC, where you'll find a run.log file in the SD card root dir/folder. Use the log file to locate interesting files like installFairMode.sh, then use the SD card "template" to write a new run.sh script to copy files from the QNX system (either flash memory or the HDD) to the SD card. --g
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    Very interesting, so the MMI is running QNX. Was always curious what it was but now I know :)

    Is the QNX system just configured in such a way it always looks for a run.sh script and calls it when detected? If that's the case then I see what you mean. Once you can get the MMI to run a script you want you can start doing all sorts of things like copying all the good stuff out, modifying it, and then overwriting the originals.

    I wonder what all kind of things can be done once you get into it like this. Definitely going to download it and start looking around, thanks for the info.

    It would be super awesome to be able to "virtualize" the MMI OS to use as a testing ground but I am just imagining all the things why that wouldn't be feasible lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beriant View Post
    Is the QNX system just configured in such a way it always looks for a run.sh script and calls it when detected?
    Yes, the system has a process that looks for SD card insertions (proc_scriptlauncher), mounts the FAT32 filesystem in /mnt, and looks for encrypted file "copie_scr.sh" to exec with the SD card path as its argument. I've modified the "standard" copie_scr.sh script as described here: https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt..._scr-sh-Script

    QNX offers their run-time environment as a VMware image, but it doesn't come with a cross-compiler for the MMI CPU architecture (Renesas SH7785 32-bit RISC), so developing new MMI 3G binaries is not so easy. But shell scripts using existing QNX binaries (mostly stored in flash memory) are easy enough to put together. --g
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    I’d love to buy a working set with a firmware copy if you ever decide to sell them as a ‘kit’.
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    would you sell this as a kit? also could you kindly explain the connections you made

    Quote Originally Posted by DrGER View Post
    After collecting all the pieces, I "installed" LTE data to our MMI 3G+ system this afternoon using our old legacy Freedompop SIM, a Digi LTE router, USB ethernet adapter, and bespoke MMI/USB cable. The idea was to locate the Digi LTE router under the MMI main unit and behind the climate controls, and use the existing GSM antenna cable with a short FAKRA/SMA adapter cable.

    The trickiest part of the installation was getting a direct USB connection from the back of the MMI main unit rather than from the AMI connector in the glovebox. Sourcing the components to make a proper MMI/USB cable took some effort, but better late than never. Components included an old (working) after-market AMI USB cable, a yellow FAKRA HSD connector with pigtail cable 4F1035750C, green T12 connector block 8X0035447A, 3 repair wire ends, and the "detect" resistor from the non-OE AMI USB cable:


    MMI/USB cable connections:
    Code:
    T4ap/1 (USB D+)----[USB/3]
    T4ap/2 (not used) 
    T4ap/3 (USB D-)----[USB/2]
    T4ap/4 (GND)---------------+ 
    T12y/3 (USB +5V)---[USB/1] |  
    T12y/4 (USB GND)---[USB/4] |  
    T12y/6 (Detect)---1K ohm---+
    The finished MMI/USB cable:


    I modified the stock installFairMode.sh as an SD script to include installation of a proper resolv.conf file:

    Code:
    #!/bin/ksh
    # 20220320 drger; DLink USB Ethernet adapter settings
    # Script startup env from copie_scr.sh
    showScreen ${SDLIB}/scriptStart.png
    touch ${sdpath}/.started
    xlogfile=${SDPATH}/run-$(getTime).log
    exec > ${xlogfile} 2>&1
    echo "[INFO] Start: `date`; Timestamp: $(getTime); Train: $SWTRAIN"
    
    SOURCE=/mnt/efs-system/scripts/Connectivity
    
    echo "[ACTI] Copying data for LAN."
    mount -uw /mnt/efs-system
    mount -uw /mnt/efs-persist
    
