Another one bites the dust... Blown turbo`s at 25 000miles

[Andreasmkr]

So, a couple of weeks ago driving home from work i noticed some lack of power on my S7 2013mod. I got off the highway and made it to the intersection right before my house.
Suddenly my car began running rough, had trouble idling but no CEL...

I managed to keep the car somehow alive by applying a bit of power in neutral and getting it back in drive and made it back home (1 min drive downhill) where the car just died on me.

Thinking the worst, I took out my VAG-COM and read the engine codes. Short circut on Bank 2 pre-cat oxygen sensor. Could that oxygen sensor make the car idle and hesistate on acceleration?

So i went online placing an order for a new sensor thinking this is going to be a quick fix! :D


Wen out again and tried starting the car and a suddenly a terrible metal sound came from underneath the hood.. :O Turbo`s blown...

Called my insurance company, got the car towed to the nearest Audi dealer and got an inspection booked a couple of days later.


A week after the dealer called me confirming that one of my turbo`s was about to break down due to bearing failure and the other one a couple of miles left before that one also failed.
The car has only 25 450 miles on it so this is just insane... Estimated cost would be around 14 000usd in total.


Talked again to my insurance company and they are willing to cover the costs of replacing both my turbos (extended motor and drivetrain insurance) Luckily!!


But the story does not end there...
A couple of days later my dealer called me again and they wanted to continued to look for faults just to be safe that nothing else was up with the engine.
And guess what they found in addittion to the blow turbos? :O :O


2 cylinders with low comp on low temp
2 cylinders with low comp on high temp

So suddenly I got 4 cylinders with low comp and 2 blow turbos on a engine with 25 000miles! Great Audi for making such a reliable engine


But lucky me:

After negotiating with the insurance surveyor about either wrecking the car and giving me a replacement or a new engine they actually are going to replace my engine with a brand new one incl turbos and misc from Audi with 5 years warranty at the neat price of ( PLEASE SIT DOWN)



56 267USD?!?!?


Price includes of course labor, turbos and complete engine



Do not blow your turbos OR have low comp in Norway! It's going to cost you IF you do not have an extended insurance!

[RAF_S7]

Guess that rules out even thinking about going Stage 1

What kind of oil change routine were you using?

[mintytoo]

So, a couple of weeks ago driving home from work i noticed some lack of power on my S7 2013mod. I got off the highway and made it to the intersection right before my house.
Suddenly my car began running rough, had trouble idling but no CEL...

I managed to keep the car somehow alive by applying a bit of power in neutral and getting it back in drive and made it back home (1 min drive downhill) where the car just died on me.

Thinking the worst, I took out my VAG-COM and read the engine codes. Short circut on Bank 2 pre-cat oxygen sensor. Could that oxygen sensor make the car idle and hesistate on acceleration?

So i went online placing an order for a new sensor thinking this is going to be a quick fix! :D


Wen out again and tried starting the car and a suddenly a terrible metal sound came from underneath the hood.. :O Turbo`s blown...

Called my insurance company, got the car towed to the nearest Audi dealer and got an inspection booked a couple of days later.


A week after the dealer called me confirming that one of my turbo`s was about to break down due to bearing failure and the other one a couple of miles left before that one also failed.
The car has only 25 450 miles on it so this is just insane... Estimated cost would be around 14 000usd in total.


Talked again to my insurance company and they are willing to cover the costs of replacing both my turbos (extended motor and drivetrain insurance) Luckily!!


But the story does not end there...
A couple of days later my dealer called me again and they wanted to continued to look for faults just to be safe that nothing else was up with the engine.
And guess what they found in addittion to the blow turbos? :O :O


2 cylinders with low comp on low temp
2 cylinders with low comp on high temp

So suddenly I got 4 cylinders with low comp and 2 blow turbos on a engine with 25 000miles! Great Audi for making such a reliable engine


But lucky me:

After negotiating with the insurance surveyor about either wrecking the car and giving me a replacement or a new engine they actually are going to replace my engine with a brand new one incl turbos and misc from Audi with 5 years warranty at the neat price of ( PLEASE SIT DOWN)



56 267USD?!?!?


Price includes of course labor, turbos and complete engine



Do not blow your turbos OR have low comp in Norway! It's going to cost you IF you do not have an extended insurance!

At that price, you can definitely buy a newer s6, at least in the US. Definitely please make sure they put in the latest revision pcv/oil strainer/check valve. Were you tuned at all?

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[gk1]

Wow! They are willing to shell out $57000 on a 6-7 year old car. That would never fly in the US it would be dumped. Even in excellent shape with low mileage it might only be worth $30k...even less with the 2020 just around the corner.
Out of curiosity what did it cost new?
I'm also with RAF what was oil change routine? Considering if you went by Audi schedule and mileage you'd have only done 2 or 3 but let's say you did even yearly you'd be at 6-7. It does seem interesting to have both low compression and blown turbos without also having an oil issue. Moot point now I know...

