Evan's Q7 Evo Build Thread

[flyfishing]

I made a noticeable difference, the door slam is so satisfying, even better than the Q7s with Kilmat added.


Yes, Thule Aeroblades. I'm a fan of the blade/bar design (I run old Yakima Whispbars on my BMWs w/ raised rails) but the mounting feet seem unnecessarily bulky and the bars sit too high. I just looked up the specs on the Wingbar Evos and the bars sit 2" lower than the Aeroblades, if they are also noticeably quieter than that's a compelling option. Personally I'm not a fan of the bars protruding past the feet, although I understand the function, but I can look past that for their lower height and wind noise.

I prefer the aero blade look too, but I’ve gotten used to new ones. They look more sporty now that I’ve had them. The reduction in noise is probably 5x to my ears. Maybe you can find a set used? I got lucky and got a full set for 500 vs like $750 new.


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[ucsbwsr]

I prefer the aero blade look too, but I’ve gotten used to new ones. They look more sporty now that I’ve had them. The reduction in noise is probably 5x to my ears. Maybe you can find a set used? I got lucky and got a full set for 500 vs like $750 new.

Well, with you having owned both options and used them on the same vehicle that is some convincing feedback, enough so that I'll try to find a set. Used is the way to go.

[ucsbwsr]

After spending a month in California we were greeted by 12" of snow in the first 4 days back in Colorado. I took advantage of the snow days to complete some post-road trip maintenance, install some performance goodies, and research some future cooling and lighting upgrades. The Q7 saw 3,000 miles of use during October. 2,400 was the road trip from CA-CO and back and with the Q loaded up with cargo + a roof box and bike bikes hanging off the back there were multiple times while climbing grades that I saw >250F oil temps. I did data log anything so no juicy data but I did notice the engine pulling power/timing when it was hot. I can assume IATs were quite high at times. No shocker there since I was running a dual pulley setup with stock cooling but this was a good nudge for me to research upgraded heat exchangers for the supercharger. I performed an oil change and sent a sample off to Blackstone for analysis so I can see if there are any signs of oil breaking down from the high temps I observed.

- 3,000 oil change and anlysis
- Install 034 Motorsport SC clutch delete
- Flash 034 ECU and TCU software
- Explore cooling upgrades
- Explore lighting upgrades

The weather started in CA and we essentially drove through rain/sleet/snow the whole way home. McGuire's Ceramic car wash doing it's job.


I love the stealth hitch, especially when it's not being used but the hitch receiver does sit pretty low so it can make for some close calls like this.


Removing factory SC clutch. I had a spare clutch so I did this before removing the blower.


Clutch out and snout cleaned up.




I pulled the front bumper off the get a better look at the cooling system so I could take some pictures and measurements.



Here is a better look at the coolers. Front to Back (Left to Right) we have the thinner black ac condenser up front, then the main heat exchanger for the supercharger, followed by the main engine radiator. As you can see there is some room to work with. The OEM heat exchanger (HX) is tall and wide but thin 28"x19"x1.1" Most of the aftermarket HXs are shorter and narrower but thicker, my measurements suggest I should be able to go from a 1" core to one ~2.5" thick with similar height and width.




AFAIK there is no aftermarket HX for the 4M Q7, maybe because the OEM HX on the Q7 is about 5x larger than what's found on the S4, A6, and A7. Merc Racing seems to be a top choice for it's size, price, and evolving features. Poking around I found a Mishimoto (MMRAD-HE-04) HX that looks like it would also be a great option. Here is how these options stack up in terms of cubic inches which I used a crude guide for cooling capacity.

OEM HX (main) 28x19x1.1 = 585
OEM HX (Aux) 10x7.5x1.1 = 82.5
Mishimoto 24.6x19.6x1.9 = 916
Merc High Cap 18x17x2 = 612*

*I've sent an email to Merc Racing and I am awaiting reply but their specs online say "24x18x2.4 excluding piping" which suggests these dimensions include the rather large end tanks and since my cu/in calculations are of the core itself I did my best to estimate until I get confirmation on actual core dimensions.

I know there are considerations like the quality of the core and overall design; single pass, dual pass, etc. but going strictly off these numbers it seems the Mishimoto HX would be the unit to focus on first as it would have the biggest impact on capacity. I have a Pierberg CWA-100 on the way from FCP euro so I'll have increased flow to support a larger HX. I might order the Mishi to tinker with and test fit, if it fits well enough then having some fitting welded on which better suit the Q7 application might be the way to go.

