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    M1 0w40 oil for 2.7t?

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    I currently use LM 5w30 in the car but thinking of swithcing to M1 0w40. Which one is preferred? I've read that many go with 0w40 for the 2.7t. I live in Sweden so the climate can be pretty cold in the winter and very hot in the summer. Specially in recent years.

    And how often do you change oil?
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    I run Liqui Moly Leichtlauf 5w-40 + Mann filters every 5000 miles for all of our cars. I add the Liqui Moly Ceratec additive approx. every 20,000 mi.

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    Ok, thanks. I know next to nothing about oils. But, the lower the first # is, the thinner it is in the winter. And the higher the second # is, the thicker it is in the summer. Is that correct?
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    I run nothing but 5w40 because I've never seen VW/Audi recommend anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AudiNike12 View Post
    Ok, thanks. I know next to nothing about oils. But, the lower the first # is, the thinner it is in the winter. And the higher the second # is, the thicker it is in the summer. Is that correct?
    Yes and no... first number is viscosity when cold, the other is viscosity when hot.

    Cold side changes with seasons but Hot side should be constant and around 100C which is the hot engine temp.

    Either 0w or 5w will work the same on our engine.

    Funny though that even within the same rated "first number" grade of oils, the viscosity is very different between brands. It is not uncommon to have 0w oil being as thick as 10w specs and vice versa. Use what works or is explicitly recommended and you're good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julex View Post
    Yes and no... first number is viscosity when cold, the other is viscosity when hot.

    Cold side changes with seasons but Hot side should be constant and around 100C which is the hot engine temp.

    Either 0w or 5w will work the same on our engine.

    Funny though that even within the same rated "first number" grade of oils, the viscosity is very different between brands. It is not uncommon to have 0w oil being as thick as 10w specs and vice versa. Use what works or is explicitly recommended and you're good.
    Thanks. This was helpful. I'm gonna try M1 FS 0w40 and see how it goes
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    Couple of differences in M1 oils between US and Europe. As a result of a precedent created by some lawsuit in 80's, in US is is legal to sell hydro-cracked base (group III) oil as synthetic. Most US Mobil1, unlike european M1, are total crap, fake synthetic oils, with couple exceptions. Essentially one exception, European formula 0w-40. There are also few exotic expensive M1 oils for high performance cars (such as 10w-60 M1), but these just imported from Europe anyways. What used to be sold in US as European formula 0w-40 was a decent oil, a mostly Group IV base oils that are full synthetic (polyalphaolefin) oil, with some Group III added. It was certified for ALL major German brands. At the end of 2015 Mobil reformulated their last good oil in US, and 3 months later BMW dropped their LL-01 approval from 0w-40 European Formula. No details available of what exactly was reformulated, either base stock ratio, or additives, but probably BMW did their homework taking certification away. What is known for sure, viscosity is lower at high temperatures after 2015 reformulation of 0w-40EF. Just curious, if OP can check for BMW LL-01 certification on M1 0w-40 sold in Europe. Even after cheapening, 0w-40 European Formula (make sure it says European Formula on the bottle), still better than rest of M1 oils. When on sale, I buy and use it in my stage 3 Allroad. But that is me, being cheap, and never going over 5K miles between oil change.
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    Since I live in Sweden, shouldn't I get the european M1? It says "protection formula" on it. It's this one:

    https://www.mobil1.se/motorolja/fs-0...ikationer#tabs
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    Mobil 1 ESP is better than Mobil 1 FS.
    Mobil 1 ESP = OLD formula, having BMW certification, better, more expensive oil, true group IV synthetic.
    Mobil 1 FS = NEW, cheaper formula, one has no BMW certification, equivalent of current Mobil 1 "european formula" in US.

    Your decision should be based on tune of your engine and how hard you push it. You maybe OK with cheaper stuff, especially with changing oil more frequently.
    If you have aggessive tune, push engine hard at higher temperatures, get more expensive oil, Mobil 1 ESP.

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    I hardly push it at all so I guess the FS oil is good enough. Planning on changing every 5000-7000miles. But I can't find the 502.00 specification on the ESP 0w40 oil. Is it approved?

    https://www.mobil1.se/motorolja/esp-...ikationer#tabs

    Edit: What about this one: https://products.liqui-moly.com/oils...y-0w-40-1.html

    We have that at work and it's recommended. Also has the BMW LL certification
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    I swear by Liqui Moly products! Good stuff! My local NAPA carries it and its rather affordable as well @ $38.00 per 5L jug. As an added bonus, I have a good buddy that hooks me up with a discount =$28.00 per 5L. Greatly appreciated!!

