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    I left the B7 world (7) years ago with an APR stage 2+ car..... but not sure how you current B7 guys are not just taking the $4-7k and putting it towards an actual sports car meant to handle the power.

    Go buy a B8 S4 or and MKVI Golf R with an APR stage 1 tune, (Stage 2 for the golf R) and it will beat anything you try to do to your 2.0t B7........

    My Downpiped Stage 2+ Golf R was beating my local friends with $15k motor build/turbo upgrades on their B7..... It's just not worth it. (Hence why I own a 450hp SQ5 and a 450hp Mercedes now) it doesn't take anything more than 2 mods to get there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vdubjetta02 View Post
    I left the B7 world (7) years ago with an APR stage 2+ car..... but not sure how you current B7 guys are not just taking the $4-7k and putting it towards an actual sports car meant to handle the power.

    Go buy a B8 S4 or and MKVI Golf R with an APR stage 1 tune, (Stage 2 for the golf R) and it will beat anything you try to do to your 2.0t B7........

    My Downpiped Stage 2+ Golf R was beating my local friends with $15k motor build/turbo upgrades on their B7..... It's just not worth it. (Hence why I own a 450hp SQ5 and a 450hp Mercedes now) it doesn't take anything more than 2 mods to get there.
    That’s my plan for 2021. Just gotta find the right S4 or S5.

    If my car wasn’t an Avant I wouldn’t have put the money I have into it. If there were S4 Avants in the US I would already have one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vdubjetta02 View Post
    I left the B7 world (7) years ago with an APR stage 2+ car..... but not sure how you current B7 guys are not just taking the $4-7k and putting it towards an actual sports car meant to handle the power.

    Go buy a B8 S4 or and MKVI Golf R with an APR stage 1 tune, (Stage 2 for the golf R) and it will beat anything you try to do to your 2.0t B7........

    My Downpiped Stage 2+ Golf R was beating my local friends with $15k motor build/turbo upgrades on their B7..... It's just not worth it. (Hence why I own a 450hp SQ5 and a 450hp Mercedes now) it doesn't take anything more than 2 mods to get there.

    We like this specific car and looking to maximize the fun. how much did you spend on your 900hp?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvolutionArmory View Post
    That’s my plan for 2021. Just gotta find the right S4 or S5.

    If my car wasn’t an Avant I wouldn’t have put the money I have into it. If there were S4 Avants in the US I would already have one.


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    I just sold my B8 Avant APR stage 2.... So I understand the attachment to an avant.

    Quote Originally Posted by megarex View Post
    We like this specific car and looking to maximize the fun. how much did you spend on your 900hp?
    A hell of a lot less than you Think... My Mercedes Sticker price was $68k and I bought for $34k with 15,000 miles on it..... My SQ5 I bought 1.5 years ago for $28k.

    Sold most of my cars (3) years ago.... My Golf R, My Porsche 911, My SRT8 Jeep for $23k each, my Infiniti G37 for $14k, My APR b8 Avant for $19k.... obviously the Golf R was the fastest car to 60MPH... but my mercedes would take any of my cars from 60 MPH on... Point is. The $3-4k you are trying to put into a B7 A4 makes a decent downpayment on a car that only needs a stage 1 tune. (I am on my 19th Modified car in 10 years).... I have dabbled in this "Car game" in almost every aspect. Just saying [;)]
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    Quote Originally Posted by vdubjetta02 View Post
    I just sold my B8 Avant APR stage 2.... So I understand the attachment to an avant.



    A hell of a lot less than you Think... My Mercedes Sticker price was $68k and I bought for $34k with 15,000 miles on it..... My SQ5 I bought 1.5 years ago for $28k.

    Sold most of my cars (3) years ago.... My Golf R, My Porsche 911, My SRT8 Jeep for $23k each, my Infiniti G37 for $14k, My APR b8 Avant for $19k.... obviously the Golf R was the fastest car to 60MPH... but my mercedes would take any of my cars from 60 MPH on... Point is. The $3-4k you are trying to put into a B7 A4 makes a decent downpayment on a car that only needs a stage 1 tune. (I am on my 19th Modified car in 10 years).... I have dabbled in this "Car game" in almost every aspect. Just saying [;)]
    my question was rhetorical. Point is. if it's fun and you enjoy it, the economics do not matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by oVeRdOsE View Post
    this.

    imo almost nothing worth it on a B7 except a 'tune-in-a-can' without hardware , like uni stage 1+.

