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    Mega RS3 / M2c comparison

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    I’ve been running both cars as daily drivers so here are my head to head impressions (2 years in the RS3, 6 months in the M2C). I drive around 90% of the time on city streets vs highway so that is what my impressions are based on.



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    2018 Audi RS3
    Black optics
    Red brake calipers
    Sports exhaust

    Mods: 10mm spacers rear, 7mm spacers front

    2019 BMW M2 competition
    DCT
    Orange stitching

    Mods: Carbon fiber rear spoiler/front spoiler/side winglets, exhaust tips, reflectors




    Engine

    From a power standpoint, both are engines are more than enough for driving around on the street. That being said, once rolling the M2C’s torque advantage is noticeable over the RS3. It pushes you back in the seat under acceleration harder than the RS3 does. I’ve never used launch control so cannot comment on differences in standing start.

    Transmission

    Both dual clutch transmissions shift quickly. If you are used to the dumbed down dual clutch transmissions in an S3 or S4, the RS3 is so much better than what’s in Audi’s S models its like it’s a different unit.

    I always drive in manual mode so I could not comment on auto mode. Overall, I give the edge to the M2C because:

    a) Its more refined than the RS3 (the 1st to 2nd shift in the RS3 is jarring, the 2nd to 1st shift when rolling up to a stop sign sometime gets delayed so jolts into 1st just as you are getting on the power to leave the stop sign).
    b) The shift paddles are metal and the shift mechanism feels more solid. The RS3 has plastic paddles that feel like a video game when you press them – completely ruins the experience. If there was one thing I could have from the M2C in the RS3 it would be the transmission.




    Exhaust

    I have coded out active sound on the M2C. As far as I am aware, there is no cabin sound in the RS3. In terms of the engineered sound (pops/crackles), apart from the start up in the RS3 (which sounds better than the M2C), there are no pops/crackles on throttle lift-off like there is in the M2C (sport+). Apparently the pre-facelift RS3’s had something like this but you need an aftermarket tune to get it back in the facelift models.

    In terms of the natural sound of the engine, I prefer the RS3 sound from about 2k to 4k RPM – it has a nicer tone. However, at the top end of the rev range, the RS3 sounds like it is straining vs the M2C.




    Brakes

    For driving around on the street, both brakes are similar. They both have a manageable amount of bite when initially pressing with a moderate amount of pedal which makes it easy to drive smoothly in traffic. They are both strong when you are fully on the pedal.

    The RS3 has a known weakness with brake pad wear (not sure if they fixed this yet). I’m at 15,000 kms and I have 25% pad left – and that’s with just normal day-to-day city driving.

    Suspension

    The RS3 has adaptive suspension vs the fixed on the M2C so hard to directly compare. I usually drive in the soft setting in the RS3, but even comparing the hardest setting in the RS3 to the M2C, the M2C is a firmer ride. Although I like the fact the RS3 is more comfortable on downtown city streets in soft mode, I do feel the M2C has a better initial compliance to its suspension. When you first hit a bump in the RS3 it feels quite jarring vs the M2C which does a better job of absorbing the initial impact.




    Interior

    Overall I like the interior of the RS3 better. I’m not a big fan of the M2C exposed carbon trim. I purchased my RS3 off the lot so I was stuck with the brushed aluminum trim which I also don’t really like, but at least you can get gloss carbon as an option from the factory.

    I like the RS3 steering wheel better than the M2C. Its slightly thinner, smaller in diameter, has alcantara on the sides, and has a large flat bottom. Even the BMW performance steering wheel does not look as nice in my opinion as the bottom flat area is not as large as on the RS3.

    I also prefer the Audi Napa leather over the BMW Dakota leather. Its smoother in texture and generally just looks better. The first time I sat in a BMW with Dakota leather, I asked the sales person if it was the synthetic leather – it felt that much inferior to the Audi Napa leather.

    The M2C seats have adjustable side bolsters which hug you better. The RS3 sport seats are non-electric. Although they are not as snug as the M2C seats, they still hold you well and overall I feel they are more comfortable.




    Infotainment

    In terms of the dash, the RS3 wins hands down with its full digital display. The central tach, shift lights, navigation map are everything you need and you can switch modes to show different information/full screen map. If there was one thing in the RS3 I could have in the M2C it would be the Audi virtual cockpit.

