Abt tuning power module

[Sturn992]

Anyone on here use the ABT ECU upgrade? I’m looking for info on how it drives and maybe some dragy numbers 0-60 and 1/4 mile

[Mr. Three]

Probably few if any. It is probably roughly the same type of equipment that the other Piggyback boxes use for much increased ABT pricing. Can't go wrong with the JB4 or DT Sytems box which give you the same or better, with much better support. ABT will have an Amercian distributor but the original version of their box is probably set for higher than average European Octane levels and won't offer an ability to custom program. Probably a well put together product though; ABT does nice stuff.

[Sturn992]

There are a few exceptions, ABT offers a warranty. And proven numbers. JB4 can’t do that and is not for sale in Ca where I live. If by chance someone on here has used this option I would love to hear about it.
I won’t be using a JB4 any time soon and the shifting issues with the Dtuk box will keep me away from that unit.

[thermobryan]

It's bigggg dollars too. $2490 each for a tuner....

The ABT Power Upgrade is available for some of the most popular Audi models: The output of the current generation Audi S4, S5 and SQ5 is increased from 349 HP / 369 lb-ft to approx. 419 HP / 405 lb-ft*. The RS5 Coupe and Sportback (model year 2018+) receive a special performance treatment that includes an additional water radiator and air inlet cover to boost the cars from 444 HP / 443 lb-ft to approx. 503 HP/501 lb-ft*. Two of the most recent additions to the ABT Power family are also available for North America: The 2019 A6 and A7 are upgraded from 335 HP / 369 lb-ft to approx. 419 HP/405 lb-ft *. Power upgrades for other available Audi models can be found on the website www.abt-america.com/prices-and-info/.

I looked into it, wayyyy too much $$

https://abt-america.com/fileadmin/pr...Audi_A4_S4.pdf

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There are a few exceptions, ABT offers a warranty. And proven numbers. JB4 can’t do that and is not for sale in Ca where I live. If by chance someone on here has used this option I would love to hear about it.
I won’t be using a JB4 any time soon and the shifting issues with the Dtuk box will keep me away from that unit.

You can buy the JB4 in CA.....I got one.....government cant stop me....

[Johann@Carbnlab]

There is already a bunch of 1/4 mile passes made with the jb4 on various maps so saying there is no proven numbers is not true. We already explained to you in the jb4 thread why dyno charts are pointless to compare one piggy to another. The abt power module is not the most popular option for obvious reasons also already discussed so dragy runs are going to be hard to find.

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[Sturn992]

I’m talking numbers the manufacture backs. Sure the JB4 can do cool stuff if you want to chop up you new car and run meth and mix your gas, I’m not that guy I purchased a nice car and I want a nice turnkey solution. The ABT make the most sense to me because it doesn’t rely on E30 gas or meth injection (although meth injection has plenty other benefits).I truly hope APR can crack this ECU but the odds are not in their favor at this point. The next gen S4/S5/SQ5/RS5 will be here before they get a solution.

[thermobryan]

I’m talking numbers the manufacture backs. Sure the JB4 can do cool stuff if you want to chop up you new car and run meth and mix your gas, I’m not that guy I purchased a nice car and I want a nice turnkey solution. The ABT make the most sense to me because it doesn’t rely on E30 gas or meth injection (although meth injection has plenty other benefits).I truly hope APR can crack this ECU but the odds are not in their favor at this point. The next gen S4/S5/SQ5/RS5 will be here before they get a solution.

Oh boy...you're in the wrong place then lol. Disconnecting/connecting a couple cables isn't that major. You dont need to run Meth or mix gas, you can run on a standard map and make an easy 50+ hp on map 2/3.

[Diokhan]

Anyone on here use the ABT ECU upgrade? I’m looking for info on how it drives and maybe some dragy numbers 0-60 and 1/4 mile

Search ABT in the B9 A5/S5/RS5 section. Tommy@nemesis has one, as do a few others. There's a few threads about them over there.

[Johann@Carbnlab]

I’m talking numbers the manufacture backs. Sure the JB4 can do cool stuff if you want to chop up you new car and run meth and mix your gas, I’m not that guy I purchased a nice car and I want a nice turnkey solution. The ABT make the most sense to me because it doesn’t rely on E30 gas or meth injection (although meth injection has plenty other benefits).I truly hope APR can crack this ECU but the odds are not in their favor at this point. The next gen S4/S5/SQ5/RS5 will be here before they get a solution.