    # Backup GSM related files:
    if [ -f /etc/browser/common.cfg ]
    then
       echo "[ACTI] Saving /etc/browser/common.cfg"
       cp -v /etc/browser/common.cfg ${SDVAR}/etc-browser-common.cfg.GSM
       cp -v /etc/browser/common.cfg /etc/browser/common.cfg.GSM
    fi
    
    if [ -f /lsd/poiproducer.properties ]
    then
       echo "[ACTI] Saving /lsd/poiproducer.properties"
       cp -v /lsd/poiproducer.properties ${SDVAR}/lsd-poiproducer.properties.GSM
       cp -v /lsd/poiproducer.properties /lsd/poiproducer.properties.GSM
    fi
    
    if [ -f /lsd/MMI3G_MyAudi.properties ]
    then
       echo "[ACTI] Saving /lsd/MMI3G_MyAudi.properties"
       cp -v /lsd/MMI3G_MyAudi.properties ${SDVAR}/lsd-MMI3G_MyAudi.properties.GSM
       cp -v /lsd/MMI3G_MyAudi.properties /lsd/MMI3G_MyAudi.properties.GSM
    fi
    
    if [ -f /etc/ppp/pf.conf ]
    then
       echo "[ACTI] Saving /etc/ppp/pf.conf"
       cp -v /etc/ppp/pf.conf ${SDVAR}/etc-ppp-pf.conf.GSM
       cp -v /etc/ppp/pf.conf /etc/ppp/pf.conf.GSM
    fi
    
    echo "[INFO] LAN setup..."
    echo "[ACTI] Install resolv.conf.LAN"
    cp -v ${SDVAR}/resolv.conf.LAN /mnt/efs-system/scripts/Connectivity/
    cp -v ${SDVAR}/resolv.conf.LAN /mnt/efs-system/etc/resolv.conf
    
    echo "[ACTI] Patch MyAudi."
    cp -v ${SOURCE}/myaudiconnect_nodataconnect.jar /lsd/myaudiconnect_nodataconnect.jar
    rm -v /lsd/MMI3G_MyAudi.properties
    
    echo "[ACTI] Create usedhcp flag."
    touch /HBpersistence/usedhcp
    
    echo "[ACTI] Create DLinkReplacesPPP flag."
    touch /HBpersistence/DLinkReplacesPPP
    
    echo "[ACTI] Copy common.cfg."
    cp -v ${SOURCE}/common.cfg /etc/browser/common.cfg
    
    echo "[ACTI] Copy poiproducer.properties"
    cp -v ${SOURCE}/poiproducer.properties /lsd/poiproducer.properties
    
    echo "[ACTI] Copy pf.conf"
    cp -v ${SOURCE}/pf.conf /etc/ppp/pf.conf
    
    # Script cleanup:
    echo "[INFO] End: `date`; Timestamp: $(getTime)"
    showScreen ${SDLIB}/scriptDone.png
    rm -f ${sdpath}/.started
    exit 0
    After running the script, the MMI system will look for a DLink (or equivalent chipset) USB ethernet adapter as its network interface.

    Putting the hardware together, we get:



    Notice the green status indicator on the map display, indicating that the Google Earth client is connected and authenticated to the back-end service.

    And the GEM offers confirmation, first that the MMI system recognizes the USB ethernet adapter:


    and that the ethernet device gets an IP address from the Digi LTE router DHCP server:


    Power to the Digi LTE router comes from a Term 75 switched circuit on Fuse Panel C/1, so it's only on with the ignition; the DHCP server is ready before the MMI system tries to get an IP address, so that should be sufficient in normal operation. We'll see how this works out in the coming summer travel months. --g

    would you sell this as a kit? also could you kindly explain the MMI/USB connections you made with color codes or with more pictures? Also i have a 2011 a4 b8 with the mmi 3g+ retrofit, i read that the T4ap connection is for External Audio Source (R199)/ and for Internet Access Control Module-J66-(from MY2012). How would you suggest i go about this?
    Last edited by dan_am; 06-03-2022 at 02:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan_am View Post
    would you sell this as a kit? also could you kindly explain the MMI/USB connections you made with color codes or with more pictures? Also i have a 2011 a4 b8 with the mmi 3g+ retrofit, i read that the T4ap connection is for External Audio Source (R199)/ and for Internet Access Control Module-J66-(from MY2012). How would you suggest i go about this?
    Sell as a kit ? Without a better feel for the market, not likely. But it's not really that hard to put together. The network bits (UGREEN USB Ethernet adapter, short ethernet cable, third party AMI/USB cable) can be sourced from Amazon or eBay:
    https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-Ethern...dp/B00MYT481C/
    https://www.amazon.com/CGTime-Cable-...dp/B075N2Y834/

    Finding the MMI side connectors are a bit harder (for a reasonable price): the green QuadLock connector body 8X0035447A and the curry/yellow FAKRA HSD connector 4F1035750C. I sourced the FAKRA HSD connector from Aliexpress:https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256803445400800.html
    I ended up reusing the green T12y connector from another harness for this project (after removing the old pins/wires from the connector).