    In terms of everything else, the M2C wins hands down. Connected, touch screen, larger/high res screen, better speech recognition, wireless Apple carplay make it a generation better than the RS3.

    Miscellaneous

    RS3 likes
    -Seating for 5 people
    -Has an electronic hand brake
    -When you release the trunk it lifts up without having to lift it
    -The transmission has automatic creep built in (I used to dislike this but its actually easier when driving in traffic with this)
    -Comes standard with blind spot warning (but no lane keeping) vs the M2C which has lane keeping but no blind spot warning

    M2C likes:
    -Integrated homelink (this is not even an option on the RS3 – I guess Audi built the car for people in Europe that live in apartments and park on streets, total miss for the North American market in my opinion)
    -Heated steering wheel




    Overall

    Overall the M2C is the car that is more fun to drive. If I lived in a region that did not have snow, I would probably just own the M2C. As a year round daily driver, in terms of practicality (4 doors, seats 5, all wheel drive) the RS3 is the car to have.
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    Nice and great looking cars! Now you need to compare the M2C to the TT RS. Certain things will definitely change, others may or may not. I’ve heard people say it feels like it has 100 more hp. The seats are electric with adjustable side bolsters that really hold you in the seat. It has integrated Home Link and lane keeping assistance. I’ve yet to hear the RS3 in pre or post facelift form, but I was noticing how awesome my exhaust sounds while I got to drive it for the first time over the weekend. I’m guessing you wanted a 4 door sedan, but if that wasn’t necessary, I think you would have been way happier in a TT RS. Just a friendly opinion, though. Thanks for the write up!

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    Great write up. Thank you.

    Just 2 small comments re the Audi.

    You can use vcd (and others) to code the passenger mirror to dip on reverse.

    Most dealers (in California at least) can add home link for a few hundred dollars.

    But it is really annoying that both doesn't come standard from the factory.

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    In conclusion, Marsh is crazy. Audi fo lyfe!

    Kidding, great review man. Very rarely do you get to see a non Audi or BMW fanboy review of the two, it's cool also to see one from a person who actually owns and uses them both. Any plans to tune either one in the future or purely stock? I'd be interested to see your insight after they've both been tuned.
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    You can also turn off the compass display on the rear view mirror in the Audi. Just press and hold the button at the bottom of the rear view mirror and it'll go away.
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    I get why people always compare the M2 to the RS3 (price range? cheapest M car vs cheapest RS car).
    But in reality i don't find these cars similar at all.
    I wanted a small awd sedan that gave me decent performance all year round.. especially in the snow, for the price there was nothing else in the market.

    Now when you look at a RWD "Sports" car in M2's price bracket there are other cars it should be compared against. (Gt350, Cayman GTS, Camaro 1LE).
    I've driven Gt350 and Cayman and regular M2.. I really don't know if an M2 is a better car than those.

    But i guess M2 vs RS3 does make for better entertainment or clickbait title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LJS5 View Post
    I get why people always compare the M2 to the RS3 (price range? cheapest M car vs cheapest RS car).
    But in reality i don't find these cars similar at all.
    I wanted a small awd sedan that gave me decent performance all year round.. especially in the snow, for the price there was nothing else in the market.

    Now when you look at a RWD "Sports" car in M2's price bracket there are other cars it should be compared against. (Gt350, Cayman GTS, Camaro 1LE).
    I've driven Gt350 and Cayman and regular M2.. I really don't know if an M2 is a better car than those.

    But i guess M2 vs RS3 does make for better entertainment or clickbait title.
    I dunno, when I was shopping these were the two cars I was looking at and there's no snow here. I might have bought either, and was trying to do european delivery but kinda got jerked around by both companies (did factory tours while I was in Germany tho, just didn't pick up anything) so got a used R8 and hopped up a used S3. Better value than either a new RS3 or M2 in retrospect for not much more money. I am frustrated by the S3's handling but will get that figured out in time, and I can always drive the R8 (Manual) which drives better than anything else I've ever driven (Though 911/Cayman are similar in feel)
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    If I could afford either an M2 or an RS3 I would walk past both and get another Cayman and tell prospective passengers to get an Uber! I had a 2007 Cayman S for a while and am constantly kicking myself for selling it.
    Spinnetti's option to get a used R8 is pretty commendable as well. He will probably drive that car for several years and sell it for as much or more than he paid! Can you even find an R8 sub $60k?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtwallace85 View Post
    Nice and great looking cars! Now you need to compare the M2C to the TT RS. Certain things will definitely change, others may or may not. I’ve heard people say it feels like it has 100 more hp. The seats are electric with adjustable side bolsters that really hold you in the seat. It has integrated Home Link and lane keeping assistance. I’ve yet to hear the RS3 in pre or post facelift form, but I was noticing how awesome my exhaust sounds while I got to drive it for the first time over the weekend. I’m guessing you wanted a 4 door sedan, but if that wasn’t necessary, I think you would have been way happier in a TT RS. Just a friendly opinion, though. Thanks for the write up!
    Yes, the RS3 had to be a daily driver (meaning more than 2 seats). TT RS looks nice though (I have not tested one). I tried an RS-5 and was underwhelmed - for the $20k CDN more in base price you are not getting $20k more car over the RS3

