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    Krando 10.25" android head unit w/ Navigation, Carplay and Android Auto

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    I am seriously considering buying one of these head units: https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...427741722.html

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    I've been talking to their support to verify compatibility with my car and they've confirmed it. They need to know some details to make it fit, since the C6.5 came with the MMI 2G for the 2009 model year and MMI 3G for 2010 and 2011. So far they've been very good at communicating and answering questions.

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    One thing that is incorrectly shown on the product page is that they claim the unit with 4/64GB has a 1920x720 screen. The person I chatted with told me both versions only come with a 1280x480 screen, but the 4/64GB version has the anti-glare coating and the 2/32GB doesn't. The 2/32GB also only comes with a quad core processor vs. the 4/64GB which comes with an octa core.

    What do you guys think? Is it worth investing $500 (including shipping) to see how this works out? I would love to have better navigation and phone integration with a larger screen.
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    4x4shop.ca has a similar device, and they’re located in Canada, similar price too, should make a difference in shipping times to the US right now.

    I’m planning on ordering one this coming week.


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    I checked it out. Thank you.

    Krando is already about $150 cheaper apples to apples and I'm currently negotiating with them for a better price.

    If they end up doing that, I'll but from them. Their shipping should take about 10-14 business days. I'll wait that long if I can save a couple of hundred bucks.

    But there is definitely something to be said about having support from Canada. Even though, communication has been good with the people in China so far, just sometimes you wait a few hours for the answer, because of the time difference.

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    I will say this, in all likelihood both units are identical, and both definitely sourced from likely the same manufacturer. But I recently ordered a few items from a Chinese vendor during the COVID-19 break out, and I still haven’t received the items after being told it was going to be a 14 to 21 day ship time.

    It’s been roughly 2 months, that being said, if you order and receive it prior to me posting about the Canadian unit, I would definitely go with that company as well as that would be a shipping miracle.

    All shipping out of China is being screened thoroughly, and that is holding up customs immensely


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    They offered me $540 shipped for the 4/64GB octacore version and including the wireless carplay adapter.

    That is $148 less than 4x4shop. There is also a $10 coupon through Alibaba.com for any order $500 and over, so I'd save $158 total. I am not in a hurry to get it, so I may just do it.

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    Well let me know how it works out! I’m curious, I’ve never ordered anything thru alibaba so can’t attest to it


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    Quote Originally Posted by iconic_eric View Post
    Well let me know how it works out! I’m curious, I’ve never ordered anything thru alibaba so can’t attest to it


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    Supposedly my system is shipping today. They sent some photos from their QC and packaging. We'll see how that goes. I'm going to have to plan for a Saturday taking apart my dash.Attachment 176676Attachment 176677Attachment 176678

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henning2710 View Post
    Supposedly my system is shipping today. They sent some photos from their QC and packaging. We'll see how that goes. I'm going to have to plan for a Saturday taking apart my dash.Attachment 176676Attachment 176677Attachment 176678

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    Circumstances have reared their head, I have to have tranny work done, so I’ll be waiting to order a unit. Deff keep me posted on how it comes in and works!


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    Quote Originally Posted by iconic_eric View Post
    Circumstances have reared their head, I have to have tranny work done, so I’ll be waiting to order a unit. Deff keep me posted on how it comes in and works!


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    I'll keep you in the loop.

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    So this sticks out/up from the dash like the newer models cone stock? Still retain all factory/MMI functions and does it use touch control or the MMI console?


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    Quote Originally Posted by pploeser View Post
    So this sticks out/up from the dash like the newer models cone stock? Still retain all factory/MMI functions and does it use touch control or the MMI console?


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    Yes, it sticks out like some newer system do stock. You retain all factory MMI functions and it adds a touch screen android system that has its own GPS and is compatible with Android Auto and Apple Carplay (even wireless in case of Carplay).

    The mounting bracket for the new screen mounts where the old screen is.