    Regarding connectors T4ap and T12y on the MMI main unit -J794-, pin-outs are as follows:

    T4ap/1: USB DAT+ **
    T4ap/2: iPod detect (unused here)
    T4ap/3: USB DAT- **
    T4ap/4: GND **

    T12y/1: Aux-in GND
    T12y/2: Aux-in L
    T12y/3: USB +5V **
    T12y/4: USB GND **
    T12y/5: n/a
    T12y/6: USB detect **
    T12y/7: Aux-in R
    T12y/8: shield
    T12y/9: CVBS+
    T12y/10: CVBS-
    T12y/11: iPod
    T12y/12: iPod

    I don't know that third-party USB cables have any standard color coding; I used an ohm meter (continuity) to determine which connections went with each of the four wires in the cable. Same with the FAKRA HSD cable.

    If one were going to do this, you would need to determine how you were going to provision mobile data first. In our case, we're using our legacy Freedompop-branded AT&T SIM, so finding an LTE router that works with that network carrier was the first task. The Digi WR11 LTE routers come in several versions for AT&T, Verizon, Sprint(!), and unlocked for North America (I don't remember seeing a T-Mobile version). eBay shows some of these:
    Digi WR11 (consumer version) AT&T: https://www.ebay.com/itm/265388784118
    Digi WR11 XT (industrial version) NA unlocked: https://www.ebay.com/itm/325114923351

    Once you have the LTE router sourced, it needs to be configured correctly for the MMI system: fixed IP address 192.168.0.1; DHCP server enabled: Netmask 255.255.255.0, Gateway 192.168.0.1, DNS Server 192.168.0.1. LTE connectivity with the SIM and APN configuration should be confirmed on a laptop/desktop before installing in the car.

    And my modified SD script for MMI 3G+ LAN/LTE router setup is here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Xz7...ew?usp=sharing
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrGER View Post
    Sell as a kit ? Without a better feel for the market, not likely. But it's not really that hard to put together. The network bits (UGREEN USB Ethernet adapter, short ethernet cable, third party AMI/USB cable) can be sourced from Amazon or eBay:
    https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-Ethern...dp/B00MYT481C/
    https://www.amazon.com/CGTime-Cable-...dp/B075N2Y834/

    Finding the MMI side connectors are a bit harder (for a reasonable price): the green QuadLock connector body 8X0035447A and the curry/yellow FAKRA HSD connector 4F1035750C. I sourced the FAKRA HSD connector from Aliexpress:https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256803445400800.html
    I ended up reusing the green T12y connector from another harness for this project (after removing the old pins/wires from the connector).

    Regarding connectors T4ap and T12y on the MMI main unit -J794-, pin-outs are as follows:

    T4ap/1: USB DAT+ **
    T4ap/2: iPod detect (unused here)
    T4ap/3: USB DAT- **
    T4ap/4: GND **

    T12y/1: Aux-in GND
    T12y/2: Aux-in L
    T12y/3: USB +5V **
    T12y/4: USB GND **
    T12y/5: n/a
    T12y/6: USB detect **
    T12y/7: Aux-in R
    T12y/8: shield
    T12y/9: CVBS+
    T12y/10: CVBS-
    T12y/11: iPod
    T12y/12: iPod

    I don't know that third-party USB cables have any standard color coding; I used an ohm meter (continuity) to determine which connections went with each of the four wires in the cable. Same with the FAKRA HSD cable.

    If one were going to do this, you would need to determine how you were going to provision mobile data first. In our case, we're using our legacy Freedompop-branded AT&T SIM, so finding an LTE router that works with that network carrier was the first task. The Digi WR11 LTE routers come in several versions for AT&T, Verizon, Sprint(!), and unlocked for North America (I don't remember seeing a T-Mobile version). eBay shows some of these:
    Digi WR11 (consumer version) AT&T: https://www.ebay.com/itm/265388784118
    Digi WR11 XT (industrial version) NA unlocked: https://www.ebay.com/itm/325114923351

    Once you have the LTE router sourced, it needs to be configured correctly for the MMI system: fixed IP address 192.168.0.1; DHCP server enabled: Netmask 255.255.255.0, Gateway 192.168.0.1, DNS Server 192.168.0.1. LTE connectivity with the SIM and APN configuration should be confirmed on a laptop/desktop before installing in the car.