Here is a pic of the OEM HX (main)


Mishimoto


Merc Racing


Oil change, bleeding cooling system, and topping off washer fluid with a winter-ready solution.



Extractor pulled 6.2L, I filled with 6L and then did a test drive where I got the "add a quart of oil message" so I topped off with the last quart. Full at 7L. Extractor gets pretty much all the oil, maybe <.5L is left in there and some oil is consumed so everything checks out.



With the maintenance and the clutch delete installed it was time to flash the 034 ECU and TCU software. I have one test drive on it so far so I'll get some more experience under my belt before I make any observations.

[PRY4SNO]

Be interested to hear your thoughts on the upgraded tune. I believe Javad drives the same chassis, so there is a lot of seat time involved in these particular ECU and TCM software upgrades.

[19birel]

On other platforms APR tunes seem to be quite poorly when it comes to thermal management. I wondering if you start seeing lower oil temps under sustained high load situations now that you've switched to 034. Curious to hear your overall impressions of the tune though in terms of performance and drivability

The heat exchanger will make a big difference though for sure.

[Smokymance]

Whats your thoughts on the 034 lowering springs now that you have had some use on them.

[ucsbwsr]

Be interested to hear your thoughts on the upgraded tune. I believe Javad drives the same chassis, so there is a lot of seat time involved in these particular ECU and TCM software upgrades.

Yea, I'll share some thoughts after I get more seat time.

On other platforms APR tunes seem to be quite poorly when it comes to thermal management. I wondering if you start seeing lower oil temps under sustained high load situations now that you've switched to 034. Curious to hear your overall impressions of the tune though in terms of performance and drivability

The heat exchanger will make a big difference though for sure.

Unfortunately I didn't data log any info with the APR tune. I had VCDS but when I would drive my wife's Q7 it was never in high load situations like I experienced on my road trip. Just putting around town so it would of been hard to get useful data. Now that I have the 034 flashing/diagnostic app it should make datalogging much easier as I can just whip out my phone as opposed to being my big-ass laptop.

Whats your thoughts on the 034 lowering springs now that you have had some use on them.

I am happy with them. People say they "ride just like stock" and that's not the case, they are a little firmer than stock and with an unladen vehicle there is added harshness but it's not bad since the Q7 is so well insulated. I will say that considering the many tasks the springs have to do well; ride comfort, sporty handling, and cargo/load I think 034 did a nice job picking the spring rates.

Evan

[dropshadow]

With a little bit of experimentation, you can get the cross bars pretty low. Helps that the box is a Dynamic that sits low on the bars already.

[ucsbwsr]

The online specs say that Wingbar Evos sit about 2” lower than the aero blades (~5.5” vs 3.5” IIRC) which would be a nice reduction. My SkiGuard also sits low with recessed channels for the bars to sit in so -2” will be a nice setup.

Are you saying the Evos are adjustable and you can mount them even lower?

[dropshadow]

Are you saying the Evos are adjustable and you can mount them even lower?

No. I modified a set of feet to bring the bars down about 2" from where they would be out of the box.

Before:


After:

[ucsbwsr]

No. I modified a set of feet to bring the bars down about 2" from where they would be out of the box.

That looks so much better. I sent you a PM.

[ucsbwsr]

Q7 has been a smooth operator with the 034 engine and trans software. I've been through 2 tanks of fuel so far, one 91 oct and the other ethanol. Since flashing the E85 file I haven't really had a chance to drive it hard as the family has been in the car so I can't comment on the power/performance but I can comment about fuel economy. The Q was mostly used to put around town running errands with limited highway use, essentially how it lives unless it is on a road trip or I am doing some "testing" and driving hard. My local pump E85 here in Colorado yields just under E70 actual ethanol content. I can confirm content as I run full ethanol in my BMW E61 which has an ethanol sensor.

On the first tank filled with E85 the Q7 returned 16.3 mpg
The lifetime fuel economy for the Q7 is 16.7 mpg

With fuel economy essentially a wash there is no reason not to run ethanol. More power, cooler combustion, less expensive, and renewable. Around me ethanol is ~$1/gal cheaper


Goodies: Oil Change Kit, Wipers, rear hatch struts, Pierberg CWA-100 pump w/ adapting pigtail, and OEM Cooling Fill Tool.


That's a nice lookin' TOOL!



