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    New CA Exhaust Laws

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    Have yíall heard about the new CA exhaust laws?? Are you worried about it?

    It says exhaust have to be under 95 db, anyone running AWE touring or other systems know if your db rating is below that on avg?

    CA just loves to fuck everything up.


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    I didnít realize that was a new law


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    $1000 fine fuckkkkkkkkkk

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    $1000?!!
    Just downloaded Decibel X app to get an idea of how close or over I am to 95db.


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    Heres the petition going around to get signatures to nullify it.
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    New CA Exhaust Laws

    So many people are freaking out.. I'm hoping I'm good with my valved Miltek exhaust.
    Here is some info I found:

    This is an actual bulletin released by the CHP for internal use only. If you get stopped for modified exhaust, you will want to know this...by heart. Copy and paste the info below into word, print it out and keep a copy in your car at all times:

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    Information Bulletin No. 98-100*

    Excessive Noise Enforcement Passenger Vehicles, Light Trucks and Motorcycles
    The California Highway Patrol (CHP), Commercial Vehicle Section (CVS), has received many inquiries about excessive noise emitted by passenger vehicles, light trucks and motorcycles. Enforcement personnel and the public have inquired regarding enforcement of the Vehicle Code (VC) sections pertaining to excessive noise emitted by these vehicles.
    Excessive noise is primarily a nuisance issue rather than a safety concern, and determination of excessive noise is subjective. For this reason, enforcement personnel are to exercise sound professional judgment in making a determination of violation. The following guidelines and attached question and answer sheet (Attachment A) provide guidance to enforcement personnel regarding appropriate enforcement procedures.

    Enforcement Guidelines
    The only drivers who should be cited are those whose vehicles:
    1. Are not equipped with a muffler;
    2. Clearly emit an offensive, harsh, excessive noise, or;
    3. Have a clearly defective exhaust system (holes, leaks, etc.).

    Clearing Citations
    When clearing excessive noise citations issued by the CHP or allied agencies, personnel are to consider exhaust systems in compliance if they incorporate a reasonably effective muffler, do not emit an offensive, harsh, excessive noise, and appear to be in good repair.

    ATTACHMENT A

    Q1: Doesn't the VC require a muffler on every vehicle?
    Yes. Section 27150 VC requires that every motor vehicle subject to registration be equipped with an adequate muffler. There are no exceptions ó all vehicles must be equipped with a muffler, as defined in Section 425 VC. A turbocharger is not considered a muffler.

    Q2: Aren't all exhaust system modifications prohibited?
    No. Section 27151 VC prohibits the modification of the exhaust system to amplify or increase the noise emitted by the vehicle, making the vehicle not in compliance with Section 27150 VC or exceeding the noise limits established in Sections 27201-27206 VC. Section 27151 VC does not prohibit all modifications to an exhaust system. It also does not prohibit all modifications that increase the noise level of the exhaust system over that of the original, factory-installed exhaust system (as it did until 1980). It only prohibits modifications that result in a noise level higher than those specified in Sections 27201-27206 VC. Accurately determining compliance with Sections 27201-27206 VC for enforcement purposes is generally impractical. Enforcement personnel must make an informed professional evaluation to determine if excessive noise statutes are being violated.

    Q3: Do I have to actually listen to a vehicle to cite it for a violation of either Section 27150 or 27151?
    Yes. Drivers of vehicles should not be cited for violation of either Section 27150 or 27151 VC unless the officer has personally listened to the vehicle in operation. This can be either under actual driving conditions or with the vehicle stationary and the engine running. Even if the officer has inspected the exhaust system and does not see a muffler present, the officer should listen to the vehicle. The purpose of this is to be sure that the exhaust system does not incorporate internally baffled pipes or other components that meet the definition of a muffler. There are no specifications which state required configurations or minimum dimensions for mufflers. A vehicle that does not visually appear to be equipped with a muffler, but does not emit excessive noise, should be deemed to comply with Sections 27150 and 27151 VC.

    Q4: Does an aftermarket, replacement or modified tailpipe or muffler tip constitute a violation of Section 27151 VC?
    No. Section 27151 VC prohibits the modification of exhaust systems to amplify or increase noise. The officer would have to establish that the modification increased the noise emitted by the vehicle by listening to the exhaust. In general, exhaust system piping, tubing, fittings, cosmetic tips or other passive devices placed behind the muffler have minimal impact on exhaust system sound levels.