    And my modified SD script for MMI 3G+ LAN/LTE router setup is here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Xz7...ew?usp=sharing

    Thank you so much for this information! another dumb question, when you say legacy freedom pop sim, im assuming this sim has an LTE data plan and goes into the sim card slot in router. And how do you power the router? Also I drew this out to see if i understood the wiring information correctly.
    Screen Shot 2022-06-04 at 8.09.44 PM.jpg
    Last edited by dan_am; 06-04-2022 at 05:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan_am View Post
    Thank you so much for this information! another dumb question, when you say legacy freedom pop sim, im assuming this sim has an LTE data plan and goes into the sim card slot in router. And how do you power the router? Also I drew this out to see if i understood the wiring information correctly.
    Attachment 272763
    Legacy Freedompop SIM is on the AT&T network and has a 350 MB/month data plan for 7$/month. When we got it back in '17, it was essentially free with 250 MB/month.
    The Digi WR11 LTE routers use the mini SIM form factor (size between full & nano).

    The LTE router uses 5 VDC; I'm using a 12 VDC to 5 VDC converter that gets switched (Terminal 75) power from fuse panel C (left side instrument panel).

    Your attachment, above, returns an error: Invalid Attachment specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator. --g
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrGER View Post
    Legacy Freedompop SIM is on the AT&T network and has a 350 MB/month data plan for 7$/month. When we got it back in '17, it was essentially free with 250 MB/month.
    The Digi WR11 LTE routers use the mini SIM form factor (size between full & nano).

    The LTE router uses 5 VDC; I'm using a 12 VDC to 5 VDC converter that gets switched (Terminal 75) power from fuse panel C (left side instrument panel).

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    I found my notes on the custom MMI/USB adapter cable.
    For the FAKRA HSD pigtail, we have:
    pin 1: black (USB DAT+)
    pin 2: green (not used)
    pin 3: white (USB DAT-)
    pin 4: red (detect ground)

    For the non-OE AMI/USB cable, we have:
    pin 1: red (USB +5V)
    pin 2: white (USB D-)
    pin 3: green (USB D+)
    pin 4: black (USB GND)

    So, your assumption about the USB pigtail is correct, but the FARKA HSD is not. Still, you get the idea.

    For 5 VDC power, I'm using one of these: https://www.ebay.com/itm/384892160106
    Module is mounted above the driver side instrument panel lower trim (near the relay carrier). The Digi WR11 uses a 5.5 x 2.5 barrel connector (center positive).

    Oh, and one more bit: the SMA/FAKRA D GSM cable, sourced from an Aliexpress vendor: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256802960788416.html (item SMAM90 to L FakraD M 0.2m length). --g
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrGER View Post
    I found my notes on the custom MMI/USB adapter cable.
    For the FAKRA HSD pigtail, we have:
    pin 1: black (USB DAT+)
    pin 2: green (not used)
    pin 3: white (USB DAT-)
    pin 4: red (detect ground)

    For the non-OE AMI/USB cable, we have:
    pin 1: red (USB +5V)
    pin 2: white (USB D-)
    pin 3: green (USB D+)
    pin 4: black (USB GND)

    So, your assumption about the USB pigtail is correct, but the FARKA HSD is not. Still, you get the idea.

    For 5 VDC power, I'm using one of these: https://www.ebay.com/itm/384892160106
    Module is mounted above the driver side instrument panel lower trim (near the relay carrier). The Digi WR11 uses a 5.5 x 2.5 barrel connector (center positive).

    Oh, and one more bit: the SMA/FAKRA D GSM cable, sourced from an Aliexpress vendor: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256802960788416.html (item SMAM90 to L FakraD M 0.2m length). --g
    Thank you !!

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    where does the SMA/FAKRA D connect to ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan_am View Post
    where does the SMA/FAKRA D connect to ?
    Since the integrated 3G data modem is obsolete now, we remove the GSM cable purple FAKRA D connector from the MMI main unit/modem and connect the GSM cable to the short SMA/FAKRA D cable and on to the SMA connector on the LTE modem.

