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    Brakes for 400whp

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    Hey Iím building a Quattro b6 1.8t to 400whp+ and wondering what bigger brake kits you guys would recommend, Iím not exactly shooting for Brembo because itís like $3,000 if Iím correct and that feels like a little much for a DD 400awhp. Not exactly trying to stop at 100mph on city streets lol. Let me know guys


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    Quote Originally Posted by b6Hate4 View Post
    17z kit from rotorlab. Done.
    This doesnít look like a bad deal OP, but if you are comfortable breaking down a set of calipers you can do 17zís cheaper if you get refurbs off partsgeek.net and bring them to your local powder coater. If the car is just a daily and wonít see track time though, I would go for a b7 s4 setup with quality pads/rotors.


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    Quote Originally Posted by b6Hate4 View Post
    17z kit from rotorlab. Done.
    How do I buy them? Do I have to contact rotorlab directly??


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    Are HP2's good enough with ceramic pads?? 2.7t k04 stage 3. I just assumed it would be fine.
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    $30 ceramic pads. I don't race my car but I'm plenty hard on the brakes daily and have yet to have any issues, fade, or pulsating. Big expensive brakes may look cool and help build up your ego but for those who don't care about how it looks sometimes it's best just to go with what's cheap.

    I have a pair of these calipers with stock rotors that I would sell for $100 shipped with the same ceramic pads that I've been using. I could even powdercoat them for you in whatever color you want and rebuild with new seals for extra $. 20190610_160414.jpeg

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    Depending on wheel size go with either 17Z or 18Zs for the front. They're cheap off car-part or eBay or sometimes the AZ classifieds. For the rear, find some B6/B7 rear calipers and carriers (sub $300 all in).
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    Quote Originally Posted by 19jdog View Post
    Are HP2's good enough with ceramic pads?? 2.7t k04 stage 3. I just assumed it would be fine.
    Hp2ís are a pretty good upgrade over stock, but they are not the best brakes...pads are expensive, and dollar for dollar youíre nearly at 17z price all said and done once you rebuild them, stainless lines ect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjvwg View Post
    This doesnít look like a bad deal OP, but if you are comfortable breaking down a set of calipers you can do 17zís cheaper if you get refurbs off partsgeek.net and bring them to your local powder coater. If the car is just a daily and wonít see track time though, I would go for a b7 s4 setup with quality pads/rotors.


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    The partsgeek calipers end up being more expensive after the core charge if Iím not mistaken. Tacks on $250/ caliper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfe2118 View Post
    $30 ceramic pads. I don't race my car but I'm plenty hard on the brakes daily and have yet to have any issues, fade, or pulsating. Big expensive brakes may look cool and help build up your ego but for those who don't care about how it looks sometimes it's best just to go with what's cheap.

    I have a pair of these calipers with stock rotors that I would sell for $100 shipped with the same ceramic pads that I've been using. I could even powdercoat them for you in whatever color you want and rebuild with new seals for extra $. 20190610_160414.jpeg

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    Iím honestly going for something more flashy because Iím trying to freshen up the exterior. Itís on 19ís and the brakes are just too small lol.
    Also want the performance because I may track it a couple times.


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    Quote Originally Posted by b6Hate4 View Post
    The partsgeek calipers end up being more expensive after the core charge if Iím not mistaken. Tacks on $250/ caliper.
    $50 per caliper. Total cost is 137.50 for each, but I forgot that they didnít come with the crossover tubes...that was an extra 50. So by the time I had mine powder coated I was only about $25 cheaper than the rotor lab cost. Either way one of those options is way better than buying some beat to shit used ones. Usually people are asking $400 if not more for those.


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    Big question is what are you planning on using the car for. Street driver with an occasional blast? Do ever plan on tracking the car. For drag racing you only need to stop once.... Almost anything will do. Just a set of A4 B7 brakes is a huge improvement S4 brakes are even better and more than fine for a street only car. The other part is is it also a looks thing.. Nice brakes cool looking calipers.