    I saw 3.0t high mileage low as 600$ cad. A in shape 3.0t is around 3000$ cad. You need to source few part of a 3.2 if you're 2.0t, those are pretty cheap in a junk yard. Most expensive stuff is the B8 wiring and knowledge, its 10h+ man hours that most people will need to pay .


    This is why im leaning on my BMW 328 E91 swap instead of a 3.0t in my b7. finding a complete N54 swap is very cheap, most people are afraid of N54, but most issue can be fixed in a day and this engine wont let you down. Also the block can hold a solid 700bhp, and stock turbizz around 500bhp. Tune and coding are also dirt cheap if not free. xdrive system can be toggled rwd/awd. Bonus, with a proper exhaust, this N54 sounds 2jz-ish

    do the straight six!
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    Not starting an argument here, strictly trying to help with advice...

    Take the $3-4k a turbo kit will cost, put it towards a $13-14k B8 S4, and you will have a 450hp (500hp car if you go ultracharger) car that is meant to handle that power. You will get better brakes, better suspension, better seats, better interior, better performance..... That is all I was trying to get to with my point. I hate watching my friends start modding a car with a platform that you are probably only damaging/maintenance costs will grow, when you could spend a tiny bit more and start with a better platform. But some people just fall in love with their particular car and they want to stay with what they have. I understand that as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vdubjetta02 View Post
    Not starting an argument here, strictly trying to help with advice...

    Take the $3-4k a turbo kit will cost, put it towards a $13-14k B8 S4, and you will have a 450hp (500hp car if you go ultracharger) car that is meant to handle that power. You will get better brakes, better suspension, better seats, better interior, better performance..... That is all I was trying to get to with my point. I hate watching my friends start modding a car with a platform that you are probably only damaging/maintenance costs will grow, when you could spend a tiny bit more and start with a better platform. But some people just fall in love with their particular car and they want to stay with what they have. I understand that as well.
    Its about what your goal is. I enjoy building cars, the journey is half the fun. If you just want to go fast, you have a point that having the right platform is important. At the same time I have taken cars that ran a 18 second 1/4 and gotten them to 13.99 at 99 mph with a few bucks and it was still very drivable. At the track I was pretty happy and even took some ribbing that I was that happy with a 14 second car. My other car was an 11 second monster, I still had more fun with the beater.

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    I agree.

    I think a lot of us enjoy (or maybe not enjoy per say, but it’s more of an addiction) the project aspect. My last car was fast stock. I still modified it. I think if I had a Ferrari with 700 hp I’d still try to make it faster.

    Another aspect is running costs. At least here where I am yearly tax is based on the hp and emissions ratings on the stock vehicle. An S4 is probably twice the tax and insurance of the A4. My 220 hp factory tune A4 was already more expensive than the regular 200 hp option. Fuel here is 6-9 dollars a gallon (haven’t checked conversion in a while so no exact number). AFAIK a supercharged car wants more fuel than a turbocharged car...

    A lot of people dread them, but I wouldn’t mind buying someone’s project car as starting point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AudiB720TS View Post
    I agree.

    I think a lot of us enjoy (or maybe not enjoy per say, but it’s more of an addiction) the project aspect. My last car was fast stock. I still modified it. I think if I had a Ferrari with 700 hp I’d still try to make it faster.

    Another aspect is running costs. At least here where I am yearly tax is based on the hp and emissions ratings on the stock vehicle. An S4 is probably twice the tax and insurance of the A4. My 220 hp factory tune A4 was already more expensive than the regular 200 hp option. Fuel here is 6-9 dollars a gallon (haven’t checked conversion in a while so no exact number). AFAIK a supercharged car wants more fuel than a turbocharged car...

    A lot of people dread them, but I wouldn’t mind buying someone’s project car as starting point.
    My modified A4 Avant to my SQ5 was a $5 dollar increase in insurance.... so throw that out the window for me... You clearly pay a LOT more money over seas for gas and insurance....

