Allroad B8.5 - Bilstein B4 (s-line spec) with H&R lowering springs

[Das Ponto]

Yeah I had H&R springs on mine but wasn't low enough for me and like shown the rear didn't match up with the front. I am running ST coils now with 30mm spacer in rear.

Yup I need to go lower. And you need to paint that box ;) haha

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[fyp0506]

For around the same price of what you are looking at, you should take a look at the ST Coilovers. I purchased a set for my 2015 Allroad and I am very pleasantly surprised at the quality of the shocks and the ride quality.

I have owned all kinds of coilover setups including $10K custom Penskes. For a daily driver, these ST Coils are really impressive. Best price I found was on Amazon - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1.

How is your ride with the STs holding up? I tried the KW H.A.S on my 13 allroad with 20X10.5 wheels and they are way too bouncy . Also the front of the car started making a lot of squeaky noises after 500miles in...I'm thinking if I should switch to the STs since they are not that expensive to get, or maybe KW street comforts. Would really appreciate some advice from you guys.

[Nut]

How is your ride with the STs holding up? I tried the KW H.A.S on my 13 allroad with 20X10.5 wheels and they are way too bouncy . Also the front of the car started making a lot of squeaky noises after 500miles in...I'm thinking if I should switch to the STs since they are not that expensive to get, or maybe KW street comforts. Would really appreciate some advice from you guys.

Before you switch suspension, start by verifying if you are riding on your bump stops. If you haven't trim them during installation of your HAS kit, chances are that you're riding on your bump stops. The allroad bump stops (same as A4 standard suspension) is quite beefy: 81mm in front and 145mm in rear.

You can also swap them for S4 or A4 (sport suspension) bump stops.
S4 should be 66mm (8K0412131G) in front and 110mm (8K0512131D) in rear
A4 sport should be 72mm (8K0412131F) front and 118mm (8K0512131B) rear

Also depending on how low you had your HAS kit, you may be bottoming out on the allroad shocks.

[chip_]

Yup I need to go lower. And you need to paint that box ;) haha

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Box is off for the summer. It's usually only used during the winter.

[Das Ponto]

Box is off for the summer. It's usually only used during the winter.

Sounds like an excuse! Hahaha


I gotta take mine off for the bike racks again. Just need to get the pully system into place for storage.

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[darbyfam]

How is your ride with the STs holding up? I tried the KW H.A.S on my 13 allroad with 20X10.5 wheels and they are way too bouncy . Also the front of the car started making a lot of squeaky noises after 500miles in...I'm thinking if I should switch to the STs since they are not that expensive to get, or maybe KW street comforts. Would really appreciate some advice from you guys.

I still really, really like these coilovers. The ride is not bouncy AT ALL. Firm yet compliant. It's the nicest riding car I have ever owned (most of my cars has been lowered and I over-did the spring rates making them uncomfortable). I wish my S3 rode as well as my Allroad.

Also, I am on 19s with 255/40/19s which gives me some more tire than you - which helps with ride quality.

[fyp0506]

Before you switch suspension, start by verifying if you are riding on your bump stops. If you haven't trim them during installation of your HAS kit, chances are that you're riding on your bump stops. The allroad bump stops (same as A4 standard suspension) is quite beefy: 81mm in front and 145mm in rear.

You can also swap them for S4 or A4 (sport suspension) bump stops.
S4 should be 66mm (8K0412131G) in front and 110mm (8K0512131D) in rear
A4 sport should be 72mm (8K0412131F) front and 118mm (8K0512131B) rear

Also depending on how low you had your HAS kit, you may be bottoming out on the allroad shocks.

thanks bud definitely going to check the bump stop issue. and yes my front is set at pretty much one finger gap so I'd assume the shocks are not happy with the load.

[fyp0506]

I still really, really like these coilovers. The ride is not bouncy AT ALL. Firm yet compliant. It's the nicest riding car I have ever owned (most of my cars has been lowered and I over-did the spring rates making them uncomfortable). I wish my S3 rode as well as my Allroad.

Also, I am on 19s with 255/40/19s which gives me some more tire than you - which helps with ride quality.

I think I am going to pull the trigger on ST XAs (with rebound adjustability). would you think a softer rebound setting may slightly compensate for the bigger wheel? The KW street comforts are somehow back ordered here I think due to it being AR specific and not many people drive ARs here. but still curious what makes the KWs 500 hundred dollars more.