    The buttons it covers up are in a button bar beloe the new screen.

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    Here is a video of what it looks like (different seller, same product): https://youtu.be/sG0qXuVIEQI
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    Quote Originally Posted by iconic_eric View Post
    I will say this, in all likelihood both units are identical, and both definitely sourced from likely the same manufacturer. But I recently ordered a few items from a Chinese vendor during the COVID-19 break out, and I still haven’t received the items after being told it was going to be a 14 to 21 day ship time.

    It’s been roughly 2 months, that being said, if you order and receive it prior to me posting about the Canadian unit, I would definitely go with that company as well as that would be a shipping miracle.

    All shipping out of China is being screened thoroughly, and that is holding up customs immensely


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    According to UPS the package is out for delivery today and should be at my house by 4:30pm. It was picked up from the shipper Monday. I wonder how your seller shipped your items. Maybe just express mail (EMS)? Or maybe you got duped. I hope your items arrive well or already have.

    I won't be able to start the install for another week or so for higher priority projects (house comes before car). But I will unbox and report about package contents and quality of installation instructions (or lack thereof) when I have time in the coming days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henning2710 View Post
    According to UPS the package is out for delivery today and should be at my house by 4:30pm. It was picked up from the shipper Monday. I wonder how your seller shipped your items. Maybe just express mail (EMS)? Or maybe you got duped. I hope your items arrive well or already have.

    I won't be able to start the install for another week or so for higher priority projects (house comes before car). But I will unbox and report about package contents and quality of installation instructions (or lack thereof) when I have time in the coming days.
    I actually never ordered a unit, car is going in fit tranny work next week and need to worry about that before I do that upgrade, if the unit arrives post some pictures, I’ll definitely be following suit.

    Can u post the link for the unit you purchased?


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    Quote Originally Posted by iconic_eric View Post
    I actually never ordered a unit, car is going in fit tranny work next week and need to worry about that before I do that upgrade, if the unit arrives post some pictures, I’ll definitely be following suit.

    Can u post the link for the unit you purchased?


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    Yeah, I remember you posting that. I was just referring to what you said about ordering goods from China. Here's the link:https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...2d943e5fQo45Lg

    The unit did arrive, but I haven't unboxed it yet. Figured I'd do that when I have some time to go through all the parts and maybe take some pictures in the process.

    Also, disregard their claim that the screen is 1920 x 720 on the better unit. According to their CS the unit for the Audi A6 only comes with 1280 x 480 resolution for both versions of the system. I got the better one for the better processor and memory. Apparently for other vehicles they have a 1920 x 720 screen resolution available.

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    Krando 10.25" android head unit w/ Navigatio, Carplay and Android Auto

    Quote Originally Posted by Henning2710 View Post
    Yes, it sticks out like some newer system do stock. You retain all factory MMI functions and it adds a touch screen android system that has its own GPS and is compatible with Android Auto and Apple Carplay (even wireless in case of Carplay).

    The mounting bracket for the new screen mounts where the old screen is.

    The buttons it covers up are in a button bar beloe the new screen.

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    Here is a video of what it looks like (different seller, same product): https://youtu.be/sG0qXuVIEQI
    Looking forward to your impressions and seeing how the installation goes. I’m very interested in wireless CarPlay.

    I installed a wired Navtool CarPlay system in my Mercedes and it worked ok but never felt polished and did crash occasionally.

    I’m not a huge fan of the factory screens that protrude up from the dash but these seem to fit the dash well based on the photos.

    One more question, any idea if you can change the image to Avant rather than a sedan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pploeser View Post
    Looking forward to your impressions and seeing how the installation goes. I’m very interested in wireless CarPlay.

    I installed a wired Navtool CarPlay system in my Mercedes and it worked ok but never felt polished and did crash occasionally.

    I’m not a huge fan of the factory screens that protrude up from the dash but these seem to fit the dash well based on the photos.