    Again, this was never an argument.... this is me after owning 19 different cars, just advice for newcomers in the B7 market to maybe not dump money into anything past a stage 2 car... Just saying. My Stage 2+ car was bought 10 years ago... so that was a different era. I bought my B7 when they were new-ish....

    Bottom Line... I regret 50% of my car modding decisions and I look back and enjoy 50% of my decisions..... I am over $100k out of pocket (IN MODS) at 33 years old for being a damn car enthusiast. I just want the younger members to know, maybe don't go extreme on this car, and put your money towards a car Meant for it in 2-3 years.... thats my advice as an old 33 year old with 19 modified cars.... I have some regrets and I will leave it at that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vdubjetta02 View Post
    My modified A4 Avant to my SQ5 was a $5 dollar increase in insurance.... so throw that out the window for me... You clearly pay a LOT more money over seas for gas and insurance....

    Again, this was never an argument.... this is me after owning 19 different cars, just advice for newcomers in the B7 market to maybe not dump money into anything past a stage 2 car... Just saying. My Stage 2+ car was bought 10 years ago... so that was a different era. I bought my B7 when they were new-ish....

    Bottom Line... I regret 50% of my car modding decisions and I look back and enjoy 50% of my decisions..... I am over $100k out of pocket (IN MODS) at 33 years old for being a damn car enthusiast. I just want the younger members to know, maybe don't go extreme on this car, and put your money towards a car Meant for it in 2-3 years.... thats my advice as an old 33 year old with 19 modified cars.... I have some regrets and I will leave it at that.
    imo changing cars and modding them dont go together. its a waste of money and you dont even have time to enjoy it.

    2 type of car owner :
    - not car enthusiast that change their base automatic elantra every 3-4 years because their are bored and they fear mechanics bill. (same shit for richer people but with BMWs and audi)
    - car enthusiast that choose a car they really enjoy, keep it 10 years and more and modding it to their taste.

    im almost 33, driver license since 17, and Ive owned 2 daily . Both got a fair amount of mods, and not getting rid of my actual dd anytime soon. Because I enjoy it so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vdubjetta02 View Post
    My modified A4 Avant to my SQ5 was a $5 dollar increase in insurance.... so throw that out the window for me... You clearly pay a LOT more money over seas for gas and insurance....

    Again, this was never an argument.... this is me after owning 19 different cars, just advice for newcomers in the B7 market to maybe not dump money into anything past a stage 2 car... Just saying. My Stage 2+ car was bought 10 years ago... so that was a different era. I bought my B7 when they were new-ish....

    Bottom Line... I regret 50% of my car modding decisions and I look back and enjoy 50% of my decisions..... I am over $100k out of pocket (IN MODS) at 33 years old for being a damn car enthusiast. I just want the younger members to know, maybe don't go extreme on this car, and put your money towards a car Meant for it in 2-3 years.... thats my advice as an old 33 year old with 19 modified cars.... I have some regrets and I will leave it at that.
    I completely agree with this approach as an 'old person' now (32 years old). Spending money on the car because you enjoy it is fine, but you also need to think big picture. What do I want out of the car? How much time/money is required to get X platform to do what I want it to do? With the end goal in mind, and the amount of time/money necessary to get there, is there a car better suited at or around the same time/money mark?

    Extreme example - turning the b7 into a track car vs. buying a miata. Makes much more sense every way you look to get the miata for track duty. Spend a few grand getting a miata and be on track this weekend, or spend 10k+ on the b7 and a lot of 'down time getting it ready'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vdubjetta02 View Post
    My modified A4 Avant to my SQ5 was a $5 dollar increase in insurance.... so throw that out the window for me... You clearly pay a LOT more money over seas for gas and insurance....

    Again, this was never an argument.... this is me after owning 19 different cars, just advice for newcomers in the B7 market to maybe not dump money into anything past a stage 2 car... Just saying. My Stage 2+ car was bought 10 years ago... so that was a different era. I bought my B7 when they were new-ish....