[Das Ponto]

I decided to not pursue the deal as the seller seems a little shady. First, no pic of the actual set, just a pic from the official Bilstein website. Then, no receipt... how does one buy a 3000$ suspension kit and not have a receipt?

Anyways...

Moving on: still on a quest for a suspension setup since mine is blown out.

It is now out of question that I would use a spring set that already has 80 000 km/4y of corrosion in them (it took only 96 000km/4y for mine to snap). I would like to reduce the chance of having this happen again.

I did a little more research on the feasibility of my original plan in OP (H&R allroad specs with Bilstein B4 for the Avant) to realize that it will not work. The only aftermarket shock that would work with the H&R allroad spec is the B4 allroad spec. I've been given the explanation that the front strut of the allroad is spec'd to have its spring perch 3/4in higher than the normal A4 (or avant, or S4). Since the springs are spec'd for the allroad, it takes that into account. Thus, people using A4 front struts end up with a slammed front (26 FTG instead of Das Ponto's 27 FTG) and the back stays at around 28 FTG (like Das Ponto's).

The person in the thread claiming that the Avant shock (rear only) made it drop the additional 1/2 could be right since I believe the rear shock absorber of the allroad should also be spec'd higher/longer. @Das Ponto You could try it if you want to drop you rear a 1/2" further for a more even F/R drop. Bilstein B4 are pretty cheap and the rear is somewhat of an easy job compared to the front. The rear OEM S-Line shock part number is 8T0513035M

My conclusion is: H&R allroad specs can only be used with allroad spec'd front struts. So if anyone is on a quest to find performance struts/shocks for their H&R allroad specs springs, you're pretty much out of luck since they don't make performance struts for the allroad spec. Only OE replacement. Will have to turn to Avant suspension (or coilover, or air).

Now that this is cleared up, I think I will look into a Bilstein B12 kit (or B8 + Eibach springs, same thing but just more expensive, since the B12 kit is like backorder in entire North-America).

Revisiting this. I think I'll be ordering the struts to swap out the oem ones next month now finally. 120k km on the car. Due for a refresh anyways. If I do front and rear should technically be a half inch drop all around right?

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[Nut]

If you keep the H&R in allroad specs and pair them with Bilstein B8 (or B4 sport version, which seems like the same as B8 from what I could gather) dampers for A4, you will end up with a weird rake. It has been done before by the person in the thread I posted in OP and results were 26"FTG front and 28"FTG rear... doesn't look good.

I recently did the following: Bilstein B8 dampers and Audi OEM S-Line avant springs. The ride height is very uniform (unlike the H&R allroad specs). You seem to have contact at Audi so sourcing a set of OEM S-Line avant springs shouldn't be too hard/expensive.

Most common S-Line srings set part numbers are:
Front: 8K0 411 105 EB -- 4 dots (Dark Pink, followed by 3 light pink)
Rear: 8K0 511 115 HB -- 3 dots (Green, Grey, Blue)

My specific set was from a Avant with adaptive damping and the part number/axle load rating are different:
Front: 8K0 411 105 DT -- 4 dots (Dark Pink, followed by 3 grey)
Rear: 8K0 511 115 GT -- 4 dots (Green, Grey, White, White)

I get 26.75" FTG front and back with empty car.

The car is loaded in this pic (and if you have a good eye there's a little bit of reverse rake cuz the trunk and roof box are packed).

[Das Ponto]

Thanks for the reply @nut! I knew you'd come through.

That looks damn near perfect.

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[dubjager]

If you keep the H&R in allroad specs and pair them with Bilstein B8 (or B4 sport version, which seems like the same as B8 from what I could gather) dampers for A4, you will end up with a weird rake. It has been done before by the person in the thread I posted in OP and results were 26"FTG front and 28"FTG rear... doesn't look good.

I recently did the following: Bilstein B8 dampers and Audi OEM S-Line avant springs. The ride height is very uniform (unlike the H&R allroad specs). You seem to have contact at Audi so sourcing a set of OEM S-Line avant springs shouldn't be too hard/expensive.

Part numbers are
Front: 8K0 411 105 EB -- 4 dots (Dark Pink, followed by 3 light pink)
Rear: 8K0 511 115 HB -- 3 dots (Green, Grey, Blue)

I get 26.75" FTG front and back with empty car.