You are really misinformed on the subject I suggest you keep on reading before spreading false information about products that you don't even how they work. Mixing gas and running meth has nothing to do with the jb4 itself, it has to do with running high boost which is only possible with the jb4 but you don't HAVE to. Like thermo said, you can run map 2 or 3 which would be equivalent to what the ABT offers plus you can log what it's doing to your brand new car. I hope you enjoy your 2400$ boost controller...

[mobE]

You are really misinformed on the subject I suggest you keep on reading before spreading false information about products that you don't even how they work. Mixing gas and running meth has nothing to do with the jb4 itself, it has to do with running high boost which is only possible with the jb4 but you don't HAVE to. Like thermo said, you can run map 2 or 3 which would be equivalent to what the ABT offers plus you can log what it's doing to your brand new car. I hope you enjoy your 2400$ boost controller...

But it cost more so it has to be mour bettererr 😜

[Sturn992]

Yeah it’s crazy for me to trust someone who offers a warranty.

[B9RS4.SedanNow]

Yeah it’s crazy for me to trust someone who offers a warranty.

In January of 2019, Sean Doyle at TagMotorsports told me that for an install in California ABT makes you sign a warranty waiver because we only have 91 Octane here. ABT piggy is designed for 93. FWIW, Sean said they’ve had no issues except it makes less power on 91 octane.

If someone is telling you otherwise either this policy has changed or they’ve never installed one in Cali. Call Sean at TagMotorsports they’ve done more ABT piggies than anyone else. Not saying much because it’s not popular.

Here’s the contact info Sean Doyle 760-741-9300;x1191.

I was strongly considering the ABT, but I just love the map control with the JB4. I know everyone here will say it’s sacrilege, but I’ve been playing with the Valet MAP on 91 and I’ve managed to average 28 mpg combined which is pretty good for this car. That said on map 6 with E35 I’ve seen at low as 8 mpg in the city when really flogging the car.

Most of the time I’m just on Map 2 with 91. 0-60 takes alittle under 4 secs which is faster than my DTUK was on 91 octane.

I’ve seen 3.6 on e35 and map 6. Ran an 11.6 1/4. My car is all stock except the JB4 and IE intercooler.

[B9RS4.SedanNow]

This is on map 2 with 91 octane on a warm day. No timing pull on the log.

[Paintedblack]

In January of 2019, Sean Doyle at TagMotorsports told me that for an install in California ABT makes you sign a warranty waiver because we only have 91 Octane here. ABT piggy is designed for 93. FWIW, Sean said they’ve had no issues except it makes less power on 91 octane.

If someone is telling you otherwise either this policy has changed or they’ve never installed one in Cali. Call Sean at TagMotorsports they’ve done more ABT piggies than anyone else. Not saying much because it’s not popular.

Here’s the contact info Sean Doyle 760-741-9300;x1191.

I was strongly considering the ABT, but I just love the map control with the JB4. I know everyone here will say it’s sacrilege, but I’ve been playing with the Valet MAP on 91 and I’ve managed to average 28 mpg combined which is pretty good for this car. That said on map 6 with E35 I’ve seen at low as 8 mpg in the city when really flogging the car.

Most of the time I’m just on Map 2 with 91. 0-60 takes alittle under 4 secs which is faster than my DTUK was on 91 octane.

I’ve seen 3.6 on e35 and map 6. Ran an 11.6 1/4. My car is all stock except the JB4 and IE intercooler.

You ran 11.6 s 1/4 mile on map2 with 91? Or you talking bout someone else on E35?

Are you able to run map3 on 91?

[B9RS4.SedanNow]

You ran 11.6 s 1/4 mile on map2 with 91? Or you talking bout someone else on E35?

Are you able to run map3 on 91?

I’ve never tried to run map 3 on 91, but I might be able to do it. I have a hard anodized IE FMIC so I can get my IATs down to 6-8 degrees over ambient at times.

I’ve gotten below 4s 0-60 on Map2 with 91 octane.

The best I’ve ever run at Irwindale was a 3.6 0-60 and 11.6s 1/4 et on Map 6 with E35 fuel.

It was a cool Thursday night in OC just under 65 degrees. WG ADPT to 65. Duty bias upto to 65

Fuel loop opened to 100 and progressive mapped to 8 PSI over stock with failsafe of 26.

Exhaust valves unplugged. Pedal box to full tilt race mode. Traction control completely off ESC off.

Fairly new 255 Pzeros all the way around which are now toast BTW after only 6k miles of use.

The car hit max of 25.6 psi of boost in 4th gear at 104 MPH. Final ET was 11.61 @ 116.8 mph.

It was probably the most amazing launch that I’ve gotten in this car to date, but I felt like it really ran out of gas when I hit 5th. It just couldn’t build the boost back quickly enough. I think this is the best the stock turbo can do.