    One more question, any idea if you can change the image to Avant rather than a sedan?

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    I can't wait to try this out, but it came without instructions, so I'm going to need a nice open weekend, where we done have anything else going on.

    I'll let you know how I like it and once we're through this corona issue, I'll be happy to have you check it out in person.

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    It comes well packaged and protected. The screen unit feels solid and looks very nice. It's appropriate for an Audi.

    The bar with the buttons under the screen is a bit cheapish and the buttons do not have the same haptic feedback as the original Audi buttons, but they're rarely used.Attachment 177823Attachment 177824Attachment 177825Attachment 177826Attachment 177827Attachment 177828Attachment 177829Attachment 177830

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    Awesome, thanks for the pics so far. I did wonder about the button bar but like you said, rarely used so maybe not a big deal.

    I noticed what look like data antennas in the packaging and one of the rear panel connections labeled SIM on the website. That could make for some great functionality along with the ability to run android apps.


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    Yes, it definitely has a SIM card slot as well as a memory card slot on the back of the screen. I'm currently researching which providers' SIM cards would work and finding a good data plan for the system itself and for the Wi-Fi hotspot.

    I did not expect the buttons to be the same quality as the original ones, but I can live with that. I also contacted the seller about installation instructions and they sent me two documents. They are pretty rudimentary, especially in terms of the wiring part, but it shouldn't be too hard to figure out. I'm sure there will be some trial and error before everything runs smoothly.

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    We’re using a freedom pop sim in our Q7 with the MMI 3G+ factory hotspot. So far it has worked well and pretty cheap or even free depending on how much data you’ll use.


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    Does it have decent service in west Michigan? And which plan do you have? I think we may just go that route. It sounds like a great option.

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    Krando 10.25" android head unit w/ Navigatio, Carplay and Android Auto

    There are a lot of dead spots with any provider once you go between the larger towns but so far we’ve had signal pretty much everywhere with it. No complaints.

    I will add that we don’t use much bandwidth so I can’t comment on how well it would handle something like music streaming but I suspect fine with a decent signal.

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    Thanks for the tip. I'm going to try and see how it works for us. If we use to much data it may be cheaper to go another route, but we'll have to see how much data we are actually using. Freedompop is definitely a good starting point. Luckily the SIM card slot is easily accessible after the system is installed, so changing providers should be easy.

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    I started the install last night and it's a lot of trial and error as expected. The installation instructions on the wiring are very rudimentary, but the good news is that you can only plug everything in one way and once you figure or what goes where it's pretty easy.

    Some places are hard to access and it's a good idea to wear gloves. There are a lot of sharp edges behind the dash board and my knocked are all cut up.

    I started the unit up and ran some updates, everything works so far including the original MMI functions and back up camera. The SIM does not get a signal without the cellular antennae connected and neither does the navigation without the GPS antenna.

    I just have to plug in the sound adapter and install the data and GPS antennae and put everything back together and make sure everything is tucked away neatly and zip tied, so nothing rattles.

    Taking apart the dash is a pain, especially removing the vents and climate control unit. It definitely helps to have good lighting to see into the vents.

    I noticed that someone was in there before to fix the lane change assist button. It's been taken apart and hot-glued back together and two of the brackets that hold the center vents are damaged which helped getting it out, but also explains a random rattle that I could sometimes hear from that area.

    I ordered a set of new vents.

    As far as the usb port that is needed for android auto connectivity, I will use the one empty switch above the climate control unit and put the port there. For my wife's iPhone there is a wireless apple carplay dongle that I bought with the unit. It will go behind the glove box or in the AMI unit. She can still use the usb for charging.

    I will report back with the final result. So far I'm pretty happy with the whole thing, except the instructions could be better.

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    All done. The wireless carplay is a little touchy and we have an airbag light on, but I'll hook up the vag-com later to check it out.

    I bet it's because the whole instrument cluster had to come out and I'll probably just have to delete an error code.