[MadAboutCars]

How did they get it to a high temp with horrible metalic sounds when cranking?

[digdah]

I just don't get how these low mileage engines have these issues. Then I see a car, same model year, with 89k miles on the odometer on stock turbos.

[Cris_OO7]

Friends 13’ s6 went over 90k miles before they blew he was also stage 2 for over 50k miles. He got turbos replaced and car still going strong no other major issues. 🤷🏻*♂️


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[wwhan]

A new engine is only around $20k.

[gta7]

Doesn’t make sense.

[Andreasmkr]

Guess that rules out even thinking about going Stage 1

What kind of oil change routine were you using?

Oil changed every 5000miles

[Andreasmkr]

At that price, you can definitely buy a newer s6, at least in the US. Definitely please make sure they put in the latest revision pcv/oil strainer/check valve. Were you tuned at all?

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Yes, If i lived in the US :( a used S7 13 mod goes used for around 76,000usd

[Andreasmkr]

A new engine is only around $20k.

In the US. Not in Norway including taxes and everything unfortunately :/

[Andreasmkr]

How did they get it to a high temp with horrible metalic sounds when cranking?

Turbos has not yet failed completely, just touching their housings. So they idled the engine to get it up in temp.

[mintytoo]

In the US. Not in Norway including taxes and everything unfortunately :/

At least you guys have great healthcare!

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[Andreasmkr]

Wow! They are willing to shell out $57000 on a 6-7 year old car. That would never fly in the US it would be dumped. Even in excellent shape with low mileage it might only be worth $30k...even less with the 2020 just around the corner.
Out of curiosity what did it cost new?
I'm also with RAF what was oil change routine? Considering if you went by Audi schedule and mileage you'd have only done 2 or 3 but let's say you did even yearly you'd be at 6-7. It does seem interesting to have both low compression and blown turbos without also having an oil issue. Moot point now I know...

Yes, that is just insane. A used S7 same mod goes for about 76,000usd a new 2018 147 000 USD here
Oil changes was done every 5000miles, so managed just to do a couple before this happened. The Audi technician said that alot of start and stops considering model and milage may have contributed to the low comp over time. I have no idea.

[Andreasmkr]

At least you guys have great healthcare!

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That is true! Free healthcare is great, but we pay lot of taxes for it too.

[booch]

The only thing more ridiculous than Audi not recalling/extending the warranty on this engine (more accurately the screen) is how there's no CEL when it goes! Come on, Audi -- do the right thing!

[davepjr71]

The only thing more ridiculous than Audi not recalling/extending the warranty on this engine (more accurately the screen) is how there's no CEL when it goes! Come on, Audi -- do the right thing!

True, a good comparison to this is the Yamaha F350 fly wheel issue. Yamaha set up a maintenance schedule and replacement schedule to ensure it is taken care of before the issue arises instead of burying their head in the sand. And much like this turbo issue some people have no issues while others early on.

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[mintytoo]

True, a good comparison to this is the Yamaha F350 fly wheel issue. Yamaha set up a maintenance schedule and replacement schedule to ensure it is taken care of before the issue arises instead of burying their head in the sand. And much like this turbo issue some people have no issues while others early on.

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No idea what is the f350 flywheel issue, but how many hours is that repair? Pcv+oil screen repair is likely a 8-10 hour job. It's all a matter of money, cost of covering a recall vs a few turbos replaced (and probably many denied)

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[Andreasmkr]

The only thing more ridiculous than Audi not recalling/extending the warranty on this engine (more accurately the screen) is how there's no CEL when it goes! Come on, Audi -- do the right thing!

That`s true! Should have been a recall on this years ago..

[gta7]

If I didn’t have the CPO warranty I’d be selling my car once the warranty expired.

Very disappointed Audi hasn’t stepped up on this.

That said Audi’s service sucks! I had my car in last month to dealer and service and follow through were pathetic!!

[ItsLarryG]

That`s true! Should have been a recall on this years ago..

I did just receive a letter that the PCV valve (I think) would be reimbursed if I paid for it and the warranty was extended. Maybe there will be many people reimbursed for their $10k turbos...

[MattyMarkey]

That is true! Free healthcare is great, but we pay lot of taxes for it too.

As a wise man once told me - nothing is for free - you pay for it some way, some how.

[Vinng86]

As a wise man once told me - nothing is for free - you pay for it some way, some how.

You do yeah, but most countries with universal healthcare don't have middleman insurance companies jacking up costs unnecessarily. No middleman = cheaper costs.