My average time is closer to 12s at 113.

Based on my numbers and slips. I think the car would be making 375 at the wheels if I were to put her on a mustang dyno. Probably closer to 440 at the crank. May be a lot more on a dynojet but who knows if that means anything anyway.

I feel like my numbers are on par with other cars out there with the stock turbo.

Speaking of ABT again. Would love to know if their numbers are MD or Dynojet.

[Mr. Three]

Thats a nice data set for those of us on crap California 91 octane. Thanks for sharing. I am trying to maximize the car for 91 since I don't have good opportunity for E-whatever and don't want to mess with meth...both of which make the car faster I know...

[B9RS4.SedanNow]

Thats a nice data set for those of us on crap California 91 octane. Thanks for sharing. I am trying to maximize the car for 91 since I don't have good opportunity for E-whatever and don't want to mess with meth...both of which make the car faster I know...

You can’t find E85? It’s everywhere around me. We have 8 stations in SD. Most of our stations are regular stations like shell or chevron that contract with Pearson or Propel to provide the E85. I didnt realize how many we had until I really started looking. I use 4.5 gallons of E85 and rest is 91.

Biggest issue I’ve had with the stock turbo turning out these numbers is oil temp. I routinely see high 220 and low 230s. I’m told that the SRM hybrid will alleviate some of that... but I really want to see pure’s hybrid before I pull the trigger.

The SRM is making 425 to 450 at the wheels with the JB4, but the torque doesn’t really roll on until above 2k RPM.

The best thing about the JB4 and the stock turbo is that the torque comes on so hard now so low in the rev range that I barely notice the “D” transmission mode lag now.

[Johann@Carbnlab]

You can’t find E85? It’s everywhere around me. We have 8 stations in SD. Most of our stations are regular stations like shell or chevron that contract with Pearson or Propel to provide the E85. I didnt realize how many we had until I really started looking. I use 4.5 gallons of E85 and rest is 91.

Biggest issue I’ve had with the stock turbo turning out these numbers is oil temp. I routinely see high 220 and low 230s. I’m told that the SRM hybrid will alleviate some of that... but I really want to see pure’s hybrid before I pull the trigger.

The SRM is making 425 to 450 at the wheels with the JB4, but the torque doesn’t really roll on until above 2k RPM.

The best thing about the JB4 and the stock turbo is that the torque comes on so hard now so low in the rev range that I barely notice the “D” transmission mode lag now.

Sure if you want all the torque available as early as 2k rpm a big turbo wont provide that but if you fear about lag be reassured, the gtx35 is not a laggy turbo. Also, the numbers posted by eurocode are very conservative, low boost and no meth. Currently my car is making over 500awhp and the turbo still have more to give. The ceiling is not the turbo, it's the map sensor.

That being said, I feel like the pure turbo is a great option but it's not on the same level as gtx. Price is hard to beat and I would never suggest anyone against it.

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[Sturn992]

I’ve been in contact with ABT USA and a shop in SoCal that is using it on their shop car. I have never been told I need to sign a waiver. I’m not saying the JB4 is bad. This forum is clearly has a lot of love for the box and I have never read anything bad about it. I have stated it’s just not for me.

[B9RS4.SedanNow]

I’ve been in contact with ABT USA and a shop in SoCal that is using it on their shop car. I have never been told I need to sign a waiver. I’m not saying the JB4 is bad. This forum is clearly has a lot of love for the box and I have never read anything bad about it. I have stated it’s just not for me.

I understand and I can relate. Everyone talked about how great the DTUK was and I believed it to my own detriment.

I’m just trying to make you aware that your warranty will still likely be void with ABT. I wouldn’t take it to a dealer with any piggy including the ABT. Even ABTs site makes a point to say the aerodynamic parts won’t void the warranty.

Why would they make that point if the tune box didn’t void your warranty. I don’t see anywhere on their site that they say they will honor the factory warranty if you blow the motor.

What is clear is that ABT is designed for 93 octane which we don’t have here in Cali which may or may not be an issue depending on conditions. Moreover, you won’t make the power that they are guarantee on 91 octane. FWIW I think you could probably remedy that by adding a gallon of E85 to your tank, and I don’t think the ABT will be that hard to remove in case of a warranty claim.

My other big worry with ABT is that they collaborated closely with Audi which is why they were the first to have a tune, and they require your VIN to sell you a tuning box. I’m concerned that they might have made a deal with Audi to divulge all VINs in case a warranty claim to get early access to build their piggy. To be fair, I know that sounds very conspiracy theory nut jobish, but I wouldn’t put it past them.