I snagged a set of Bentley Bentayga wheels thinking they were 5x112 and welp, they're not! They are 5x130. I'm an idiot. lol. Too bad as I was looking forward to seeing them on the Q7, I'm a sucker for concave OEM 5 spoke wheels. These are forged and have some nice details in them.




Swapping the 1320 for a 1310 supercharger belt, should of done this a long time ago.


I was noticing some rubber squeaking around the doors. Initially I thought it was the weather striping between the door and body but it turns out it was the window and it's seal. One way to test is to crack the windows a tiny bit and see if that stops the noise, if yes then it's the window seal. If no, then it's likely door seal.
I cleaned the window seals then applied some silicone lubricant.



Tinkering with the base bars to achieve a lower bar position and a tidier cargo box fitment! Thanks to dropshadow for the information and inspiration. Here is a mock up.

[JLAllroad]

At 16.7mpg on pump your mileage appears quite low, our total on the DIS at 147K is 22.9mpg, granted bone stock (except for RS6 22's), and we don't tow or run a roof box. We will see just under 30mpg on our longer trips, if we keep it below 80mph.

[Smokymance]

On the first tank filled with E85 the Q7 returned 16.3 mpg
The lifetime fuel economy for the Q7 is 16.7 mpg

Great info on the delta between E85 and the Gas tune. Been pondering the idea to switch over to E85 and this gives me courage that MPG might not be as bad on E, especially with city driving. We are ~17.8mpg city driving now on 93 gas on the 034 Stage II tune.

[dropshadow]

Tinkering with the base bars to achieve a lower bar position and a tidier cargo box fitment! Thanks to dropshadow for the information and inspiration. Here is a mock up.

Looking good, keep me posted. I'm also curious to hear your impressions of the 034 tunes, especially the TCU tune.

[ucsbwsr]

At 16.7mpg on pump your mileage appears quite low, our total on the DIS at 147K is 22.9mpg, granted bone stock (except for RS6 22's), and we don't tow or run a roof box. We will see just under 30mpg on our longer trips, if we keep it below 80mph.

Yea, it does seem low but with a blown engine on a 5,000lb SUV I figure it is what it is. The Q7 sees 90% urban driving and when it's on the highway it's usually loaded up with bikes/cargo box and/or driving at higher speeds at elevation. I'm confident it could return close to 30mpg if driven at slower highway speeds on flat terrain but it doesn't.

[ucsbwsr]

Another CO-CA trip and 3,000 miles under the belt puts the Q7 at 110,000 total. This time the wife flew with the baby and I drove the dog! This allowed me to take the more scenic and much more remote route via i70 and Highway 50. No cargo box and no bike rack (bike was inside) so smooth sailing with much less aero drag and wind noise.

My summer tires were shot and as it turns out there was a large nail stuck in my right front tire and I actually drove with this puncture on my last CO-CA road trip, which explains the vibration I had above 80mph and the slight pull to the right even though I just had an alignment done. These issues were resolved with new-to-me tires. I went with some Vrederstein WinTrac Pros. I got a set of used tires w/ 9.5 32nds for $700.

E85
The Q was on E85 before starting the roadtrip and I was able to fill up with ethanol two times in Colorado when heading West, once in Frisco and once in Rifle. West of Rifle, CO there was no ethanol until Sacramento so the Utah, Nevada, and into CA I ran pump 91. Flashing between files takes ~6 minutes so it's fairly convenient to do when refueling and cleaning the windshield. It's not an apples-apples comparison between 91 and E85 when looking at the fuel economy as I was running E85 in the mountains and then on Highway 50 in Utah/Nevada I was doing 90-100+mph however, once again, the difference in fuel economy is negligible. Ethanol returning better than expected economy and 91 not delivering that great of economy. Ethanol was $1 to $1.50 cheaper/gallon in CO and CA. I made sure to drain the 91 and fill up with E85 in CA so I could feel the power at sea level. Noticeably peppier with a much more favorable DA, no surprise there.

I grabbed my Dragy from my wagon to charge it in anticipation to collect some performance data on the Q7. Somehow I misplaced it but it's around, somewhere, so when I find it I'll try to get some 0-60 and 1/4 miles times on the corn.