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    And y'all don't think the VW/Audi certification of 502 000 or higher is necessary? That's what the owners' manual tells you to use. I'd seriously like to know, I use 5W40 Castrol year round since that is all I can find with that certification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by n8henn View Post
    I swear by Liqui Moly products! Good stuff! My local NAPA carries it and its rather affordable as well @ $38.00 per 5L jug. As an added bonus, I have a good buddy that hooks me up with a discount =$28.00 per 5L. Greatly appreciated!!
    Brand means nothing. Under same brand name (similarly to Mobil 1), there could be different products. I do not know much about Liqui Moly, only that some enthusiast swear by it, except they usually fail to mention a specific product, which makes these endorsements pointless.
    Brief search shows at least 4 different Liqui Moly:
    Liqui Moly 2332 Leichtlauf
    Liqui Moly 2041 Premium
    Liqui Moly 20232 Molygen
    Liqui Moly 2050 Synthoil

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    As I said in a previous post, I run the Leichtlauf. I make no claims about knowing anything regarding chemical composition, just simply stating they have great offerings that I've used with great results.

    That being said....I used to run M1 FS years ago as well and was happy with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AudiNike12 View Post
    But I can't find the 502.00 specification on the ESP 0w40 oil. Is it approved?
    It's not approved by vag, nor does it fulfill any of their specifications.

    ESP 5w-30 on the other hand is approved to 504 00 / 507 00 by vag and fulfill the 502 00 / 503 00 / 503 01 specifications(not officially approved)

    I use the ESP 5W-30 in my 2.7t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailor83 View Post
    It's not approved by vag, nor does it fulfill any of their specifications.

    ESP 5w-30 on the other hand is approved to 504 00 / 507 00 by vag and fulfill the 502 00 / 503 00 / 503 01 specifications(not officially approved)

    I use the ESP 5W-30 in my 2.7t.
    M1 0w40 switched formulas and lost the bmw approvals. Also I seemed to notice it not being up to snuff or wearing/sheering faster by feel/ear. So I found out about the reformula and since switched to Castrol 0w-40.


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    Rotella T6 5W40 in everything now.

    It was on sale for like 13 bucks a gallon last year with a rebate.. limit 4.. I just had different family members order it for me :)
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    Castrol 0w-40 no longer has BMW LL01 approval.

    Mobil 1 FS 0w40 has a TBN of 12.6 and HTHS of 3.6 Those are great numbers. I'm not sure why people knock it so much.

    Motul XS 8100 5w40 has a HTHS of 3.7 and TBN of 10. Its only $40 /5L on Amazon and it has BMW LL01 approval. Although not sure why we are concerned with BMW approval that.

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    I would never go over 5000 miles in between oil changes. Sometimes I change the oil even at the 4000 mile mark, lol

    How is Castrol's European Formula 0W-40. I have a shipment on the way; I've used it before, but every 1500-2000 miles, need to top up.

    Quote Originally Posted by V1nny View Post
    Couple of differences in M1 oils between US and Europe. As a result of a precedent created by some lawsuit in 80's, in US is is legal to sell hydro-cracked base (group III) oil as synthetic. Most US Mobil1, unlike european M1, are total crap, fake synthetic oils, with couple exceptions. Essentially one exception, European formula 0w-40. There are also few exotic expensive M1 oils for high performance cars (such as 10w-60 M1), but these just imported from Europe anyways. What used to be sold in US as European formula 0w-40 was a decent oil, a mostly Group IV base oils that are full synthetic (polyalphaolefin) oil, with some Group III added. It was certified for ALL major German brands. At the end of 2015 Mobil reformulated their last good oil in US, and 3 months later BMW dropped their LL-01 approval from 0w-40 European Formula. No details available of what exactly was reformulated, either base stock ratio, or additives, but probably BMW did their homework taking certification away. What is known for sure, viscosity is lower at high temperatures after 2015 reformulation of 0w-40EF. Just curious, if OP can check for BMW LL-01 certification on M1 0w-40 sold in Europe. Even after cheapening, 0w-40 European Formula (make sure it says European Formula on the bottle), still better than rest of M1 oils. When on sale, I buy and use it in my stage 3 Allroad. But that is me, being cheap, and never going over 5K miles between oil change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arjun90 View Post
    I would never go over 5000 miles in between oil changes. Sometimes I change the oil even at the 4000 mile mark, lol

    How is Castrol's European Formula 0W-40. I have a shipment on the way; I've used it before, but every 1500-2000 miles, need to top up.
    How much are you topping up?

    Serious question because if you are putting in 1qt every 1500 miles by a 5k interval you have already swapped out half the oil. I bet an oil test would show you could go many thousand more miles. Even without top offs and even on these older engines 5k is usually the low end of OCI.
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