    Q5: Since Section 27150 requires that the muffler prevent excessive and unusual noise, can the driver of a vehicle be cited for violation of Section 27150 if it emits a sound different than the original factory installed muffler?
    The prohibition against unusual noise refers to noises that are unusual for motor vehicles. Noise that may be unusual for a particular make or model of vehicle, but which is not necessarily unusual for other motor vehicles, should not be considered in violation, provided the noise is not excessive.

    Q6: Aren't all modified exhaust systems unlawful under pollution control laws?
    No.Current pollution control laws regarding aftermarket exhaust systems are quite complex, but do permit the installation of a variety of aftermarket and "exempt" systems. Due to the complexity of modern pollution control systems and the laws governing them, the CHP does not provide technical training in this area. Enforcement of pollution control laws is the responsibility of the Bureau of Automotive Repair through the "Smog Check" program.

    Q7: What are the noise levels specified in Sections 27201-27206 VC? Can these be used to cite loud vehicles?
    No. Section 27200 VC prohibits the sale of new motor vehicles that exceed the noise limits specified in these Sections. The specified noise limits (80 dB(A) (decibels) for all new cars, pickup trucks, vans and motorcycles apply only to new motor vehicles, under full throttle acceleration tests, measured 50 feet from the test vehicle, as specified in Sections 1040-1044, 1046 and 1047, Title 13, California Code of Regulations (13 CCR). These noise levels and the specified test methods apply to manufacturers and new car dealers only, for new vehicle certification purposes, and may not be used for enforcement purposes against vehicles being operated on public roadways. The CHP is not aware of any significant violation of Section 27200 VC by vehicle manufacturers or dealers.

    Q8: What are the noise levels specified in Sections 23130 and 23130.5 VC and how can they be enforced?
    Sections 23130 and 23130.5 VC specify noise standards for vehicles operating on the highway (in-use vehicles), and are intended for use in actual traffic conditions. The limits of Section 23130 apply under all conditions of grade, load, acceleration and deceleration. The lower limits of Section 23130.5 apply only to relatively level roadways and under conditions of relatively constant speed. They specifically do not apply to areas of congested traffic that require noticeable acceleration or deceleration, or within 200 feet of an official traffic control device or change in grade. Although these sections were intended for use in actual traffic conditions, the complexities of noise testing require the testing be conducted in a relatively large open area free of other vehicles and large sound-reflecting objects. This makes in-use vehicle noise testing in most developed areas impractical, where noise complaints are most likely to occur. The CHP does not currently provide either the instrumentation or training necessary to conduct vehicle noise testing. Enforcement using Section 27150 or 27151 VC is usually more appropriate and effective.

    Q9: What is the exhaust noise test specified in 13 CCR? Can this be used for enforcement?
    Sections 1030-1036, 13 CCR, were intended to be used by Licensed Muffler Certification Stations as a means of determining if an exhaust system met the requirements of the Muffler Certification Program (when those programs were operational). They specify testing procedures for motor vehicle exhaust noise alone (as opposed to total vehicle noise). This procedure specifies a limit of 95 dB(A) measured 20 inches from the exhaust pipe outlet with the engine operating in neutral, typically at a speed of 3000-5000 rpm. (For comparison, a modern rotary lawn mower with a 5-horsepower Briggs & Stratton engine typically emits approximately 93 dB(A) at the same distance at full speed under no load.) It applies only to passenger vehicles. It does not apply to motorcycles or to vehicles over 6000 pounds gross weight.

    Q10: Can this test be used in enforcement?
    Not readily. Although much simpler than the test methods specified in Sections 23130 and 23130.5 VC, this test method still requires some technical expertise and a means to determine both the speed (rpm) of the engine under test (tachometer) and the rpm at which maximum horsepower of the engine is developed (information which may not always be readily available), as well as a sound level meter. It is not intended for roadside noise testing. The CHP does not currently provide either the instrumentation or training necessary to conduct exhaust noise testing.This test is useful, however, for determining if an aftermarket or performance exhaust system complies with VC requirements. It should be noted that the 95 dB(A) level, because it is intended as a simple "go-no-go" type of test, may permit exhaust noise somewhat higher than those permitted under Sections 27201-27206 VC. An exhaust system that complies with the requirements of Section 1036(d)(1), 13 CCR, is deemed to comply with Sections 27150 and 27151 VC.

    Q11: What happened to the Muffler Certification and the Licensed Muffler Certification Station Programs?
    Funding for both programs was terminated in 1979. There are currently no Official Muffler Certification Stations, no listing of certified mufflers and no formal mechanism in place to conduct objective vehicle or exhaust noise testing.