    The original MMI works just fine, so does the back up camera.

    Android Auto doesn't really work, because the device identifies as a mobile device not as a car. But there is another app that lets me cast my android screen to the infotainment screen. I'll probably look for another option. I'm not a fan of it, because I can't actually control my phone from the car's screen.

    I used the one empty switch under the center vents to place the usb port in. I just cut it out with a dremel and it doesn't look good, but I have a proper usb port coming that will be installed there.

    The little device in the AMI cubby hole is the wireless (and wired) carplay dongle.

    Unfortunately the LTE module in the device does not support US networks, so no internet or hotspot. That'll have to be separate.

    We're using here maps offline for now. I like them better than google maps anyway.Attachment 179522Attachment 179523Attachment 179524Attachment 179525Attachment 179526Attachment 179527Attachment 179528Attachment 179529

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    How difficult was the wiring?


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    It was pretty involved. You basically have to figure out what goes where based on what plugs into what and the one connector that needs to go on the MMI control unit above the glove compartment also fits into the climate control unit.

    Of course I had that connected wrong at first. There's only one plug that fits in the MMI head unit, and the one that does not fit in it goes in the climate control.

    There is not a lot of room to navigate the wiring harnesses, so re-routing that after I had it all in there was a major PITA.

    Getting the bracket and screen mounted proved difficult for the same reason of lack of space behind the dash board. It is extremely tight in there.

    Unfortunately the separate GPS antenna for the unit had to be mounted on top of the dash board to get decent reception. I was going to route the cable through the sun position sensor, but again, there was no way to get it to the device for lack of space.

    I ended up tucking the cable behind the dash under the windshield and then into the right side of the dash under the a-pillar. I zip-tied it to the support beam under the air bag and routed it to the center console. Doesn't look all that pretty, but works well.

    If you don't mind taking apart most of your dash and getting your hands all cut up, it's not too bad. It took me about 10 hours and I have no significant prior car audio experience and I'm extremely thorough in protecting all cables from rubbing and making sure everything is zip-tied properly to something so nothing rattles.

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    Figured out how to make apps share the screen so now I don't have one really wide app, but two narrower ones at the same time. That is really nice, audio controls and navi in my case, but you can put any app you want. Some apps don't like to be forced to split the screen, though. They may just crash. It's an experimental Android developer tool, so it's trial and error.

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    Also, according to the seller the 4G modem supports all frequency bands in the US. I will try again to get that to work. I do get 3G in some very limited areas, but that just doesn't cut it, for lack of coverage and speed.

    The wireless Apple Carplay dongle is still pretty touchy, so my wife just streams her music through the Bluetooth that's built in to the system. Unless you absolutely have to have wireless Carplay, save yourself the $50 for the wireless dongle.

    Using the native BT music streaming capability and here maps works really well and here maps works offline once you download the maps you need (which you can do from any Wi-Fi network), unless you use online traffic, which does not use a lot of data.

    I also discovered that there is a PDF instruction manual on the device that explains all its functions and some additional setting that are not showing unless you activate them (kind of like the hidden menu, but a lot less technical and you won't break anything). You can change the vehicle that is displayed on the home screen, but unfortunately all they have in there is an A4, A3, and Q5.

    All in all, I'm very happy with it.

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    Looks like the installation turned out very nice, though pretty involved in terms of disassembling the dash and routing cables, etc. From your photos the screen looks to be decent quality, resolution, etc.

    I installed a similar touch screen android based head unit in my 2008 Jetta a while back and I remember it taking a good bit of trial/error to get set up the way I wanted, but also pretty buggy and prone to crashing. Sounds like a somewhat similar experience with the software on this one.

    Glad to hear you're happy with it. Nicely done and thanks for the detailed follow up.

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    Thanks. Since I'm not very experienced with car audio installations and I make sure to have everything rattle and rub free it took me longer than it should have. I'm guessing the next one will take a lot less time.