The car is loaded in this pic (and if you have a good eye there's a little bit of reverse rake cuz the trunk and roof box are packed).

This is perfect.
I will need to look into buying these springs now. Question about the dots since you specify them- could the dots be different even if the part number is the same?
I was originally going to do the allroad H&R springs, have them bought and ready but this is much more my style.
Thank you!

[Mister W]

If you keep the H&R in allroad specs and pair them with Bilstein B8 (or B4 sport version, which seems like the same as B8 from what I could gather) dampers for A4, you will end up with a weird rake. It has been done before by the person in the thread I posted in OP and results were 26"FTG front and 28"FTG rear... doesn't look good.

I recently did the following: Bilstein B8 dampers and Audi OEM S-Line avant springs. The ride height is very uniform (unlike the H&R allroad specs). You seem to have contact at Audi so sourcing a set of OEM S-Line avant springs shouldn't be too hard/expensive.

Part numbers are
Front: 8K0 411 105 EB -- 4 dots (Dark Pink, followed by 3 light pink)
Rear: 8K0 511 115 HB -- 3 dots (Green, Grey, Blue)

I get 26.75" FTG front and back with empty car.

The car is loaded in this pic (and if you have a good eye there's a little bit of reverse rake cuz the trunk and roof box are packed).

The B8 shock you got, are they for Allroad or Avant sport suspension ? I'm getting a nose bleed with all the threads about not getting the lowering suspension right without having to give an arm and a leg to have the proper setup.

[Das Ponto]

Well 622lbs of sand in the back and it sits perfect.

Definitely think the bilsteins for the rear for an interim solution until coilovers will be a solid idea all thanks to Nuts extensive research.

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[Mister W]

I think I am going to pull the trigger on ST XAs (with rebound adjustability). would you think a softer rebound setting may slightly compensate for the bigger wheel? The KW street comforts are somehow back ordered here I think due to it being AR specific and not many people drive ARs here. but still curious what makes the KWs 500 hundred dollars more.

Hi Fyp0506, did you bought the ST XA finally? How's the ride? For winter setup, can you go high enough? thx

[raudimarv]

If you keep the H&R in allroad specs and pair them with Bilstein B8 (or B4 sport version, which seems like the same as B8 from what I could gather) dampers for A4, you will end up with a weird rake. It has been done before by the person in the thread I posted in OP and results were 26"FTG front and 28"FTG rear... doesn't look good.

I recently did the following: Bilstein B8 dampers and Audi OEM S-Line avant springs. The ride height is very uniform (unlike the H&R allroad specs). You seem to have contact at Audi so sourcing a set of OEM S-Line avant springs shouldn't be too hard/expensive.

Part numbers are
Front: 8K0 411 105 EB -- 4 dots (Dark Pink, followed by 3 light pink)
Rear: 8K0 511 115 HB -- 3 dots (Green, Grey, Blue)

I get 26.75" FTG front and back with empty car.

The car is loaded in this pic (and if you have a good eye there's a little bit of reverse rake cuz the trunk and roof box are packed).

This is a great setup man! Thanks for sharing. Can you confirm how the ride quality is and where the best place to source these springs would be? Having some trouble. Thanks!

[2d4J7@e78nLKN7q]

Yup I need to go lower. And you need to paint that box ;) haha

Where did you get your coils from? I just picked up my 2013 allroad with 88,000 miles and all 4 struts need replacing. They quoted me around $2,000 here in Los Angeles for struts + labor. Figured I'd just go coilovers at that point.

[Das Ponto]

Where did you get your coils from? I just picked up my 2013 allroad with 88,000 miles and all 4 struts need replacing. They quoted me around $2,000 here in Los Angeles for struts + labor. Figured I'd just go coilovers at that point.

Don't have any yet. But at 2k for stock ya get coilovers.

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[MacRoadie]

H&R Sport springs (28969-1)
Bilstein B8 shocks (24-145985 front, 24-145992 rear)

Happy with the look as it sits for now. At first I thought the front came down too far, but now that I see it in the daylight (just installed the suspension last night), I'm liking it more. I was aware of the possible rake issue before I installed, and the rear definitely came down less than H&R's estimated 1.4", but I'm going to withhold judgement until it has a chance to settle in some (although I doubt it will drop significantly) and I didn't want the ass in the weeds as I do carry people and stuff in the car and I don't want any rubbing. I definitely wanted to go with the Bilstein B8's for handling as well.