    The more rotor you put on the more more inertia...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin C View Post
    Big question is what are you planning on using the car for. Street driver with an occasional blast? Do ever plan on tracking the car. For drag racing you only need to stop once.... Almost anything will do. Just a set of A4 B7 brakes is a huge improvement S4 brakes are even better and more than fine for a street only car. The other part is is it also a looks thing.. Nice brakes cool looking calipers.

    The more rotor you put on the more more inertia...
    I definitely want to track it :} but daily driving is going to be a great majority of it. Looked into rotorlab and looks like under 1,200 I could have a flashy BBK. Which seems Unbelievable.


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    I have some 3.0 brake caliper brackets for sale if interested. 312/255 (F/R). You use the same calipers, just need to add rotors. I have a set of lightly used StopTech slotted or drilled rotors as well.
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    I have 17Z calipers on my car. Definitely the best upgrade. Using Benz 330mm rotors. I had to get the ears milled on the calipers iirc took 2 or 3mm off to make sure the offset was correct. However you can b8 s4 rotors or volvo v70r rotors as well. B8 s4 rotors are 28mm thickness so not ideal. Volvo rotors just need the lug nut holes enlarged due to different pcd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EuroxS4 View Post
    I have 17Z calipers on my car. Definitely the best upgrade. Using Benz 330mm rotors. I had to get the ears milled on the calipers iirc took 2 or 3mm off to make sure the offset was correct. However you can b8 s4 rotors or volvo v70r rotors as well. B8 s4 rotors are 28mm thickness so not ideal. Volvo rotors just need the lug nut holes enlarged due to different pcd.
    Whatís the main difference between 17z and 18z??


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    Quote Originally Posted by pupkorn View Post
    Whatís the main difference between 17z and 18z??


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    17z are 330mm, 18z are 350mm. You cannot use b8 s4 rotors for the 17zís. Best rotor options for the 17z are the Volvo rotors or 2 piece rotors. I would not recommend the mercedes rotors for the 17zís as they arenít the right thickness. Volvo rotors will require you to have a machine shop take some material off the mounting ears to center the rotors up.


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    No one has mentioned it yet in this thread but you could also run the 4 piston Q5/Macao brakes. If I remember correctly you can use unmodified b8 s4/Q5 rotors with those on the b6.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jjvwg View Post
    17z are 330mm, 18z are 350mm. You cannot use b8 s4 rotors for the 17zís. Best rotor options for the 17z are the Volvo rotors or 2 piece rotors. I would not recommend the mercedes rotors for the 17zís as they arenít the right thickness. Volvo rotors will require you to have a machine shop take some material off the mounting ears to center the rotors up.
    So 17mm would be pleeenty for daily driving and tracking occasionally..? because rotorlab sells 17z and 18z. 17z being alittle cheaper ofcourse.. but if Iím going for the bigger brake look, it would be better to go with 18z?


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    Quote Originally Posted by pupkorn View Post
    So 17mm would be pleeenty for daily driving and tracking occasionally..? because rotorlab sells 17z and 18z. 17z being alittle cheaper ofcourse.. but if Iím going for the bigger brake look, it would be better to go with 18z?


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    I have tracked my 17z setup with EBC yellowstuff and they were great. That being said I think the 18zís have a slight advantage over the 17z due to the fact that the pistons are slightly smaller which probably plays a little nicer with the A4 master cylinder. They also have the ML55 rotor option that can be used which is the correct thickness and the only modification is opening the center bore 1mm. Only downside over the 17z is you have to run 18Ē wheels. I run the Q5 brakes on my b8 and they are also nice. If I had to do it again I would have gone with one of those over the 17z personally, but the 17z price was hard to beat.


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    You got your 17zís from rotorlab?


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    Quote Originally Posted by pupkorn View Post
    You got your 17zís from rotorlab?


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    No, I bought mine through partsgeek


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    Quote Originally Posted by jjvwg View Post
    17z are 330mm, 18z are 350mm. You cannot use b8 s4 rotors for the 17zís. Best rotor options for the 17z are the Volvo rotors or 2 piece rotors. I would not recommend the mercedes rotors for the 17zís as they arenít the right thickness. Volvo rotors will require you to have a machine shop take some material off the mounting ears to center the rotors up.