If I were you I’d really think hard about using anyone other than TAG motorsports for the ABT module if that’s the route you’re going. They are building all of the ABT RS5-Rs for the US and have done most of the ABT boxes for the US on B9 S4s to date.

If you’d like to see the email chain discussion of the waiver letter PM me your email address and I’ll forward it to you.

If you change your mind I’d be happy to meet up with you so you can see the JB4. It takes me 15 min to install it and 5 min to remove. You don’t have to hack up the car as you put it. You just have to cut the tip off the firewall accessory wire nipple to run the OBD wire trough the fire wall which is what that nipple was meant for (running extra wires from cabin to engine bay). I’m happy to demonstrate the process to you in person and even let you drive my car.

If you do still get the ABT you won’t be able to see your IATs without a P3 OBD vent gauge which I would recommend you get to know when it’s safe to really flog the car. Also, I would recommend an empiric intercooler upgrade to be safe.

In fact, I would recommend an intercooler upgrade even if you were staying stock. I’ve seen IATs in the 140s on stock tune with stock IC.

[Mr. Three]

All the above is good advice. I understand wanting to do something different...and I don't think you would ever need your included ABT warranty given a safe piggyback....but if something did, I can imagine it would be a pain in the ass. Especially given the cost of the ABT; I cannot stress the value of a good amount of data within a community to help you in your tuning...which the JB4 is gaining above any other tuning solution on the market for this car.

[Sturn992]

I do appreciate all the support that is out here for the JB4, I even use draggy and see the add every time I decide to double check that my car is still fast. I basically equate the JB4 to Linux it works great and if you know what your doing it’s absolutely amazing, ABT is apple it doesn’t do anything super special and it costs an arm and a leg but it works and works well. I’m a Linux user at work and don’t want to fall down any more rabbit holes to take my time away from my family. I know myself and if I can tinker with something I will and I will eventually melt it down. So while I may and I do say may because I may not spend the money I don’t want anything I can spend countless hours modifying in the garage only to leave my family wondering where the hell did he go for days on end.
If your wondering why I didn’t mention windows well I’ll leave that up to your imagination. ;-)

[B9RS4.SedanNow]

I do appreciate all the support that is out here for the JB4, I even use draggy and see the add every time I decide to double check that my car is still fast. I basically equate the JB4 to Linux it works great and if you know what your doing it’s absolutely amazing, ABT is apple it doesn’t do anything super special and it costs an arm and a leg but it works and works well. I’m a Linux user at work and don’t want to fall down any more rabbit holes to take my time away from my family. I know myself and if I can tinker with something I will and I will eventually melt it down. So while I may and I do say may because I may not spend the money I don’t want anything I can spend countless hours modifying in the garage only to leave my family wondering where the hell did he go for days on end.
If your wondering why I didn’t mention windows well I’ll leave that up to your imagination. ;-)

I hear ya.

Still I wouldn’t just do the ABT module unless you have a vent gauge to tell u the IAT is ok. If you run 91 octane with the stock intercooler on a hot day you may just find out why ABT wants you to use 93 octane.

If I were you, I would go ahead and do the intercooler along with the ABT module if you can swing it. Any aftermarket intercooler is better than stock. I did the Integrated Engineering one because it’s the same size as APR just cheaper.

[B9RS4.SedanNow]

Sure if you want all the torque available as early as 2k rpm a big turbo wont provide that but if you fear about lag be reassured, the gtx35 is not a laggy turbo. Also, the numbers posted by eurocode are very conservative, low boost and no meth. Currently my car is making over 500awhp and the turbo still have more to give. The ceiling is not the turbo, it's the map sensor.

That being said, I feel like the pure turbo is a great option but it's not on the same level as gtx. Price is hard to beat and I would never suggest anyone against it.

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I don’t think the SRM is laggy. The transmission is laggy. I’m afraid that if I put a turbo on it that doesn’t spool instantaneously, I’ll feel the transmission lag in drive mode again and will have to drive in sport all the time.

[Johann@Carbnlab]

I don’t think the SRM is laggy. The transmission is laggy. I’m afraid that if I put a turbo on it that doesn’t spool instantaneously, I’ll feel the transmission lag in drive mode again and will have to drive in sport all the time.

You have a point. I have been driving mine in sport since day one so I forgot how laggy the tranny is in drive

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[Sturn992]

Abt USA and abt Germany have both assured me I can run 91, the total power output will be down a little

[Sturn992]

I would like to upgrade the IC, when we hit 115 here in Sacramento that tiny stock one is going to suck