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    DIY FULL B5 Audi Driveshaft Rebuild

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    I’ve seen a couple threads out there that describe how to replace the center support bearing, but for my last build I picked up a driveshaft that had a blown u-joint in the middle and since that’s technically a “non-serviceable” part, there’s no information out there for how to replace it or where to even find a part. So here is the DIY FULL driveshaft rebuild! This was done on a B5 S4 manual driveshaft, but will apply to any B5 driveshaft.

    So let’s start with the CV joints. If you’re sure your CV joints are in good shape, then I like to wrap them in trash bags as soon as I pull the driveshaft off the car so they don’t get contaminated. They can stay on the ends of the driveshaft the whole time it’s being rebuilt, just make sure they’re wrapped up. If you want to change your CV joints, boots or just pull them off to clean them and re-grease them, all you have to do is remove the snap ring on the end of the driveshaft and then the whole CV joint can be slid off.

    First you want to mark your driveshaft so that it goes back together the same way. The driveshaft is balanced and if you reassemble it exactly the same, you won’t have to worry about rebalancing it. I used a white sharpie to mark mine in the image below.


    I like to start by splitting the driveshaft in half by removing the bolt in the center. It will make it easier to work on the u-joint later so the driveshaft isn’t hanging way off the press. This is the bolt I’m talking about:


    You’re going to want to do this to your 17mm wrench… Owning a B5 Audi, this matches half the other tools in my box lol


    Block the driveshaft from turning by placing a breaker bar here and then work that bolt loose with your modified 17mm wrench.


    You’ll have to loosen the bolt a little bit, and then hammer the driveshaft any way you can to get it to start separating… Then loosen the bolt a bit more, work the driveshaft further apart, and keep doing that until the bolt can fully be removed and the driveshaft can be separated into two pieces. There’s no pretty way to do this besides beating the center of the driveshaft with a hammer and extension or anything to get it to pull apart.




    Now you can get the trashed center bearing off. I used my press to do this, but you don’t need to, you can wedge a tool in there and hammer it off. I tightened up my bearing splitter between the center bearing and driveshaft (being careful to only clamp the bearing and not the driveshaft) and pressed it off like so.





    Also keep track of the orientation of your center bearing, it can only go back on one way.

    And now the fun part… Some people have changed u-joints without a press, but I’m telling you right now, if you don’t have any kind of shop press for this part, you will hate your life. First mark your driveshaft and yoke so that you can reassemble it the same way to keep the driveshaft balance. It’s a little tricky to remove the old u-joint and I only took pictures of how I removed it from the yoke, but the same method will be used to remove it from the driveshaft and the yoke. Support it on the press with a 1” socket on one side (If I remember correctly), that way the one bearing cap can get pushed through and into the socket, and then press on the opposite bearing cap with an appropriate size socket. Pretty much you’re trying to scoot the u-joint as far as you can towards one side of the driveshaft.


    Now support it like in the picture below, put the 1” socket on top to press on so that the u-joint bearing cap on the opposite side gets pushed out of the yoke so it looks like this.



    The two bearing caps on opposite sides have been pushed out as far as they can and now you can barely fit the u-joint out or separate the yoke from the driveshaft. This same process is used to first get the yoke off the driveshaft and then get the u-joint off the yoke. If you’re still having trouble getting the u-joint out using this method, you can always bust out the Dremel and cut out the bearing caps to give the u-joint more room. Reassembling it is much easier. Here’s what my trashed u-joint looked like once removed.



    So Audi does not sell just the u-joint. I found one u-joint size that would work which is a 24x74.5mm u-joint for a KIA or Mercedes Sprinter Van. This is the one that I bought and it fit perfectly: https://www.amazon.com/493002B500-Un...00+-+Universal

    Start by installing the new u-joint on the yoke. Line it up and press one bearing cap in until it’s flush.


    Now you can press the opposite bearing cap in and it will now be held in the yoke.

    Now take the other two bearing caps off and fit it into the driveshaft. The needle bearings are not supported in the bearing caps so be careful not to spill them everywhere when you pull the caps off… I learned this the hard way and had to go on a little needle bearing hunt. Once you’ve got it positioned in the driveshaft you can press in those last two bearings from the outside.