    I am happy with how it came out. Luckily I've not had any issues with performance or crashing except for some apps that don't like split screen mode, but then that is a feature that is "experimental" and Google warns you to be aware that it will cause issues with some apps, especially the ones designed without a native split screen mode. It basically forces any app into split screen mode, even if they're not supposed to do that. So that is not a fault on part of the system, but me messing with developer options.

    We drove down to the Battle Creek area last weekend to pick up my step son and the navigation and BT music streaming worked flawlessly. We had 3G data in some limited areas, but no 4G since I didn't bother to install the 4G antennae after that didn't work when I tested everything in my driveway before putting it all back together.

    Everything else works well and this weekend (or next) when I'm replacing the center air vents, I will also install the 4G antennae and see if I can get that to work. I'll report on the outcome of that.

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    Looks like the installation turned out very nice, though pretty involved in terms of disassembling the dash and routing cables, etc. From your photos the screen looks to be decent quality, resolution, etc.

    I installed a similar touch screen android based head unit in my 2008 Jetta a while back and I remember it taking a good bit of trial/error to get set up the way I wanted, but also pretty buggy and prone to crashing. Sounds like a somewhat similar experience with the software on this one.

    Glad to hear you're happy with it. Nicely done and thanks for the detailed follow up.

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    I did this same install as you shortly after your post and it was every helpful, and I do have a few questions/concerns.

    My car play actually works really well, my issue is that when I first get in the car, it connects to car play automatically(great) but it doesn’t play music right away. I have to switch from radio back to aux to get sound. Or press a random button, go to aux then press play. Same for you?

    I can’t find any way to change the temperature from Celsius to degrees!! I don’t know what that’s about. How about you?

    The home screen has very limited functionality, like I can’t modify where apps go. Maybe it’s because I lack knowledge with the android platform? How do I change how my ‘home screen’ looks?

    How does the quality of back up camera look in yours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne10k View Post
    I did this same install as you shortly after your post and it was every helpful, and I do have a few questions/concerns.

    My car play actually works really well, my issue is that when I first get in the car, it connects to car play automatically(great) but it doesn’t play music right away. I have to switch from radio back to aux to get sound. Or press a random button, go to aux then press play. Same for you?
    Yes, not always, but often. So we've made it a habit to press the CD/AUX button twice after starting the car to switch from AUX to CD and back. Not perfect, but not annoying enough for me to worry about. I found it harder to switch between two Bluetooth devices on the Bovee1000 we had plugged into the AMI before.

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    I can’t find any way to change the temperature from Celsius to degrees!! I don’t know what that’s about. How about you?
    You can't change it to Fahrenheit. You can turn off that feature altogether, though. I may still do that, since I find it generally disruptive when it shows up on that screen.

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    The home screen has very limited functionality, like I can’t modify where apps go. Maybe it’s because I lack knowledge with the android platform? How do I change how my ‘home screen’ looks?
    I asked the manufacturer about it. They use a custom user interface and you cannot change it. What you can do is root the android system and put your own UI on it. This would void any warranty and support and I won't touch it, because I'm not knowledgeable enough about that kind of thing. I would love to remove some items from the home screen and replace with others as well.

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    How does the quality of back up camera look in yours?
    Looks the same as before. We have the factory back-up camera and the Android system switches to the MMI system when it is activated and back when it's done.


    My wife has brought up some of the issues and when we talked about them we came to the following realization: If we wanted a perfectly integrated system that feels, looks and functions like the original MMI, but with all the additional and updated/upgraded features, we could expect it to cost a whole lot more ($2,500ish is my guess).

    Since hardly anyone who buys a used car for ~$10,000 is likely to dish out that kind of money for that kind of upgrade, there is not enough of a market at that price. That leaves manufacturers of those systems to develop them to a price point hat is reasonable enough to sell enough of them to make a profit. That also leaves them with a limited R&D budget, so they end up having to cut some corners to make it happen and make it widely available for a range of different OEM systems. What it comes down to is this: you can either have it perfectly done, but way too expensive, or you can have it the way it is where it works fine, but isn't perfect.