    With the GSM antenna cable removed from the 3G modem, J794 throws DTC "01524 - Antenna for Telephone 011 - Open Circuit", which, of course, can't be cleared, but can be ignored (until we're able to remove the modem module from the MMI main unit physically). --g
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    ** UPDATE **
    Some Additional Remarks on the GEM "NAD activation" Setting

    When the MMI 3G+ is configured with a SIM slot, the GEM "NAD activation" setting is enabled on the /diagnose/settings/tel_settings screen:


    This enables NAD status icons in the lower-right of the MMI display and the "Wi-Fi settings" menu under [TEL] > Settings:


    When the MMI 3G+ is (re)configured in "fair" (or DLink) mode, as described in the first post of this thread, the NAD status icons on the MMI display are present but non-functional (that is, they are static):


    The NAD status icons can be removed from the MMI display by clearing "NAD activation" in the GEM:

    and restarting the MMI system.

    Clearing the "NAD activation" setting in the GEM has several consequences:

    The "Wi-Fi settings" menu is also removed from the TEL > Settings screen:


    Without mobile Internet data access, the internal Wi-Fi access point appears to be useless for connected clients (e.g., Wi-Fi only devices); as long as the WLAN device is turned off prior to clearing the "NAD activation" setting, no other significant MMI functionality is lost.

    Second, the internal Cinterion AH6 modem is disabled and not recognized as a connected USB device. This allows clearing of DTC 01524 - Antenna for Telephone (011 - Open Circuit) in Address 5F. It also prevents creation of USB serial devices associated with the AH6 modem in /dev (serusb1, serusb2, serusb3, serusb4). --g
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    ** UPDATE **

    In the first post, I describe the use of recycled non-OE AMI USB cable to build the bespoke USB port for the USB ethernet adapter. After further investigation, I confirmed that a USB 2.0 hub cable will work here, allowing simultaneous use of another USB device (e.g., a USB flash drive). For example: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005HKIDF2

    And while I'm thinking of of it, analog AUX-IN can be provisioned through the green T12y connector by adding AUX ground to pin 1, AUX-L to pin 2, and AUX-R to pin 7. For completeness, a composite video input connection can be added to T12y: CVBS+ to pin 9 and CVBS- to pin 10. I expect to re-work my bespoke MMI/USB adapter cable to include the hub noted above, AUX-IN, and composite video as a weekend project sometime soon. --g
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    A quick update to the thread: The Digi WR11 XT continues to work well with our NAR MMI3GP system to provision mobile data for Google POI nav destination searches and Google Earth image data through the solution provide by audi-mib (since early 2021).

    The Digi WR11 XT still shows up by sellers on eBay: a search this morning for "Digi WR11" finds this great deal: https://www.ebay.com/itm/155603031517

    Only $19 for an unlocked NAR LTE Digi WR11 XT (shipping included). I might have to get one just to have a spare. --g
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    Another quick update to this thread, this time regarding myAudi on-line destination retrieval.

    I fixed the broken myaudiconnect_nodataconnect.jar file that implements the myAudi on-line destination function in fair/DLink mode that has been broken since at least 2014. The solution is described here: https://www.vwvortex.com/threads/mmi...post-116179766 --g
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    Hey DrGER,

    I've discovered this mod and am in the planning stages for doing it myself. One question: the custom MMI-to-USB cable is only necessary if you don't want to run USB to the AMI port in the glovebox, correct? Do you see any reason one could not place the router somewhere convenient, stow the ethernet->usb adaptor somewhere behind the glovebox, and just have the USB to AMI adapter live in the glovebox, plugged in?

    Then the only "custom" wiring would be the fused 5V power source for the modem and the adapter for the antenna cable. Correct?

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    This is wild. You have joined one of the few 3G+ owners who are transmitting car usage/location data back to VAG. I wonder if they even store the data anymore or if they just shut those models down on the data analytics servers assuming that they were done selling that data forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avantly View Post
    This is wild. You have joined one of the few 3G+ owners who are transmitting car usage/location data back to VAG...
    More conspiracy theories.