    The last thing you have to do is make sure the u-joint is centered in the driveshaft. The u-joint is 74.5 mm from one end to the other, so you have to measure the width of the driveshaft at each section, subtract the length of the u-joint, divide by 2 and then that’s how far the bearing cap will need to be recessed in that section. For example let’s say I measured the driveshaft to be 77 mm wide on one section so I subtract 74.5, divide by 2 and then I know I need to recess one bearing cap 1.25mm in. The best way to do this is to find coins that are close to this measurement, put the coin on one side and then press the opposite bearing cap until it stops. This will leave your u-joint perfectly centered if you measured it right. I used a nickel for one section and a penny for the other.



    And now your u-joint is centered and you can reassemble the center bearing and reconnect the driveshaft. The factory u-joint doesn’t have a snap ring to hold it in, it looks like Audi just pushed some metal in from the edge of the bearing cap bore to kind of hold it in when they made the driveshaft. I didn’t use a snap ring or anything at all. It’s a pretty tight press-fit so there’s no way that u-joint is coming out of there. I’ve been driving on this driveshaft for 5,000 miles and have hit 135mph a couple times and haven’t lost the driveshaft yet!

    When you install your new center bearing, use a 27mm deep socket to tap the bearing back in. You can get the 034 center bearing or this one which is way cheaper: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Audi-A4-B5-...DICB:rk:2:pf:0
    I’m not sure if the 034 one is really much better. The bearing isn’t a very tight fit, so it doesn’t take much work to tap it in, but the 27mm socket is a really tight fit and you’ll have to work it back and forth to get it off. Then line up the two pieces of the driveshaft to where you marked them and use the 17mm bolt to pull the driveshaft back together. Tighten the bolt fairly tight, it doesn’t have to be cranked down really hard and then you are finished and your driveshaft is good to go! I haven’t been getting any new drivetrain vibrations and I’ve been driving on this setup for a while and it has been working great. Let me know if there’s any questions!

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    Awesome write up !!!!


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    Thanks for taking the time to document the process. Really great!

    BTW, the end CV joints are the same as Audi 5000/200 front inner CV's.

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    Great work on the DIY, very well written and laid out. Most people would just buy a new driveshaft so kudos for putting in the work to rebuild your own.
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    Nice write up. Thank you for sharing.

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    Excellent! Thanks for taking the time to do this. I'm sort of curious of all the different center support bearings I have seen now and which is closest to OEM quality as we know sometimes China rubber doesn't really last that long.
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    For only $70 in parts it’s definitely a worthwhile upgrade and anyone here could take this on With the aftermarket support bearings it’s kind of hit or miss. I bought one a couple years ago that always made bearing noise whenever it was cold and after a couple minutes of driving, it’d warm up and stop. This one works perfectly and doesn’t make any noise at all. It sucks we can’t get OEM ones and at less than $40 we’re kind of taking a gamble, but I haven’t seen the rubber fail on one of those aftermarket ones yet.

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    Thanks for the write up. I just changed one out with the “Ebay special” bearing on my daughters C4 A6 with 260k miles on the clock. The center support bearing looks like decent quality for the price and will hopefully last as long as the rest of the car. I may look for a better quality part for my B5 that may have better longevity.


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    Nice write up and good info.

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    No one mentioned sticky? Sticky!

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    OEM u-joint is whats called “steaked” where they hammer over the edge to keep the caps on.

    Too bad you couldnt find a greasable u-joint.

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    Great write up!

    I already had this adventure, but just went with the 034 bearing and didn't need to change the u joint (yet). The next hardest part was making sure the support bolts were both even and centered when you're reinstalling the DS.

    Perfect rebuild won't help if its not straight when you bolt it back in.

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    Nice, blauparts actually
    used to sell driveshaft
    rebuild kits for the b5
    and older chassis’s. It
    included a new center
    bearing & u-joint.

    They discontinued it because
    they claim the parts quality
    went down hill and also people
    were fucking up the install and
    busting their balls.

    Nice find though on the u-joints, thanks.

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    There’s no pretty way to do this besides beating the center of the driveshaft with a hammer and extension or anything to get it to pull apart.
    Good write up, but one correction. You can use a pry bar to separate the driveshaft from the joint. Open the bolt a bit, then put the pry bar there and pry it against the bolt head, and push the driveshaft out. Then open the bolt more, and repeat. This way you don't have to hammer the driveshaft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by okkim View Post
    Good write up, but one correction. You can use a pry bar to separate the driveshaft from the joint. Open the bolt a bit, then put the pry bar there and pry it against the bolt head, and push the driveshaft out. Then open the bolt more, and repeat. This way you don't have to hammer the driveshaft.
    That’s a good idea if you have a driveshaft that’s not super stuck. I’ve used that method in the past before. The one I did for this thread was a super tight press fit and I could only get it to budge by hammering it. But thanks for mentioning prying it. Definitely worth trying that first.