[djnuge]

Lots of great info, but man I'm confused.

[Nut]

Lots of great info, but man I'm confused.

What is it you are confused about?

[djnuge]

What is it you are confused about?

Confused about all of the different options. There are other threads that have info that contradicts some of the comments here. It's hard to tell what will be the most optimal option.

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[Nut]

Confused about all of the different options. There are other threads that have info that contradicts some of the comments here. It's hard to tell what will be the most optimal option.

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This thread talks about the specific springs set that is spec'd for Allroad, the H&R 28969-1 springs set, and how they pair with Bilstein shocks designed for the A4 avant (sport suspension).

The H&R springs 28969-1 are known to introduce a lower front/higher rear. Basically 5/8 to 3/4 inch lower in the front.

The conclusion I came to is that the H&R springs 28969-1 paired with the avant/sedan spec'd shocks would introduce an even more pronounced rake. And I think MacRoadie's pics confirmed it. That wouldn't work for me...But it works for him as he said he carries load in the rear.

The reason for the even more pronounced rake? Because the avant/sedan front shock is shorter. Much shorter than the Allroad.

Here are the Bilstein B8 ( 24-145985) and the OEM Allroad front shocks put side by side. You can open/download the image and zoom in to see the difference. You can see that there's a mark on the OEM Allroad shock where the suspension fork grabs on. The fork would grab just bellow the groove/stopper on the yellow B8 shock.

[Nut]

Das Ponto is running the H&R 28969-1 springs set with stock OEM Allroad shocks

MacRoadie is running the H&R 28969-1 springs set with Bilstein B8 shocks

And I'm not running the H&R 28969-1 springs set. My setup is OEM S-Line Avant springs paired with Bilstein B8 shocks.

[Das Ponto]

Das Ponto is running the H&R 28969-1 springs set with stock OEM Allroad shocks

MadRoadie is running the H&R 28969-1 springs set with Bilstein B8 shocks

And I'm not running the H&R 28969-1 springs set. My setup is OEM S-Line Avant springs paired with Bilstein B8 shocks.

On the ball.

To add to the mix I may attempt the B8 shocks in the rear to level out the H&R springs rake.

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[Nut]

On the ball.

To add to the mix I may attempt the B8 shocks in the rear to level out the H&R springs rake.

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Looking at MacRoadie's pics (with B8 + H&R in the rear) I think it won't lower the rear...

[Das Ponto]

Looking at MacRoadie's pics (with B8 + H&R in the rear) I think it won't lower the rear...

I thought he did B8s all around?

The rear is still higher in comparison to the front for sure. But not as high as my rear sits.

On second viewing you may be right. Can you post yours again? Might be time to just switch to thar set up haha.

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[Nut]

I thought he did B8s all around?

The rear is still higher in comparison to the front for sure. But not as high as my rear sits.

On second viewing you may be right. Can you post yours again? Might be time to just switch to thar set up haha.

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I used OEM S-Line springs from an Avant with adaptive damping (electronic suspension). He swapped his springs out for KW HAS to keep his adaptive damping and add lowering/adjustability which was a good move for him.

The spring code is different than the Avant without adaptive damping shocks.

My spring code is
Front: 8K0 411 105 DT -- 4 dots (Dark Pink, followed by 3 grey)
Rear: 8K0 511 115 GT -- 4 dots (Green, Grey, White, White)

Coupled with Bilstein B8 shocks for the A4 B8/8.5 avant/sedan (it's the same part for both body styles)
(24-145985 front, 24-145992 rear)

Final FTG is 26.5" after a few months of settling.

The spring codes for the more common S-Line Avant springs without adaptive damper is:
Front: 8K0 411 105 EB -- 4 dots (Dark Pink, followed by 3 light pink)
Rear: 8K0 511 115 HB -- 3 dots (Green, Grey, Blue)

This spring codes combo has been used widely on the forums by previous Allroad owners and they seem to settle at 27" FTG.

Here are all the spring codes for the S-Line suspension. Each load rating is about 30kg load difference. As you can see, my springs are set are 2 ratings lower than the common S-Line Avant springs set (without adaptive dampers).

You can move up or down in the load rating scale as long as you move equally in the front/rear to avoid rake issues. The S-Line suspension from the factory is spot on for eliminating any rake issues. It is something for them to carry a dozen of springs to fine tune the ride height according to original equipment/engine/options...