    When 3G data was available and the integrated data modem was provisioned with a SIM, the PPP connection was only established on-demand for Google Earth, Google destination search, Audi connect services, and myAudi on-line destinations. For example, inspection of the myAudi on-line destination request transaction in the Java source code showed no evidence that car usage/location data was sent at any time. If one didn't use any of the MMI3GP services that required internet access, the PPP connection never started (thus, no data was sent by the MMI3GP system over the internet).

    Next generation MIB MMI system, OTOH, behave differently with regard to mobile data access, so what you suggest may be a thing on these platforms. --g
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielHamilton View Post
    Hey DrGER,

    I've discovered this mod and am in the planning stages for doing it myself. One question: the custom MMI-to-USB cable is only necessary if you don't want to run USB to the AMI port in the glovebox, correct? Do you see any reason one could not place the router somewhere convenient, stow the ethernet->usb adaptor somewhere behind the glovebox, and just have the USB to AMI adapter live in the glovebox, plugged in?

    Then the only "custom" wiring would be the fused 5V power source for the modem and the adapter for the antenna cable. Correct?
    Yes, you are correct. I tested this initially with an OE AMI/USB adapter cable. Given that the AMI port wiring goes to the J794 main unit directly and we never used the AMI port for connecting external devices, I thought it would be cleaner to fashion a USB cable direct to the main unit. If I did this again (unlikely), I would use a USB cable with an integrated two port hub: one port for the Ethernet adapter and the other for an extension cable to allow use of an external flash drive. The other cabling you mention is correct.

    Take a look at my custom script to implement MMI3GP "fair" mode, which fixes the connection to myAudi for online destination access: https://github.com/DrGER2/MMI3GP-LAN-Setup

    PS: I just saw your other post re your MMI3G High to Plus retrofit; in that case, you won't likely have a myAudi PIN associated with the VIN for access to on-line destinations saved in the myAudi app. --g
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrGER View Post
    More conspiracy theories.

    When 3G data was available and the integrated data modem was provisioned with a SIM, the PPP connection was only established on-demand for Google Earth, Google destination search, Audi connect services, and myAudi on-line destinations. For example, inspection of the myAudi on-line destination request transaction in the Java source code showed no evidence that car usage/location data was sent at any time. If one didn't use any of the MMI3GP services that required internet access, the PPP connection never started (thus, no data was sent by the MMI3GP system over the internet).

    Next generation MIB MMI system, OTOH, behave differently with regard to mobile data access, so what you suggest may be a thing on these platforms. --g
    Agreed, MIB data collection was very intensive but even on previous generation they were collecting data, and having significant conversations about how to increase the amount of data collected and improve the quality/usefulness of the data during 3G+ redesigns. It has been a very long time and I do not recall what was being collected nor when it was being sent but it was definitely going on and I had conversations with software engineers about this specifically. It is possible that they were not doing it in all markets due to concerns about the constant evolution of data retention regulations and whatnot at that time. Also consider that the earliest MMI 3G+ design activities started late 2006 and there were many variants and significant evolution over the 6 or so years they fitted cars with it.

    Never call car data collection a conspiracy theory, the amount of money that every OEM has made from data collection over the past 10 years is insane. Everyday people are just starting to realize how bad it is when they finally figure out that their car insurance rates skyrocketed because their car insurance company purchased their driving habits from another third party like LexisNexis and decided that they were driving too fast, or making to many "hard stops", or accelerating too hard, etc etc etc. It has been going on for well over a decade (some OEM's have been collecting and selling since the 2000's like GM with OnStar) and it just barely starts to hit the news in the past year or so. Maybe people don't care that much because they are already giving these third party data brokers all that data and more with all of the apps they install on their dumbohones... I don't know... The world resembles that movie "Idiocracy" more and more everyday!

    All of the OEM's claim the data is "anonymized" and that is complete BS. For anything made in the late 2010's the data always includes some level of GPS location data. How many people park at your house every night and drive to your place of work regularly? Using other publicly available information allows the data to be connected to you despite it being "anonymized". Cars taking "diagnostic" pictures from the front facing cameras that are used for lane guidance and sending them home... Lol. Garage nudists beware xD

    Anyway, I've been doing "stealth" deletes on infotainment connectivity for people for quite some time now. There seems to be no limit to the number of people who aren't comfortable with some corporation selling their location, driving habits, connected device information, music listening habits, etc to literally anyone who will pay for it.

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