Cooling and IATs
I've had some cooling related error codes that pop up occasionally, one stating that the mechanical coolant pump has failed and the other is related to the car thinking the coolant reservoir is drained and the car is overheating. There is a sensor in the bottom of the reservoir which can become damaged from coolant. The sensor is integrated into the reservoir so the entire unit needs to be replaced. Coolant level is fine and both coolant and oil temps are normal. Coolant pump was also replaced when I did my massive maintenance overhaul. Since I'm now running 034 software which features a handy app I was able to monitor IATs on my road trip and they were HOT when the Q7 was climbing mountains and doing sustained triple digit speeds. They got up to 118C which is way way too hot. This was with ambient temps in the cool 19F-50F range too. This new found data spurred me to resolve these error codes so I have a new coolant reservoir and a new vacuum solenoid "secondary air pump switch" on the way from FCP Euro. I will also install my CWA-100 coolant pump and I am hoping this refresh of the cooling system puts us in a good spot. If high IATs continue I will look into retrofitting a larger heat exchanger.

On the road trip I also noticed the front driver tweeter is completely dead. I'm not sure how long it's been dead but this is one of those things you notice when you're on a 16 hour road trip.

I really enjoyed road tripping in the Q7. It's remarkable how very little fatigue I experienced considering I essentially sat in the vehicle for 13 hours straight and drove 36 hours over 4 days.

Onto the pics!

Pit stop in Glenwood Canyon for the dog



Oli has a massive dog bed to lay on and yet he decides to burrow under the bed and underneath my bike. Aussies are suspect.


Pit stop in Utah


Cruising Highway 50


Pulling A pillar off to confirm the tweeter was in fact plugged in before ordering a replacement. If I ordered a replacement tweeter without checking there'd be a 100% probability the tweeter was functional and simply not plugged in. It's science.

3:45am start on the return CA-CO drive. Filling up with corn when I can.


52C was a fairly normal IAT when cruising at 80-90mph on flat ground. During sustained climbs they sky rocketed off the gauge.



Highway 50




Freezing fog in Grand Junction. "frickin lazer beams"


Beautiful Colorado



13.4 19.8 16.5 16.2 and 15.4 were on ethanol, the rest was 91.


Q7 getting an undercarriage, interior, and exterior clean. Dog on the inside and winter weather on the outside made for a dirty vehicle.

[JLAllroad]

The 3.0t has long since been known as a heat magnet that loves to pull timing stock, hence why adding octane or even better, octane and cooling via E85 is such a powerful performance booster.

Now adding pulleys increases heat at lower rpms than would be normal, and even though the 4m has a larger cooling capacity our altitude will greatly reduce the cooling efficiency due to lack of air density over the heat exchangers.

[JLAllroad]

Did everything look ok below [emoji39]k altitude?

[ucsbwsr]

Did everything look ok below [emoji39]k altitude?

I wasn't monitoring temps too much when I was in CA a little above sea level but considering how quickly IATs would climb when ascending mountains at highway speeds, I assume even with a more favorable DA temps would creep up to unfavorable levels. Before the cooling upgrades/maintenance items are installed I'll try to collect some data logs with WOT pulls. There is a new road not too far from my house which will be good for testing this. It's ~1 mile long, straight and has a slight incline so I can do pulls up, make a u-turn at the top, and coast down to observe the IAT heating/cooling behavior.

[ucsbwsr]

Cooling system getting some love.

Installed
- New solenoid for the secondary air switch
- New expansion tank to replace integrated sensor
- CWA-100 (2) pump for intercooler/heat exchanger circuit

To Install (Retrofit)
- Mishimoto heat exchanger

The solenoid seems to have fixed my "coolant pump mechanical failure" error code but unfortunately the expansion tanks did NOT solve my P1B1C error code so I'll have to look for a solution elsewhere.

After the CWA-100 pump was installed I did get an error for the pumps voltage. Harness is pinned correctly and I can hear the pump run when activated via VCDS. Things seem to be working properly so I'm not sure what to think of it.




The vacuum manifold conveniently located on the top of the engine makes the solenoid swap a breeze and much easier than what the S4, A6, A7 owners have to deal with.


Wheel liner off


I decided to weight the wheel with the new Vredestein Wintrac Pro tire on. This is a 285/40/22 just like the Hankook Evo 3 SUV tire which was on previously but it is 7lb lighter per tire. Nice


In with the new CWA-100


Old tank out, new one in.



I picked up a Mishimoto heat exchanger to retrofit. I can't take credit for tracking down the unit as someone on the forums or FB suggested it as a potential upgrade option. To my knowledge no one has retrofitted it yet. My measurements and research suggests this should fit with some adaptation. Not sure when I'll have time to explore this but at least I now have the heat exchanger.