    Bottom Line... I regret 50% of my car modding decisions and I look back and enjoy 50% of my decisions..... I am over $100k out of pocket (IN MODS) at 33 years old for being a damn car enthusiast. I just want the younger members to know, maybe don't go extreme on this car, and put your money towards a car Meant for it in 2-3 years.... thats my advice as an old 33 year old with 19 modified cars.... I have some regrets and I will leave it at that.
    I haven't heard from you in awhile. Hope all is well man. I have gone back and forth so many times on why I sank the money in my b7 and if I should just sell it and move on or what not. I know for me I like the b7 lines better than the b8's. The newer cars are getting harder to work on from a home owner aspect. I might sound crazy, I like some of the builds on the newer cars, but I really enjoy the simple insides of the b7 and the outside curves. I wish the 2L was more stout, but when it goes I have been eyeing doing a motor swap so.

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    European dyno’s post crazy numbers all the time. I bet a lot of them would cry if they ran on an American Mustang dyno.

    It’s an estimate based off of an estimate and I don’t buy it for a minute.


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    Look at your own Loba dyno. You made good power at the tuner but as soon as you went to an independent dyno your numbers dropped.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EvolutionArmory View Post
    Look at your own Loba dyno. You made good power at the tuner but as soon as you went to an independent dyno your numbers dropped.


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    My tuner is on a Mustang dyno (...) wheel power figures provided. The later dyno was a wheel hub dyno, then it was back at the Mustang dyno with a drop in power there also.

    I’d like to see wheel figures for these UK plots also. But you can take away a good percentage for whatever magic you assume they add, and that’s still a lot of power from a K04 hybrid.

    The risk is, if you take this stance (“can’t be done”) then you miss out on progress. I’m convinced there are hybrids that outperform what’s been available in the US so far. I think I’ve bookmarked what might be the CHRA for what Venom uses, out of China. I’ll see if I can find it.

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    When you have these estimated crank figures you have no idea what they’re using for drivetrain loss to get there. If you have a “445 crank” car but they’re only using 15% drivetrain loss, that’s a big difference in power if the car is really losing 25%.

    If there was a hybrid K04 that can make crazy power on this platform, it would have been discovered a while ago. Sorry to tell you this but the housing and manifold just simply can’t support that amount of airflow.
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    Sorry for the dumb question, but are you comparing hybrid k04's(like f23l, k03 housings) and k04 hybrids(like a modified k04-064)? Sorry if I'm missing something here. But wouldn't an s3 with a hybrid upgrade be different than say a b7 with a hybrid k04??

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    The 8P S3 uses the same engine as us but with lower CR and the upgraded cams.

    Honestly, it would depend on the wheel used in the hybrid but 450 crank isn’t gonna happen with a K04 exhaust housing and manifold. You can throw the biggest wheel that can fit in there but it will still be choked by the exhaust housing AR and manifold. At that point you’re WAY better off running a bigger turbo.

    Hybrids are a joke. You’re getting the worst of both worlds. A wheel that is capable of flowing more air in a turbo housing and manifold that can’t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvolutionArmory View Post
    The 8P S3 uses the same engine as us but with lower CR and the upgraded cams.

    Honestly, it would depend on the wheel used in the hybrid but 450 crank isn’t gonna happen with a K04 exhaust housing and manifold. You can throw the biggest wheel that can fit in there but it will still be choked by the exhaust housing AR and manifold. At that point you’re WAY better off running a bigger turbo.

    Hybrids are a joke. You’re getting the worst of both worlds. A wheel that is capable of flowing more air in a turbo housing and manifold that can’t.
    My question was the difference in turbos. Like a typical hybrid(f23l) for our car. K03 housing, machined. But hybrids for s3's, being k04 housing(stock turbo), modified for more flow..thats how the s3 guys getting more power. Ya get what I'm saying??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayz691 View Post
    My question was the difference in turbos. Like a typical hybrid(f23l) for our car. K03 housing, machined. But hybrids for s3's, being k04 housing(stock turbo), modified for more flow..thats how the s3 guys getting more power. Ya get what I'm saying??

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    Yes. Look at the guys running Loba turbos in B7 and B8 cars. They aren’t doing anything ground breaking with bigger wheels in K04 housings.