Also, preventative healthcare is WAYYYY cheaper than treating problems after they've already shown up. Kind of like how changing your oil prevents you from having to rebuild your engine

[booch]

Very disappointed Audi hasn’t stepped up on this.

I’m sure they’ve run what they think is ‘the math,’ but I’d encourage them to consider that this engine is only in their premium/enthusiast offerings, so the potential for brand damage and customer defection in a coveted segment is real. It’s not just cool-looking headlights and CUV-lovers that have rebuilt their US business — evangelism from people like us definitely is a factor. Not to mention that good businesses do the right thing, period.

[BigTex]

I’m sure they’ve run what they think is ‘the math,’ but I’d encourage them to consider that this engine is only in their premium/enthusiast offerings, so the potential for brand damage and customer defection in a coveted segment is real. It’s not just cool-looking headlights and CUV-lovers that have rebuilt their US business — evangelism from people like us definitely is a factor. Not to mention that good businesses do the right thing, period.

Nicely said!

[gta7]

I’m sure they’ve run what they think is ‘the math,’ but I’d encourage them to consider that this engine is only in their premium/enthusiast offerings, so the potential for brand damage and customer defection in a coveted segment is real. It’s not just cool-looking headlights and CUV-lovers that have rebuilt their US business — evangelism from people like us definitely is a factor. Not to mention that good businesses do the right thing, period.

Yes well said!

[MattyMarkey]

You do yeah, but most countries with universal healthcare don't have middleman insurance companies jacking up costs unnecessarily. No middleman = cheaper costs.

Also, preventative healthcare is WAYYYY cheaper than treating problems after they've already shown up. Kind of like how changing your oil prevents you from having to rebuild your engine

Pretty sure you don’t need to explain it to me, nor is the information you kindly gave everyone going to change the fact some people think universal healthcare in other countries is “Free” - plain and simple, it’s not.

Let’s bring your preventative maintenance topic, back to the OP... preventative maintenance on this engine has proven itself somewhat useless... changing your oil regularly may not save you from blown turbos - time for a rebuild!

See what I did there? ;)


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[Vinng86]

Pretty sure you don’t need to explain it to me, nor is the information you kindly gave everyone going to change the fact some people think universal healthcare in other countries is “Free” - plain and simple, it’s not.

It could still be economically free if you could put a dollar value on having a more productive, less sick work force, things that cannot be easily measured in dollar amounts. Fact is, we still spend less than half per citizen than you guys do.

Let’s bring your preventative maintenance topic, back to the OP... preventative maintenance on this engine has proven itself somewhat useless... changing your oil regularly may not save you from blown turbos - time for a rebuild!

See what I did there? ;)


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Well duh, even if you live the healthiest life style possible you can still get cancer. Same thing applies here. The generally accepted principle is that preventative action is far cheaper than fixing the problem after the fact.

[MattyMarkey]

It could still be economically free if you could put a dollar value on having a more productive, less sick work force, things that cannot be easily measured in dollar amounts. Fact is, we still spend less than half per citizen than you guys do.



Well duh, even if you live the healthiest life style possible you can still get cancer. Same thing applies here. The generally accepted principle is that preventative action is far cheaper than fixing the problem after the fact.

Are you a healthcare lobbyist for your country? Maybe work for their government or something?! Its going to be OK... you guys have a better healthcare system, I get it, don’t worry... It costs something upfront (taxes) to gain you net savings (healthier people, less spent, higher returns, etc etc.) - aka Still not free.

I work in the healthcare/insurance industry, I don’t need to talk about it at work, and outside of work on a Audi forum.

So Now... If you want to discuss how the 4.0t engine implodes, even when many people take extremely good preventative measures, in the hopes that it won’t, let’s chat. I’m all ears.


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[Andreasmkr]

Well, that escalated quickly!

This is the milage when the oil changes ++ was done:

4400 miles
8000 miles
9600 miles
12500 miles
17000 miles
22000 miles

Still the filters are clogging up? All services where done at Audi service centers

[lituoklis88]

Hm. weird. Mines 2016 with 22,000. So far no issues, but my friends got identical 2016 with 105,000 miles, stock turbos, stock pcv, even the oil strainer/ filter hasnt been touched. oil changes every 6-8k miles. No issues to turbos, no play, no oil on the intake side. I must add he drives it like a moron, always on the pedal and in boost. Also stage two since about 35K miles. Not even sure what oil hes running, because he literally doesn't care. Random oil changes, at random places.
Its suprising that how healthy his engine feels, pulls as hard as day one. So i guess, not all scenarios are the same?