    Q12: Can local authorities enact or enforce more strict ordinances regarding vehicle noise?
    No. Section 21 VC makes the VC applicable and uniform throughout the state, and prohibits local authorities from enacting or enforcing any ordinance on the matters covered by the VC unless expressly authorized to do so. In-use vehicle noise is addressed in Sections 23130 and 23130.5 VC. There is no provision in the VC that permits local authorities to adopt additional noise limitations. Consequently, citations issued under such ordinances are invalid.

    Q13: Some aftermarket exhaust systems include documentation that the system has been tested and found to meet the requirements of Section 1036(d)(1), 13 CCR. Are those legal?
    The CHP does not have the resources to independently verify manufacturer's claims, but is aware that some aftermarket exhaust systems do meet the noise levels specified in Section 1036(d)(1), 13 CCR. An officer may consider such documentation in evaluating an exhaust system for excessive noise, both during the issuance of a citation and when clearing a citation pursuant to Section 40610(b) VC.

    Q14: What type of enforcement action should be taken against vehicles emitting excessive noise?
    Providing none of the disqualifying conditions listed in Section 40610(b) are present, the use of the CHP 281, "Notice to Correct," or checking the Dismissable Violation "Yes" box on the CHP 215, "Notice to Appear (Arrest Citation)," would be appropriate for these violations.


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    This shouldn't affect most of us, I too was nervous when I first heard of this but after reading it I don't believe it's that big of a deal. This has nothing to do with emissions related stuff i.e. cat deletes, race cats etc. Unless you have a super loud exhaust I don't see cause for concern, and if you already have a super loud exhaust there have always been laws on the books that could get you pulled over anyway.

    The thing I don't like about this new code is that it's clearly been written to be purposely vague with the "determination of excessive noise is subjective". You can all thank the ridiculous takeovers and sideshows for causing this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by christianb5s4 View Post
    You can all thank the ridiculous takeovers and sideshows for causing this.
    dumb kids and the takeovers.
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    The main cause for concern is that, if you get pulled over for modified exhaust then there is a strong possibility that they will also issue you a BAR (state referee) appointment.

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    https://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=840896


    Someone posted the testing procedure here on page 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by funkypterodacty View Post
    The main cause for concern is that, if you get pulled over for modified exhaust then there is a strong possibility that they will also issue you a BAR (state referee) appointment.
    Correct.. I have been through this previously. They have to test at a State Referee in order to measure the sound correctly.
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    I imported one of my cars from out of state for the classic auto show coming up and was shitting bricks over this law when the DMV told me I had to take it to CHP to be inspected and verified. If you have a tasteful car I donít think you need to worry all that much. I got a ďman, that thing is BADASSĒ and sent on my way. Had a cool conversation with the officer and a pic of a cop in my car.


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    What I have heard so far, from friends, is they are pulling over anything with an exhaust regardless of sound. If you have an aftermarket exhaust, they are pulling you over. The CHP has even stated that they are working on based off of Federal funding and the more they catch, the more effective the program is and the longer it will stay in effect.

    Brand new BMW M3 was pulled over, with stock exhaust, and cited for noise. The driver advised the car was stock and had just purchased that week. The officer told him it doesnt matter and he will need to take the vehicle to a state referee. This citation will likely be dismissed but the government still gets money from the referee fees and the driver will have to miss work to make appearance in court.

    98 civic with after market muffler received the same treatment. CHP officer told the driver that they need to get the vehicle off the road as any CHP office will cite him again for the same reason.

    This is absolutely ridiculous and even though they are not following the Bulletin 98-100, they dont care. The officers are supposed to use their best judgement to determine the noise level. They do not have test equipment on hand and they also are not supposed to cite vehicles over certain weight or motorcycles. They are literally citing everyone.

    Use your best judgement and be sure to sign the petition.
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    $1k fine + state ref. its another liberal california money grab and rights violation.

    this has nothing to do with the sideshows and takeovers, those guys have beater mustangs with stock exhausts. they are using that as an excuse. same way they use BS school shootings to strip you of your 2nd amendment rights. theres an agenda and money motive behind everything.

    friend of mine got cited for the exhaust already.

    the state ref is not cool. they are dickheads and made one of my friends who has a completely stock audi, remove silicone vacuum hoses and put back his stock diverter valve to pass emissions. pathetic.

    very few cops are cool. if you're lucky enough to run into a cool one you can count that as a blessing because cops are paid to take your money and violate you. they need to generate as much revenue as possible for the department.

    the petition means nothing to california. they see this as a big money grab. $1k per car X lets say 2,000 cars is $2,000,000! they can and will make millions off petty shit as usual.