    If you wanna get more power out of these small turbos you need E85 or meth. Timing, not boost or airflow is going to make more power.

    The hybrid game is kind of a joke. You should really just run a bigger turbo. What do you think the smarter move is? Max out a small turbo or run a bigger turbo with a more conservative tune?


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    Quote Originally Posted by EvolutionArmory View Post
    Yes. Look at the guys running Loba turbos in B7 and B8 cars. They aren’t doing anything ground breaking with bigger wheels in K04 housings.

    If you wanna get more power out of these small turbos you need E85 or meth. Timing, not boost or airflow is going to make more power.

    The hybrid game is kind of a joke. You should really just run a bigger turbo. What do you think the smarter move is? Max out a small turbo or run a bigger turbo with a more conservative tune?


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    Oh, totally agree, think its popular cuz of "ease of install".

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    https://rev9power.com/force-inductio...heel-62mm.html

    For those who want to spend $1000 for K04

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    Quote Originally Posted by canadianA4B7 View Post
    https://rev9power.com/force-inductio...heel-62mm.html

    For those who want to spend $1000 for K04
    For their GTI or A3 maybe


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    Yeah, why spend $1000 on a turbo ya need to modify?..spend a few $100 more, and bolt it on..

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    Look at what they use to connect the outlet. Use your brains gents it’s a $50 aluminum v band elbow or a 90 degree silicone coupling.

    As I said for $1000 you buy the same CTS turbo.

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    What is so complicated with adding a silicone coupler? 2 extra hose clamps too much work?

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    If you’re gonna buy a cheap EBAY brand turbo, there’s plenty that cost less that just drop in.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EvolutionArmory View Post
    If you’re gonna buy a cheap EBAY brand turbo, there’s plenty that cost less that just drop in.


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    CTS sources from the same cheap eBay places, so that's not saying much. you are running a china turbo too for double the $$
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    Anyone running the new design CTS K04?

    Quote Originally Posted by megarex View Post
    CTS sources from the same cheap eBay places, so that's not saying much. you are running a china turbo too for double the $$
    And everyone said JHM was just running 400 dollar turbos with black housings marked up to 1600 which isn’t true either. 🤣

    Where do you guys come up with this shit?

    I mean, CTS sources their own housings, not from some China sweat shop that sells parts to every junk turbo builder who sells on eBay. Their logo is cast right into the housing itself. Not exactly cheap to make a casting mold and proves that the housings aren’t just bought from a supplier that sells to everyone.

    You might “think” that all these turbos are the same but thinking isn’t knowing. 🤣

    So tell me, if CTS is just buying eBay junk, who is their supplier? You must know who if you’re prepared to say how they conduct business as a fact, right?

    The truth is that you have no idea where they get their parts. Neither do I. I do know for a fact that their compressor housing isn’t the same housing on every turbo out there though
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvolutionArmory View Post
    And everyone said JHM was just running 400 dollar turbos with black housings marked up to 1600 which isn’t true either. 🤣

    Where do you guys come up with this shit?

    I mean, CTS sources their own housings, not from some China sweat shop that sells parts to every junk turbo builder who sells on eBay. Their logo is cast right into the housing itself. Not exactly cheap to make a casting mold and proves that the housings aren’t just bought from a supplier that sells to everyone.

    You might “think” that all these turbos are the same but thinking isn’t knowing. 🤣

    So tell me, if CTS is just buying eBay junk, who is their supplier? You must know who if you’re prepared to say how they conduct business as a fact, right?

    The truth is that you have no idea where they get their parts. Neither do I. I do know for a fact that their compressor housing isn’t the same housing on every turbo out there though
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    19 Bo Xing Rd, Economic Technology Development Zone, Beijing, 100176

    No. 88, East Qingdao Road, Jiangsu Province, P.R., Taicang 215413

    Here when you become fluent in Chinese call the technical centre near either of these 2 locations and they’ll direct you to the production site for k series borg Warner turbos. While your on the phone you can request a business purchase setup up and order directly to the business you have for selling turbochargers. If you don’t have this maybe I can tell you a few things about kseries turbos and the plants which produce them.....