My springs set:

[Das Ponto]

Thanks man!

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[MacRoadie]

This thread talks about the specific springs set that is spec'd for Allroad, the H&R 28969-1 springs set, and how they pair with Bilstein shocks designed for the A4 avant (sport suspension).

The H&R springs 28969-1 are known to introduce a lower front/higher rear. Basically 5/8 to 3/4 inch lower in the front.

The conclusion I came to is that the H&R springs 28969-1 paired with the avant/sedan spec'd shocks would introduce an even more pronounced rake. And I think MacRoadie's pics confirmed it. That wouldn't work for me...But it works for him as he said he carries load in the rear.

The reason for the even more pronounced rake? Because the avant/sedan front shock is shorter. Much shorter than the Allroad.

Here are the Bilstein B8 ( 24-145985) and the OEM Allroad front shocks put side by side. You can open/download the image and zoom in to see the difference. You can see that there's a mark on the OEM Allroad shock where the suspension fork grabs on. The fork would grab just bellow the groove/stopper on the yellow B8 shock.

That is true, however the rear B8 shocks (24-145985) are also significantly shorter than OEM (which is why I think everyone says the B8's are specifically for use with lowering springs). The shock body is shorter, but the piston rod appears to be of identical length. I assume this means that while the overall length of the shock is shorter, but piston travel isn't compromised. I assume that means you don't need a shorter bump stop to accommodate shorter shock travel.

The rear H&R springs are also a full 2" shorter than OEM, so my guess is that H&R deliberately provided a much stiffer rear coil in order to accommodate the potential for more weight over or behind the rear axle on an allroad versus a sedan (same payload, but a more rearward eccentric loading characteristic) so they set up the springs with a higher preload. No matter the reason though, the rear sits significantly higher.



I'm at work now, but will send along my before and after FTG numbers in a few.

[MacRoadie]

I thought he did B8s all around?

The rear is still higher in comparison to the front for sure. But not as high as my rear sits.

On second viewing you may be right. Can you post yours again? Might be time to just switch to thar set up haha.

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Ok, here are the FTG numbers, both before and after:

Before:

FL: 28.8
FR: 29.0
RL: 29.2
RR: 28.8

After:

FL: 26.5
FR: 26.7
RL: 28
RR: 27.6

Total Drop:

FL: 2.3
FR: 2.3
RL: 1.2
RR: 1.2

As mentioned, I'm going to keep the rear where it is for now for 2 reasons: one, I do put people and stuff in the back (lots of road trips to bike races, etc) and two, because I can't get a roof mounted cross bar system that allows the sunroof to open, but doesn't look like ass, I may try a receiver mounted bike rack. I'm debating that too as I haven't found one that is as concealed as I'd like. If I do go hitch mounted rack, that will put even more weight cantilevered out behind the bumper. The rear still may go down a bit at sometime in the future and I'll look at possibly A4 or S4 rear H&R coils (more reseach needed).

[Das Ponto]

Ok, here are the FTG numbers, both before and after:

Before:

FL: 28.8
FR: 29.0
RL: 29.2
RR: 28.8

After:

FL: 26.5
FR: 26.7
RL: 28
RR: 27.6

Total Drop:

FL: 2.3
FR: 2.3
RL: 1.2
RR: 1.2

As mentioned, I'm going to keep the rear where it is for now for 2 reasons: one, I do put people and stuff in the back (lots of road trips to bike races, etc) and two, because I can't get a roof mounted cross bar system that allows the sunroof to open, but doesn't look like ass, I may try a receiver mounted bike rack. I'm debating that too as I haven't found one that is as concealed as I'd like. If I do go hitch mounted rack, that will put even more weight cantilevered out behind the bumper. The rear still may go down a bit at sometime in the future and I'll look at possibly A4 or S4 rear H&R coils (more reseach needed).

Yeah your rear is identical to mine at 28, but your fronts are roughly half an inch lower.

Not to get too sidetracked but There's two options for the Thule aeroblades. One is grind down the feet on the inside to clear the glass. Or make rubber feet spacers to bump them a little higher.

As for rear rack, go with the Northshore if you do a hitch rack. By far the best option. For me I'll keep my rocky mounts for the roof for now. The Q may get the Northshore.

