Quote Originally Posted by superman_006 View Post
I have been looking at several EVs. I'm not sure that I can grasp that the Audi's Q5 plug in hybrid would be actually worse when I am calculating the cost myself.

Numbers from AUDI
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Q5 2.0L = 24mpg
Q5 2.0Le (PHEV) = 26mpg (combined cycle) and 119MPGe (in local trips--- whatever that means)... This model weights 453 lbs more?

Battery size 14.1kWh (20 miles) ... equal to 0.833 gallons of gas.



My local numbers
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Price per kWh in my state (15.2 cents).
Cost to fill battery up = $2.14
Cost of 1 gallon of gas (mid-grade)= $2.69
Cost of 0.8333 gallons of gas (14.1kWh equivalent)= $2.24
Cost per mile on battery = $0.112
Cost per mile on gas (q5)= $0.1121

No WAY is $0.001 savings for the first 20 miles for haul around 453 more pounds all the time is a good idea!! How can they advertise this as great MPG and this great green vehicle for $9,000 USD more????



The model X combined 105 MPGe..... Then numbers from Tesla
Battery= 100 kWh
Fill battery up cost $15.20 (worth 5.65 gallons of gas)
Battery range= 360 miles
Cost per mile $0.0422

Miles per gallon of gas equivalent.. 360 miles on 5.65 gallons = 63.7 MPGe



I also found that the EPA in the US has came up with the number 33.7kWh= 1 gallon of gas meaning just less than 8 cents per kWh which is 2 cents lower per kWh than anyone in the US.

Per the EPA's tesla MPG . Fill battery = $7.98 (worth 3.07 gallons)... 300 miles on that = 107 MPGe
Per the EPA's Audi 55e . Fill battery = $1.13 (worth 0.42 gallons).. 20 miles on that = 47 MPGe

How can Audi be that far behind tesla and WTF is wrong with the EPA's calculators????
To be honest, a lot of the numbers from Tesla are also inflated. In a recent range test in real vs on paper, Tesla dropped a significant amount from real world vs on EPA. This is a quick look at a few examples: https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/ele...s-edmunds.html

The largest +/- was Porsche Taycan 4S with +59.3% and Tesla Model 3 Performance at -17.4%.