    Wait I’ve been stating this for years. Wonder why.


    This was all I needed to set up my ordering account
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    Quote Originally Posted by canadianA4B7 View Post
    19 Bo Xing Rd, Economic Technology Development Zone, Beijing, 100176

    No. 88, East Qingdao Road, Jiangsu Province, P.R., Taicang 215413

    Here when you become fluent in Chinese call the technical centre near either of these 2 locations and they’ll direct you to the production site for k series borg Warner turbos. While your on the phone you can request a business purchase setup up and order directly to the business you have for selling turbochargers. If you don’t have this maybe I can tell you a few things about kseries turbos and the plants which produce them.....

    Wait I’ve been stating this for years. Wonder why.


    This was all I needed to set up my ordering account
    Now show me a document that says you are the owner of CTS Turbo. Like usual, what you just posted has nothing to do with what was asked. Honestly man, how does you trying to get into the garage built turbocharger game imply that CTS does the same? Please explain that to me.

    The guy said CTS sources the same parts as the cheap eBay turbos. Show proof. I’ll wait.

    I was able to show proof that at least the compressor housing isn’t just some ordered part from Alibaba. It costs thousands of dollars to make a complex casting mold for a large part so at least CTS is sourcing this part to their own spec. Where the part is made? I have no idea. But it is not the same compressor housing all the cheaper K04’s use simply because their logo is cast into the part.

    And that is just one part. When people make blanket statements with no proof it doesn’t do anyone any good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvolutionArmory View Post
    If you’re gonna buy a cheap EBAY brand turbo, there’s plenty that cost less that just drop in.
    I got the impression Canadian was just posting a helpful link for budget minded players - The fact is you do not know if your turbo is from the same eBay factory. There is zero transparency on CTS's supplier, in most cases, that means it's a cheaper source. It's not like they are BW letting you know exactly where and how it is being made with a little bit of pride.

    in regards to manufacturing, molds, costs, etc.. u will know from earning lots of experience. similar to this guy: https://youtu.be/Lpf67S2qH0I also one of the best YT channels.
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    Right, its a rev9 turbo, so can't really compare. Not gonna spend $1000, for a turbo that don't drop right in, when I can spend $300 and buy a CTS that bolts right up...but hey, we all have different ways of doing things I guess...

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    Not to mention CTS is a proven brand. With their original K04 and with their new CTS 1070 turbo. Who else in this section is getting the airflow I’m getting with the CTS 1070? I’m in the 280’s from 6K to redline.

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    Anyone running the new design CTS K04?

    I just admitted that I don’t know where the parts are made in my last post. The difference is I don’t just assume what they are and post it online as fact.

    The truth is you have no idea if what you said is even true yet you posted it as a fact. That doesn’t do anyone any good. Especially CTS Turbo.

    As far as my comment to Canadian goes, there’s plenty of drop in K04’s from China someone could use that aren’t for a transverse engine if they’re on a budget. There’s a whole thread about it in the B8 section. There’s no need to buy a transverse turbo and dick around with getting it to work. Most of them are even cheaper than the 1000 bucks in Canadian’s link.


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    Hi Everyone,

    I’m a new member and hoping to learn from you all. Be forewarned, I might ask a silly question here and there.

    This thread is very timely because I am looking to buy a K04 for my B8.5 A4 in the next couple of days. One of the options I am considering is the CTS TR 1070. I was communicating with CTS just yesterday about how far past the advertised 350bhp/340btq I can go since I have a CTS FMIC, 034 HFC, AWE quad exhaust, Fluidampr among other parts and I’m looking to pair the K04 with IE’s Stage 3 100 Octane tune.

    Their response was:

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    It is not recommended as it can lead to premature failure of the turbocharger.
    Thank you”

    So my question to anyone is, who’s running this turbo? And, is anyone similarly running it with addt’l performance parts (and water/meth, etc.)? Any issues with this turbo? Do you think CTS being too conservative? Thoughts?

    Thanks in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 72defender View Post
    Hi Everyone,

    I’m a new member and hoping to learn from you all. Be forewarned, I might ask a silly question here and there.

