Question about Dynamic Package

[mpo77]

Agreed. Audi has carved out a niche inside of a niche with the RS5. They never really managed to compete with M or AMG at the performance, driving dynamics and sheer driving fun level and are now kinda catering to customers that want a performance badge, but aren't necessarily cut out for the comprises that comes with it. They are doing ok with the Sportback, which I personally think suits the idea of the B9 RS5 much better. The coupe is not working so well for them, though. Sales numbers are abysmal.

Kind of a ridiculous statement. Let's be real. The vast majority of M4/C63/RS5 will never see a track so suffering with poor ride quality and rattling/vibrating interior surfaces seems pointless to me...especially at this price point. If this is your track/weekend toy and you have another car to daily drive, then that's different. I assume most here are using their RS5 as a daily (as I am).

[superswiss]

Kind of a ridiculous statement. Let's be real. The vast majority of M4/C63/RS5 will never see a track so suffering with poor ride quality and rattling/vibrating interior surfaces seems pointless to me...especially at this price point. If this is your track/weekend toy and you have another car to daily drive, then that's different. I assume most here are using their RS5 as a daily (as I am).

I see this argument being made regularly and it goes to the core issue I have with this argumentation. Let's be real, these are not track cars. All of them weigh around 4000 lbs. The M4 is the closest to a track car and significantly lighter, but these cars are primarily designed for the unlimited German Autobahn. Over there they get regularly driven at speeds in excess of 130 mph. The suspensions are the way they are to provide stability and confidence at those speeds and to keep you from flying off the road. I actually get a lot of my information from German sources (I speak fluent German), and many of the car magazines over there complained about the DRC, because it also doesn't work so well at high speeds on the Autobahn, so it kinda misses the point. These cars are GTs, all of them. Audi Sport doesn't have dibs on GTs. They are supposed to provide a certain balance between long distance and creature comfort, but also provide sports car like handling on a twisty road. Don't get me wrong, I'm all about balance, but I reject the notion that any of them are harsh. Firm yes, but not harsh and the firmness has a purpose. I don't expect a cushy ride, when I also expect handling prowess at the other end of the spectrum, but I don't always drive the car balls out, so there needs to be a certain rest comfort and there is on all of them.

My issue is that a lot of people who buy these cars end up driving them like an A5, C300 or 330. Total overkill for their use case. Nobody needs 400 or 500 HP to be stuck in stop&go traffic on the way to work every day of the week, and go get their groceries. What a waste if you rarely get to use the performance the car offers. These same people then turn around and complain to dealerships about from their perspective excessive NVH, and the brands respond by watering down their performance cars. It's happened to M, it's happened to RS and it's happening to AMG and it's frustrating for somebody like me who buys these cars for what they actually are and takes them to the canyons and even the track occasionally. It's also why European Delivery is such a great experience (was great in case of Audi). Lets one truly experience these cars for what they are designed for. Many experts claim that these cars wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for the German Autobahn, and they may go away if Germany ever decides to introduce a speed limit across the entire Autobahn, but with the advent of EVs, the whole fast driving culture is slowly disappearing anyway, because EVs are often restricted to how fast they can go, a consequence of their single gear transmission and the fact that the battery doesn't last very long at those speeds.

[RS5fvr]

I see this argument being made regularly and it goes to the core issue I have with this argumentation. Let's be real, these are not track cars. All of them weigh around 4000 lbs. The M4 is the closest to a track car and significantly lighter, but these cars are primarily designed for the unlimited German Autobahn. Over there they get regularly driven at speeds in excess of 130 mph. The suspensions are the way they are to provide stability and confidence at those speeds and to keep you from flying off the road. I actually get a lot of my information from German sources (I speak fluent German), and many of the car magazines over there complained about the DRC, because it also doesn't work so well at high speeds on the Autobahn, so it kinda misses the point. These cars are GTs, all of them. Audi Sport doesn't have dibs on GTs. They are supposed to provide a certain balance between long distance and creature comfort, but also provide sports car like handling on a twisty road. Don't get me wrong, I'm all about balance, but I reject the notion that any of them are harsh. Firm yes, but not harsh and the firmness has a purpose. I don't expect a cushy ride, when I also expect handling prowess at the other end of the spectrum, but I don't always drive the car balls out, so there needs to be a certain rest comfort and there is on all of them.

My issue is that a lot of people who buy these cars end up driving them like an A5, C300 or 330. Total overkill for their use case. Nobody needs 400 or 500 HP to be stuck in stop&go traffic on the way to work every day of the week, and go get their groceries. What a waste if you rarely get to use the performance the car offers. These same people then turn around and complain to dealerships about from their perspective excessive NVH, and the brands respond by watering down their performance cars. It's happened to M, it's happened to RS and it's happening to AMG and it's frustrating for somebody like me who buys these cars for what they actually are and takes them to the canyons and even the track occasionally. It's also why European Delivery is such a great experience (was great in case of Audi). Lets one truly experience these cars for what they are designed for. Many experts claim that these cars wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for the German Autobahn, and they may go away if Germany ever decides to introduce a speed limit across the entire Autobahn, but with the advent of EVs, the whole fast driving culture is slowly disappearing anyway, because EVs are often restricted to how fast they can go, a consequence of their single gear transmission and the fact that the battery doesn't last very long at those speeds.

You come off as arrogant. You are not the only automotive enthusiast on this forum. You don't even need 50 hp to be stuck in stop and go traffic just the same way you don't need 500 hp on a track to have serious fun. I'm happy that you speak german like a number of others on this board I'm sure. Really.. I am. The more I see your posts the more I realize your trying to defend the overly harsh ride of your C63. Let's get back to the OP's topic now please, thanks.

[superswiss]

You come off as arrogant. You are not the only automotive enthusiast on this forum. You don't even need 50 hp to be stuck in stop and go traffic just the same way you don't need 500 hp on a track to have serious fun. I'm happy that you speak german like a number of others on this board I'm sure. Really.. I am. The more I see your posts the more I realize your trying to defend the overly harsh ride of your C63. Let's get back to the OP's topic now please, thanks.

You are free to think that. We deviated from the original topic. I tried to provide a critical perspective on the DRC, because OP is trying to figure out if he should get it or not. It went off from there as others then specifically started to argue against what I said, specifically in comparing it to other cars such as the C63. It went off the rails from there, because some of things posted were outdated. Anyway, I don't really have a dog in the race. I've made my decision a long time ago with no regrets or a desire to defend anything, but I hope OP got different perspectives to make a decision. Let's get back on topic.