[mintytoo]

Hm. weird. Mines 2016 with 22,000. So far no issues, but my friends got identical 2016 with 105,000 miles, stock turbos, stock pcv, even the oil strainer/ filter hasnt been touched. oil changes every 6-8k miles. No issues to turbos, no play, no oil on the intake side. I must add he drives it like a moron, always on the pedal and in boost. Also stage two since about 35K miles. Not even sure what oil hes running, because he literally doesn't care. Random oil changes, at random places.
Its suprising that how healthy his engine feels, pulls as hard as day one. So i guess, not all scenarios are the same?

Stop babying your car, and by that I mean drive it more.

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[gk1]

Well, that escalated quickly!

This is the milage when the oil changes ++ was done:

4400 miles
8000 miles
9600 miles
12500 miles
17000 miles
22000 miles

Still the filters are clogging up? All services where done at Audi service centers

Why the very short one at 9600 miles? Was that one based on time due to less driving?
Also will the dealer replacing the engine due a teardown analysis to find out why the low compression and failure? or are they sending it back to Germany or anything like that?
It will be interesting to see what is the problem consider you have also failed rings/pistons or valves as well. I could understand how any wear metals...piston rings etc could get in and clog the strainer and cause the turbo failure, but what is causing the ring failure to begin with?

[Vinng86]

Are you a healthcare lobbyist for your country? Maybe work for their government or something?! Its going to be OK... you guys have a better healthcare system, I get it, don’t worry... It costs something upfront (taxes) to gain you net savings (healthier people, less spent, higher returns, etc etc.) - aka Still not free.

Why would I need to be a healthcare lobbyist?

If it's a net positive on the balance sheet than yeah it's free. I have relatives who, thanks to healthcare availability, ended up being able to work and paying taxes and enjoy life for 4+ decades. That is free, my friend.

I work in the healthcare/insurance industry, I don’t need to talk about it at work, and outside of work on a Audi forum.

Well clearly you wanted to, otherwise you wouldn't have replied to the point about healthcare

So Now... If you want to discuss how the 4.0t engine implodes, even when many people take extremely good preventative measures, in the hopes that it won’t, let’s chat. I’m all ears.

What else is there to say? Clearly it is a design issue. No engine should fail at 25,000 miles, especially not one costing upwards of $80k new. Audi needs to nip the problem in the bud, full stop.

[97B518TQM]

No idea what is the f350 flywheel issue, but how many hours is that repair? Pcv+oil screen repair is likely a 8-10 hour job. It's all a matter of money, cost of covering a recall vs a few turbos replaced (and probably many denied)

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Actually it's 8-10 hours if the person doing it has never done it before in their life. For an experienced mechanic especially at a dealership this should be no more than 6 hours. I know they charge for more hours but I have done it twice and the first time it took me 8 hours, including a trip to the dealer to buy an o-ring I was missing. The second time it took me 5 hours. It's really not as bad of a job as the dealers make it with their ridiculous time estimates.

[mintytoo]

Actually it's 8-10 hours if the person doing it has never done it before in their life. For an experienced mechanic especially at a dealership this should be no more than 6 hours. I know they charge for more hours but I have done it twice and the first time it took me 8 hours, including a trip to the dealer to buy an o-ring I was missing. The second time it took me 5 hours. It's really not as bad of a job as the dealers make it with their ridiculous time estimates.

Yes, 8-10 is likely their stated book time.

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[Andreasmkr]

Why the very short one at 9600 miles? Was that one based on time due to less driving?
Also will the dealer replacing the engine due a teardown analysis to find out why the low compression and failure? or are they sending it back to Germany or anything like that?
It will be interesting to see what is the problem consider you have also failed rings/pistons or valves as well. I could understand how any wear metals...piston rings etc could get in and clog the strainer and cause the turbo failure, but what is causing the ring failure to begin with?

That is correct, less driving so the oil change happened on time not milage.
The insurance company is paying for the engine replacement, not Audi. So they probably sell it or scrap it. Has nothing to do with Audi.

As why they don't rebuild it or replace it with with a rebuild engine; Audi germany does not rebuild that engine anymore(Wondering if they know of a design flaw with the engine?) hmmm

[MattyMarkey]

Why would I need to be a healthcare lobbyist?

If it's a net positive on the balance sheet than yeah it's free. I have relatives who, thanks to healthcare availability, ended up being able to work and paying taxes and enjoy life for 4+ decades. That is free, my friend.

Well clearly you wanted to, otherwise you wouldn't have replied to the point about healthcare

Oh man, don't make me break out the Dictionary on you... Free - "Without cost or payment". You obviously aren't in the financial industry. Read the threads big guy - I didn't start on the healthcare wagon. I started by simply stating, nothing is for free (pretty much my exact words I believe)... then you decided to go on a tangent. Glad healthcare has helped you and your family, it has also done wonders for mine. Yay, we both win!

Good Day, Sir!

[bknewtype]

Legit feel like im driving a ticking time bomb now lol.


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