    This thread is very timely because I am looking to buy a K04 for my B8.5 A4 in the next couple of days. One of the options I am considering is the CTS TR 1070. I was communicating with CTS just yesterday about how far past the advertised 350bhp/340btq I can go since I have a CTS FMIC, 034 HFC, AWE quad exhaust, Fluidampr among other parts and I’m looking to pair the K04 with IE’s Stage 3 100 Octane tune.

    Their response was:

    “Hello,
    It is not recommended as it can lead to premature failure of the turbocharger.
    Thank you”

    So my question to anyone is, who’s running this turbo? And, is anyone similarly running it with addt’l performance parts (and water/meth, etc.)? Any issues with this turbo? Do you think CTS being too conservative? Thoughts?

    Thanks in advance!
    I think you should probably show us your actual question as posted to them, for sake of transparency. But beyond that my experience or impression from CTS is your talking to somebody with an admin job not having much actual technical know how. If you’re in the same timezone just call them up and ask to be connected to the person best suited to answer your question. Surely what you have is a “canned” answer from some call process diagram ;)

    Other than that: there is a B8 sub forum as well (in case you missed it).

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    Thanks, and apologies for not including the thread. Here is it:

    Hello,
    It is not recommended as it can lead to premature failure of the turbocharger.
    Thank you

    On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 1:31 PM Justice Dyer-Fletcher <[email protected]> wrote:
    Silly question:

    If I were to buy the TR-1070 instead, can I get away with pushing it a little past the than the advertised power? I’m going IE stage 3 (93 octane tune) which is 343bhp/363btq.

    Thanks!

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    On Mar 9, 2021, at 2:15 PM, [email protected] wrote:

    
    Thank you for your understanding. Hopefully we'll have good news for you then for your B8 boss kit

    Thanks Justice

    On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 9:46 AM Justice Dyer-Fletcher <[email protected]> wrote:
    Hi ,

    Thanks for the quick response.

    I have no problem reaching out in 3-4 weeks, just hoping it is as good as what I would have been able to get now.

    Regards,

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    On Mar 9, 2021, at 12:28 PM, [email protected] wrote:

    
    Unfortunately we are out of stock for 3-4 weeks at this time. If you want to reach out after that we can see about getting you a little discount

    On Tue., Mar. 9, 2021, 9:23 a.m. Justice Dyer-Fletcher, <[email protected]> wrote:
    Hi CTS,

    I am trying to take advantage of your No Tax sale and buy the Boss 500 K04 kit, however, it is not in stock.

    I do not want to miss the special pricing and wondering if this sale will be extended until the item is back in stock? Or, what do you suggest can be done?

    Sincerely,
    Richard

    - - - Updated - - -

    Thanks, and apologies for not including the thread. Here is it:

    Hello,
    It is not recommended as it can lead to premature failure of the turbocharger.
    Thank you

    On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 1:31 PM Justice Dyer-Fletcher <[email protected]> wrote:
    Silly question:

    If I were to buy the TR-1070 instead, can I get away with pushing it a little past the than the advertised power? I’m going IE stage 3 (93 octane tune) which is 343bhp/363btq.

    Thanks!

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Mar 9, 2021, at 2:15 PM, [email protected] wrote:

    
    Thank you for your understanding. Hopefully we'll have good news for you then for your B8 boss kit

    Thanks Justice

    On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 9:46 AM Justice Dyer-Fletcher <[email protected]> wrote:
    Hi ,

    Thanks for the quick response.

    I have no problem reaching out in 3-4 weeks, just hoping it is as good as what I would have been able to get now.

    Regards,

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Mar 9, 2021, at 12:28 PM, [email protected] wrote:

    
    Unfortunately we are out of stock for 3-4 weeks at this time. If you want to reach out after that we can see about getting you a little discount

    On Tue., Mar. 9, 2021, 9:23 a.m. Justice Dyer-Fletcher, <[email protected]> wrote:
    Hi CTS,

    I am trying to take advantage of your No Tax sale and buy the Boss 500 K04 kit, however, it is not in stock.

    I do not want to miss the special pricing and wondering if this sale will be extended until the item is back in stock? Or, what do you suggest can be done?

    Sincerely,
    Richard

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