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevwang View Post
    Great write up. Thank you.

    Just 2 small comments re the Audi.

    You can use vcd (and others) to code the passenger mirror to dip on reverse.

    Most dealers (in California at least) can add home link for a few hundred dollars.

    But it is really annoying that both doesn't come standard from the factory.

    Sent from my LM-G710 using Tapatalk

    I saw there was an Audi homelink retrofit thing you could get but a couple of hundred dollars for the part + needing to cut into the headliner to install it made it a no-go. I just went with the simpler solution of getting a garage door key fob I just keep in the car.

    Thanks for the tip on the coding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khyy View Post
    In conclusion, Marsh is crazy. Audi fo lyfe!

    Kidding, great review man. Very rarely do you get to see a non Audi or BMW fanboy review of the two, it's cool also to see one from a person who actually owns and uses them both. Any plans to tune either one in the future or purely stock? I'd be interested to see your insight after they've both been tuned.
    I'm going to keep it stock while its under warranty. We'll see in a couple of years - but lots can change in the car world by then. If the next generation M3/M4 has the x-drive that has a RWD only mode then that may eliminate the need for 2 cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gui_a3 View Post
    You can also turn off the compass display on the rear view mirror in the Audi. Just press and hold the button at the bottom of the rear view mirror and it'll go away.
    MAJOR thanks on that! Every Audi I had owned that has always been an annoyance.

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    RS3 comes standard with reverse dip on passenger mirror (at least in US), just have to make sure you have the correct selection on the mirror selection knob. If you have the correct position selected and you're in reverse and the mirror doesn't move, you'll need to manually set the location you want the mirror to dip to and then it will retain this to memory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jl87 View Post
    RS3 comes standard with reverse dip on passenger mirror (at least in US), just have to make sure you have the correct selection on the mirror selection knob. If you have the correct position selected and you're in reverse and the mirror doesn't move, you'll need to manually set the location you want the mirror to dip to and then it will retain this to memory.
    Correct, my side mirror tilts when in reverse.

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    This has always been a ridiculous comparison. One is a true two door rwd sports car, the other a AWD sports sedan.

    The M2 was never on my list because it is so dedicated and impractical. It's a toy car, if you get my drift. That's great if it suits your life but I demand something fun and useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jl87 View Post
    RS3 comes standard with reverse dip on passenger mirror (at least in US), just have to make sure you have the correct selection on the mirror selection knob. If you have the correct position selected and you're in reverse and the mirror doesn't move, you'll need to manually set the location you want the mirror to dip to and then it will retain this to memory.
    Thanks! I had previously tried to putting it in the passenger position and nothing happened. I did not realize you needed to manually position it first.

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    Turn the selector to the passenger mirror, reverse and let it dip. Adjust it to where you like it:) Then you're good to go for next time. Awesome review though.
    When I was initially looking, i was looking at both cars too. The lack of 2 doors pushed me towards the RS3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaoscreature View Post
    Can you even find an R8 sub $60k?
    Yep, V8 models are cheap as hell where I live. They don’t sell well. C6-7 is a better platform to build on vs something so dated and expensive to get power out of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pdisguise View Post
    Yep, V8 models are cheap as hell where I live. They don’t sell well. C6-7 is a better platform to build on vs something so dated and expensive to get power out of.
    Well, depends. Mine was 70, but one owner, sub 20k miles no defects manual.... there's plenty of automatics that have a story or been passed around to 10 owners, but who would want one of those?
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