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    There are also right-sized pickle forks available at most auto parts stores that make separating the halves extremely easy. A couple of taps with a hammer and very clean separation.

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    No loctite when putting the fastener back in? Just tighten it "pretty tight"?

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    Haha. I would 100% put Loctite on that bolt. Blue is probably adequate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeroGrav View Post
    No loctite when putting the fastener back in? Just tighten it "pretty tight"?
    Mine was a super tight press fit. Plus there’s not a lot of axial force on the driveshaft, but blue loctite never hurts.

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    Shit prybar, hammer, sledge, air hammer?
    I’ve used them all to separate the halves
    and never damaged anything. Never been
    an issue. Just my 0.02..

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    Ya this one was tight as all hell, it’s the first one I’ve really dinged up trying to separate. I think I was using an air hammer and put a towel over it, but it took a couple of minutes just running the air hammer against it which dinged it up a good amount. But no joke this one was way tighter than any other one I’ve done.

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    Why not use a propane torch or map gas to help separate the drive shaft? That's how I've always done it. Makes it pretty easy.

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    I guess I felt like beating it with an air hammer instead

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    Sorry if it sounded like I was criticising you. Just no one mentioned it and it's a good write up.

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    Acetylene torch will help every
    stubborn part.

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    Alright this is the last post regarding separating my driveshaft. I’m sorry for beating the shit out of my driveshaft like a caveman to separate it. Thank you to those of you who offered more elegant solutions to separating it. I wanted to make this thread cover this entire process with pictures of all the steps and provide an affordable way to replace the “unserviceable” center u-joint and explain all the steps in detail since I haven’t found other threads mentioning the u-joint or even having decent pictures. Yes there’s better ways to do everything, I was mostly just trying to show that however you decide to go about this... these are some basic steps you can follow to rebuild the entire thing.

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    Don’t worry about it most of the
    old timers use hammers on everything.
    I don’t see an issue hitting a driveshaft
    like that to separate it. I’ve personally
    done it hundreds of times.

    Thanks for the write up.

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    Is it really true that the Audi 5000 inner front joint will work for the driveshaft CV?

    I've noticed that things that aren't specifically listed for the B5 S4 are sometimes quite cheaper lol.

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    So the u-joint works for all b5's? I wanna order it, just need to make sure it works before doing so. Also, amazing write up!

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    No, newer ones are diferent size.

    24x62

    Also, I could not get the bolt out without first remove the u-joint, theres litle room to work with a wrench.





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    Interesting, I have seen one or two driveshafts that look a little different like that, but have never worked on one. Did they change it for the later model B5s?

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    Yes, later b5, Rs4 b5 and at least B6 are like this.

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    Also, I could not get the bolt out without first remove the u-joint, theres litle room to work with a wrench.
    Use the closed end of the wrench. It needs to be grinded to get it fit. I forgot that I told this on the AudiSRS, but what the hell, repeat is good :)
    propshaft.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by okkim View Post
    Use the closed end of the wrench. It needs to be grinded to get it fit. I forgot that I told this on the AudiSRS, but what the hell, repeat is good :)
    propshaft.jpg
    Just did this as well this past weekend. Box end wrench ground down will work. I also had this style shaft.

    Side note: If anyone runs into the issue like me and snaps the bolt head off trying to do this. The bolt size is M10 1.5 pitch.

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    Yes use the box end. You don’t
    have to remove the U-joint if you
    use the ground down box end of
    a wrench. Heat up the bolt first
    with propane or acetylene torch
    and clamp the driveshaft in a vise.

    All fun from there.

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    Also to those asking the driveshaft
    CV’s from GKN are still widely available.
    They were used on lots of chassis’s
    and model years.

    It’s the axle cv’s that get hard to find.

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    Not trying to argue, but I had no problem getting inner cv joints gkn/lobro but disapointed with the boots, the rubber is already showing signs of wear(5 months old). Propshaft cv joints I could only find in the US (I'm in europe)

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