Nice flat lighting so I snapped a look-back pic



In other news I'm looking to pick up a used SQ7 in the Spring. My beloved diesel E70 X5 is too small for car-seat duties so it will be sold and an SQ7 will take it's place. I am familiar with the 4M chassis but never experienced the 4.0TT engine nor have I played around with the updated dual-screen MMI system so I wanted to experience both. I also made sure to track down an SQ7 which had the Sport package as the adaptive sways and torque vectoring rear diff are some of the secret sauce electro-mechanical systems the RSQ8, Cayenne Turbo, and Urus use. SQs are rare and ones with Sport package are even rarer so I had to test drive a 2025 as it was the only vehicle local with the Sport package. The test drive went well, my assumptions of the SQ7 were confirmed, and now I've started to hunt for the right used SQ7. Looking for a fully loaded one, minus night vision, in white, grey, red, or blue.


What are the chances, right when I start seriously looking for an SQ7 there is this one available in an EPIC spec. Fully loaded with Audi Exclusive Nardo Grey. It's well beyond my budget I set for myself but boy is it tempting...

[19birel]

An SQ7 will be a nice addition to the stable although I'm sure you'll miss that diesel fuel economy haha

Towards the end of my days selling cars I had a client trade one in with an APR tune and it moved really well, it made the client's new X5 M feel slightly less than impressive in a straight line by comparison.

[tdietro]

Not sure how much above your budget that Nardo SQ7 is, but if it ticks *all* your boxes, then my advice would be find way to make it work. The chances of finding something later that has the same specs is not great. You don't want to settle for something less and wish you had jumped on this one.

FTR, that Nardo and red interior is gorgeous!

Lastly, when you get one, you will find yourself going out in the morning and firing it up just to savor the cold start.

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[ucsbwsr]

An SQ7 will be a nice addition to the stable although I'm sure you'll miss that diesel fuel economy haha

Towards the end of my days selling cars I had a client trade one in with an APR tune and it moved really well, it made the client's new X5 M feel slightly less than impressive in a straight line by comparison.

Yes, diesel economy and torque will be missed. The X5 makes around 400whp 600wtq and it's best economy was 35.5mpg driving 600+miles from Flagstaff, AZ to Denver, CO. There is a thought of B57 swapping an X7 to make an X7 40D which isn't sold on US soil. We have X7s, we have B57 engines in G90 5 series so I would just need to order the OEM parts from overseas; turbos, wiring harness, cooling system, etc. and in theory it should be a straight forward swap since everything is OEM, we'll see. Diesels suit an SUV like the X7 so well and as a family/road trip vehicle its nice having 800miles of range.

The SQ7 is a real interesting option as a do everything, split personality, vehicle. Since their engine is derated from the factory (500hp vs 591hp) a tune REALLY wakes them up, you can get +200whp and +200twq with just a tune and some ethanol. 700whp 700wtq is crazy power in an SUV but with the weight of the SQ7 + Quattro it puts the power down so you can actually use it. I would do some other basic mods like TCU tune, intercoolers, intake, exhaust, and a set of those lovely 22" RS6 Performance forged wheels. The parts aren't cheap but considering the level of performance you can achieve with a few bolt-ons is shocking. Not to mention the fact the engine, trans, drivetrain, and chassis can handle that performance and do so reliably is epic. I also love SQ7 is a sleeper, even myself who is an avid car-identifier can have a hard time distinguishing an SQ7 from a normal Q7 on the road. Nothing to see here, just a cookie cutter looking SUV that runs 0-60 under 3 seconds and a 10 second 1/4 mile.

[ucsbwsr]

Not sure how much above your budget that Nardo SQ7 is, but if it ticks *all* your boxes, then my advice would be find way to make it work. The chances of finding something later that has the same specs is not great. You don't want to settle for something less and wish you had jumped on this one.

FTR, that Nardo and red interior is gorgeous!

Lastly, when you get one, you will find yourself going out in the morning and firing it up just to savor the cold start.

It's about 50% more than I was thinking to spend, so quite a bit more but it's also low mileage w/ 9k and I was focusing more on SQ7s in the $50k-$60k range w/ 30,000-50,000 miles. Nardo Grey and British Racing Green were some colors I would consider wrapping an SQ7 so I do see the value in Nardo and I do think that it is an exclusive paint color that will hold value better than others and help resale value a bit.

Unfortunately, the timing probably won't work out as I need to sell my X5 and my E39 Touring to free up some capital and a very valuable parking space in the garage.

[JLAllroad]

I wish I could get on board with BMWs, because you’re exactly the type of owner I would want to purchase from.