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    Depends which Benz rotors your using the rotors I have have 32 or 34mm thickness I believe they are from e350


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    Quote Originally Posted by jjvwg View Post
    I have tracked my 17z setup with EBC yellowstuff and they were great. That being said I think the 18zís have a slight advantage over the 17z due to the fact that the pistons are slightly smaller which probably plays a little nicer with the A4 master cylinder. They also have the ML55 rotor option that can be used which is the correct thickness and the only modification is opening the center bore 1mm. Only downside over the 17z is you have to run 18Ē wheels. I run the Q5 brakes on my b8 and they are also nice. If I had to do it again I would have gone with one of those over the 17z personally, but the 17z price was hard to beat.


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    Not true you can run 17z calipers with 17Ē wheels I am doing just that 17z calipers with stock 17Ē sport wheels. 18Z with 18Ē minimum. That being said 17Z are the better calipers bigger pistons bigger surface area even when compared to 18Z. As far as the master goes as long as you donít go crazy with the rear 17Z are awesome.Also q5 calipers are 4 piston not 6.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EuroxS4 View Post
    Depends which Benz rotors your using the rotors I have have 32 or 34mm thickness I believe they are from e350


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    Probably 32mm as that is the correct thickness for the 17z, 34mm is the 18z rotor thickness. Should have specified I was talking about the C230 rotors but thatís typically the MB rotor people will run on the 17z.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jjvwg View Post
    Probably 32mm as that is the correct thickness for the 17z, 34mm is the 18z rotor thickness. Should have specified I was talking about the C230 rotors but thatís typically the MB rotor people will run on the 17z.


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    Yeah no c230 are 28mm thick I believe so are b8 s4 rotors.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EuroxS4 View Post
    Not true you can run 17z calipers with 17Ē wheels I am doing just that 17z calipers with stock 17Ē sport wheels. 18Z with 18Ē minimum. That being said 17Z are the better calipers bigger pistons bigger surface area even when compared to 18Z. As far as the master goes as long as you donít go crazy with the rear 17Z are awesome.Also q5 calipers are 4 piston not 6.


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    Never said you couldnít, that was one of my selling points on going with the 17z since I had an extra set of b5 Avusís for my car.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EuroxS4 View Post
    Yes c230 are 28mm thick I believe so are b8 s4 rotors. E350 are 32mm.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EuroxS4 View Post
    Yeah no c230 are 28mm thick I believe so are b8 s4 rotors.


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    Yea, the c230 are 28mm, canít remember what the b8 s4/Q5 rotor thickness is.


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    b6 s4 rotors can be run with 18z, rotor lab will modify the caliper mounting face to center rotor. you use the 17z pads so there is no overlap from the 345 rotor.

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    they are just as capable now as they ever where, they where used on the heavier URS cars. they are pricey compared to 17/18z and Q5 brembos. they also require adapters to mount up I believe

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjvwg View Post
    Yea, the c230 are 28mm, canít remember what the b8 s4/Q5 rotor thickness is.


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    32mm. Think macan 4 pot are a great option. Cost under $500 new. + whatever rotors ya want(345mm) and,mk2 lines and your done. Love mine. And no modifying calipers, or rotors(like 17z, etc) just swap.0607191652.jpeg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast4esT View Post
    they are just as capable now as they ever where, they where used on the heavier URS cars. they are pricey compared to 17/18z and Q5 brembos. they also require adapters to mount up I believe
    Ok thanks for the answer.

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    I was using the 1LE Brembos and the V70R toros as per the DIY(actually bought the kit from the DIY) and those were fine on a B6 with the 2.7t swap. Plenty of stopping power and easier pad changes.

    I will be selling the S8 D2 calipers and brackets I got from here if you're interested. Nothing wrong with the kit, just going a different route and selling the car


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    Quote Originally Posted by shurur9 View Post
    Ok thanks for the answer.

    Another question if you all please...as I looked on the rotor lab site.

    Wishful thinking...

    Q: Do any of these kits work with the 16" audi wheels?
    Not that I know of. The macans fit under my stock 17" split 5's. But need like 2mm-3mm spacer. 16's don't have much room behind.

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