    Considering all that we like it and it works well for us. Since we don't want to use a lot of data, we don't want to use Apple maps through Carplay anyway and music from my wife's iPhone streams perfectly through he integrated A2DP capabilities. Too bad I spent an extra $50 for a wireless Carplay dongle we don't use or need now.



    While I'm at it, a quick general update as well:

    I will still look for a different offline navigation app, since here WeGo does not have all the functionality I need, after all. There are different free and paid options out there and I will do some research and try a few to see which ones we like best. I will report back on that when I have some results.

    I have not had time to install the 4G glass patch antennae. That is a project I want do get done so I can upgrade the SIM to a T-Mobile SIM. So far it looks like they have the best plans of the non-MVNOs to use for the Android and run a Wi-Fi hot spot in the vehicle. With the Android Navigation systems you're limited to T-Mobile or AT&T and their MVNOs, because they require a GSM SIM card.

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    Thanks for the detailed reply and the insight. After sitting with it now for a month, switching between the two isn’t bad at all.

    Thanks a lot my guy and keep dropping jewels.

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    Hello

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    UPDATE 11/30/2021: I convinced my wife to keep the Krando unit. Sygic had a killer deal on their Premium+ subscription for Cyber Monday, so I upgraded. Now I get map updates monthly and have a host of other features (some of which won't work on the Krando unit due to hardware limitations like the lack of cameras).

    I have run into the issue of the system giving me storage space warnings, when there is actually no issue with storage. It seems to be cached data from apps that is causing the issue and I installed an Android cleaner app (Ashampoo Auto Clean Up) that now clears the caches on a regular basis. We'll see how that goes long term.

    Another observation: If you're sensitive to bright screens in the dark (as I am), this screen is definitely too bright, even in it's lowest setting. I am using the app "Twilight" to automatically have the screen dimmed to my preferred brightness from dusk 'till dawn and it works great. It also provides a blue light filter (which is actually its main feature) that makes the screen less straining on the eyes and lets you adjust the color temperature to exactly the same as the Audi dashboard and driver information display for a perfect match.


    Original post 10/08/2021:
    Long term update: I found Sygic navigation to be very nice and functional. It is an offline navigation app, that uses maps that are downloaded to your device.

    I bought a worldwide lifetime membership that gets you map updates 4 times a year and live traffic (requires an active data connection). You can also use it on multiple devices, which means you can take it with you on your phone and download maps in advance for any country you may go to and save the data roaming fees for online navigation like Google maps.

    On a negative note, my wife is an Apple girl and just does not like the android ui. She hates the whole system, because it does not just work like an apple device would and she does not want to use apple carplay, because she hates to have her phone plugged in and get overcharged.

    So I've decided to switch back to the original MMI with the Bluetooth AMI dongle. The only thing we really use on the Krando system is the navigation and the Bluetooth audio streaming.

    We will get the proclipusa.com car mount and device holder for our tablet to run the navigation and the AMI Bluetooth dongle for music. We also have satellite radio and that is much easier to use in the original MMI.

    So, the complete Krando system will be for sale soon. I just have to get around to swapping it out.

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    Last edited by Henning2710; 11-30-2021 at 09:36 AM.

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    4x4ca 8.8" retrofit triggers the airbag light also

    Quote Originally Posted by Henning2710 View Post
    All done. The wireless carplay is a little touchy and we have an airbag light on, but I'll hook up the vag-com later to check it out.
    Apologies for re-animating this thread but did you ever find out what caused the Airbag light to come on or how to clear it?

    I cannot clear it with a regular code reader and have ordered the Ross-Tech VCDS to hopefully do it with... but wonder if I missed something wiring-related in the glove box.

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