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[MacRoadie]

Yeah, I like the Aeroblade crossbars themselves for sure, and I'd match them with a couple of Circuit fork mount racks. I had Yakima RailBars on my B6 and I LOVE the Yakima Forklift rack. Sleek and sexy (although a bit noisy), but It drops way too far below the crossbar, almost touching the glass on my Avant. All our ski, snowboard, hitch rack on my Land Rover, and all our cable locks are all matched SKS keyed and I had hoped to not go cross-platform. The Thule Circuit mount doesn't drop as far below the crossbar as the Yakima Forklift, so that's a nother big plus. It's also more streamlined than the Yakima.

As for the hitch rack, I've got a ton of industry buddies and reps (been in and around competitive cycling for nearly 40 years), so I might go with a Kuat rack, if I go that route (I'm a roadie).

[Das Ponto]

Yeah, I like the Aeroblade crossbars themselves for sure, and I'd match them with a couple of Circuit fork mount racks. I had Yakima RailBars on my B6 and I LOVE the Yakima Forklift rack. Sleek and sexy (although a bit noisy), but It drops way too far below the crossbar, almost touching the glass on my Avant. All our ski, snowboard, hitch rack on my Land Rover, and all our cable locks are all matched SKS keyed and I had hoped to not go cross-platform. The Thule Circuit mount doesn't drop as far below the crossbar as the Yakima Forklift, so that's a nother big plus. It's also more streamlined than the Yakima.

As for the hitch rack, I've got a ton of industry buddies and reps (been in and around competitive cycling for nearly 40 years), so I might go with a Kuat rack, if I go that route (I'm a roadie).

Ah roadie! Yeah Northshores no good for that haha.

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[Nut]

Yes, the B8 rear shocks is indeed shorter than the Allroad OEM. Here is a pic of them side by side.

However, the shorter shock has no impact on overall height of the rear end as the mounting points does not influence the height like the front assembly. The height of the rear is solely dictated by the spring and its spring rate. Whereas the front, the spring is actually mounted on the shock and thus a shorter shock/mounting point will have an influence on the overall height of the car. See the diagram of the rear.

[Nut]

For whoever else is reading this post for info...

My whole point is, when you put B8 shocks, you actually lower the front further (as they are shorter and the mounting point is shorter) while the rear is not impacted.

This further emphasizes (maybe by an additional 1/2 to 3/4 in.) the rake issue that was already present on the H&R 28969-1 spring set spec'd for Allroad.

And MacRoadie's measurement just confirms this. His front to rear rake is 1.5 inch while Das Ponto who is on stock Allroad shocks is around 0.8 inch rake.

[Das Ponto]

For whoever else is reading this post for info...

My whole point is, when you put B8 shocks, you actually lower the front further (as they are shorter and the mounting point is shorter) while the rear is not impacted.

This further emphasizes (maybe by an additional 1/2 to 3/4 in.) the rake issue that was already present on the H&R 28969-1 spring set spec'd for Allroad.

And MacRoadie's measurement just confirms this. His front to rear rake is around 1.3-1.5 inch while Das Ponto who is on stock Allroad shocks is around 0.8 inch rake.

Correct. Re measured this morning. Fronts 27.5 rears 28 ish (maybe a hair under now)

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[Nut]

Correct. Re measured this morning. Fronts 27.5 rears 28 ish (maybe a hair under now)

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I thought your front was more like 27 1/8 or something?

[Das Ponto]

I thought your front was more like 27 1/8 or something?

Maybe I was half asleep. Thought it was 27.5, could have been a bit less lol.


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[Nut]

Hence my conclusion (which I also updated the OP with): if you don't want the rake (MacRoadie is actually fine with it) to be further emphasized. Don't pair B8 or Avant/Sedan spec'd shocks (goes for the B4 as well, which was the original discussion in OP) with the H&R 28969-1 spring set spec'd for Allroad.

If you want performance shocks (Bilstein B8) for your Allroad and avoid the rake, you need to use another spring kit than the H&R 28969-1 spring set spec'd for Allroad because Bilstein doesn't have B8 shocks spec'd for the Allroad.

By the way, the B8 shocks ride quite nice. The suspension rebound feel is sharper and less "soft/mellow" much closer to what you would expect from a sport suspension rather than a SUV. It stiffen up the suspension. I tried a S4 (which essentially has the same springs than S-Line, just different weight rating) and I would say my car with B8 and S-Line springs is about maybe 25% sharper/faster/crisper/stiffer (however it's called) rebound. (solely based on feel, absolutely un-scientific)