[19birel]

Yes, diesel economy and torque will be missed. The X5 makes around 400whp 600wtq and it's best economy was 35.5mpg driving 600+miles from Flagstaff, AZ to Denver, CO. There is a thought of B57 swapping an X7 to make an X7 40D which isn't sold on US soil. We have X7s, we have B57 engines in G90 5 series so I would just need to order the OEM parts from overseas; turbos, wiring harness, cooling system, etc. and in theory it should be a straight forward swap since everything is OEM, we'll see. Diesels suit an SUV like the X7 so well and as a family/road trip vehicle its nice having 800miles of range.

The SQ7 is a real interesting option as a do everything, split personality, vehicle. Since their engine is derated from the factory (500hp vs 591hp) a tune REALLY wakes them up, you can get +200whp and +200twq with just a tune and some ethanol. 700whp 700wtq is crazy power in an SUV but with the weight of the SQ7 + Quattro it puts the power down so you can actually use it. I would do some other basic mods like TCU tune, intercoolers, intake, exhaust, and a set of those lovely 22" RS6 Performance forged wheels. The parts aren't cheap but considering the level of performance you can achieve with a few bolt-ons is shocking. Not to mention the fact the engine, trans, drivetrain, and chassis can handle that performance and do so reliably is epic. I also love SQ7 is a sleeper, even myself who is an avid car-identifier can have a hard time distinguishing an SQ7 from a normal Q7 on the road. Nothing to see here, just a cookie cutter looking SUV that runs 0-60 under 3 seconds and a 10 second 1/4 mile.

B57 swapping an X7 would be rad, though I can't imagine finding the engine stateside would be easy given how rare G30 540ds are. Would love to see it though, a diesel SUV with that sort of range is an enticing idea.

As you said though, the SQ7 might be the ultimate sleeper SUV. The idea of a family hauler that can some seriously fast sports cars shake in their boots is an enticing proposition. They also seem like a great value on the used market when compared to other VAG cars with that drivetrain like RS6, Cayenne Turbo, Urus etc.

[ucsbwsr]

I wish I could get on board with BMWs, because you’re exactly the type of owner I would want to purchase from.

Yea, BMW is heading in a weird direction with their vehicles and like with most automakers, they don't make them like they used to. They have produced some epic engines and excellent vehicles. Most people think about their M engines but the M57 diesel which I have in my E70 X5 and which is also found in the E90 335D is one mighty engine. A small 3.0L inline 6 with twin compound turbos. The engine is an aluminum block and weighs roughly the same as BMWs gas powered turbo charged engines of that era. They are also strong as snot and people are pushing 800+whp and 1,000+wtq out of the stock block. Not to mention they are reliable with some key maintenance addressed and in the case of my X5, I was able to get 35mpg over 600+miles driving through the Rockies during winter. Hard to beat the power, efficiency, and reliability. Too bad Americans hate diesels.

As you said though, the SQ7 might be the ultimate sleeper SUV. The idea of a family hauler that can some seriously fast sports cars shake in their boots is an enticing proposition. They also seem like a great value on the used market when compared to other VAG cars with that drivetrain like RS6, Cayenne Turbo, Urus etc.

Hard to think of a sleepier sleeper. All the SUVs which are faster are smaller and most are on the MLB Evo 4.0T platform. The other SUVs which are larger are massive boats that can't boogie like an SQ7. X7 M50/60 is the closest competitor but when pushed and/or tuned it can't keep up in straight line speed or grip. Add in the benign Honda Accord-esque exterior styling and it's a solidified sleeper.

[Poopcorn]

Question here: How did you put the car on 4 stands? Where did you jack up the car?

I am trying to replace my rotors now. Thinking doing all 4 corners together. But I couldn't figure out where else to jack up the car except the manufacture jack point under rocker...
Appreciated the help.

[ucsbwsr]

Question here: How did you put the car on 4 stands? Where did you jack up the car?

I am trying to replace my rotors now. Thinking doing all 4 corners together. But I couldn't figure out where else to jack up the car except the manufacture jack point under rocker...
Appreciated the help.

Jack up the front where the rear of the front subframe bolts to the unibody. Jack up the rear where the 2 braces meet and bolt to the unibody.

[FLAudiWagen]

Question for thread followers:

Was anyone able to download the service manual from the link that Evan has provided and access the info ? I have successfully downloaded the file but cant get past the disclaimer page where you have to acknowledge that you have read the disclaimer.