    be safe out there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furly View Post
    be safe out there!
    Hey! Good to see you on here man.
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    Great detailed post. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MurkyRivers_A4 View Post
    Hey! Good to see you on here man.
    hey Mike! how u been man?
    i'm finished with my car just tuning it now and chasing small vac leaks and the usual nonsense. hope all is well with you and the fam!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furly View Post
    $1k fine + state ref. its another liberal california money grab and rights violation.

    this has nothing to do with the sideshows and takeovers, those guys have beater mustangs with stock exhausts. they are using that as an excuse. same way they use BS school shootings to strip you of your 2nd amendment rights. theres an agenda and money motive behind everything.

    friend of mine got cited for the exhaust already.

    the state ref is not cool. they are dickheads and made one of my friends who has a completely stock audi, remove silicone vacuum hoses and put back his stock diverter valve to pass emissions. pathetic.

    very few cops are cool. if you're lucky enough to run into a cool one you can count that as a blessing because cops are paid to take your money and violate you. they need to generate as much revenue as possible for the department.

    the petition means nothing to california. they see this as a big money grab. $1k per car X lets say 2,000 cars is $2,000,000! they can and will make millions off petty shit as usual.

    be safe out there!
    isnt it up to 1k in fines?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikedizzzo View Post
    isnt it up to 1k in fines?
    i think the new law is mandatory 1k but i could be wrong. there is an IG page where people post their fines and stories. a guy's dad was driving a late 60's muscle car (smog exempt) and got a 1k ticket for smog and state ref'd.

    my advice to anyone who gets pulled over for exhaust, don't speak to the cop. stay silent and ask for your attorney. take it to court. you do not have to sign the ticket either. they will try to scare you into signing it. ask them to show you what part of the law says you have to sign it against your will....

    don't let this state screw you. they get away with it and have been for too long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furly View Post
    i think the new law is mandatory 1k but i could be wrong. there is an IG page where people post their fines and stories. a guy's dad was driving a late 60's muscle car (smog exempt) and got a 1k ticket for smog and state ref'd.

    my advice to anyone who gets pulled over for exhaust, don't speak to the cop. stay silent and ask for your attorney. take it to court. you do not have to sign the ticket either. they will try to scare you into signing it. ask them to show you what part of the law says you have to sign it against your will....

    don't let this state screw you. they get away with it and have been for too long.

    I completely agree that these new VCs are bullshit but lol this is the worst legal advice I have ever seen. 1. the right to an attorney attaches when judicial proceedings have been initiated. that is, when you are detained and/or arrested (in custody and subject to questioning) though I do agree you should stay slient and say nothing and just sign your ticket and leave 2. by law you must sign a ticket. As the officers state, it is not an admission to guilt but rather a promise to appear before court to either admit or deny guilt. You may be arrested for refusing to sign a traffic ticket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furly View Post
    my advice to anyone who gets pulled over for exhaust, don't speak to the cop. stay silent and ask for your attorney. take it to court. you do not have to sign the ticket either. they will try to scare you into signing it. ask them to show you what part of the law says you have to sign it against your will....
    You cant even take it to court because its non-correctable.. I tried to do this when I got my ticket. Only after you have been to the ref and tested you can go get it signed off.
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    In the past, if you got an exhaust ticket along with state ref, you could just pay the fine and be done with it without actually going to the ref. Is this still the case where you can just pay the fine and that's case closed?

    Love modding cars but CA is getting less and less friendly to do it in, nothing worse than feeling like there's a target on your back anytime you want to take your car out. Been looking at F10 M5s lately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MurkyRivers_A4 View Post
    Brand new BMW M3 was pulled over, with stock exhaust, and cited for noise. The driver advised the car was stock and had just purchased that week. The officer told him it doesnt matter and he will need to take the vehicle to a state referee. This citation will likely be dismissed but the government still gets money from the referee fees and the driver will have to miss work to make appearance in court.

    This same exact thing happened to me a few years back but with this new change, arenít state ref and CHP the only ones qualified to make this determination?



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    Quote Originally Posted by solidfreshdope View Post
    This same exact thing happened to me a few years back but with this new change, arenít state ref and CHP the only ones qualified to make this determination?



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    It's states, in the advisory that was copy and pasted, that the CHP does not have the equipment to test the sound of the exhaust and they are supposed to use they best judgement to determine if an exhaust exceeds the noise restriction. This just gives them free reign to ticket anyone and everyone.

    Supposedly the state ref does not have the equipment either and the state ref is only being used to determine if the equipment on the vehicle is aftermarket and/or within guidelines for legal use in CA. I could be wrong on this last part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MurkyRivers_A4 View Post
    It's states, in the advisory that was copy and pasted, that the CHP does not have the equipment to test the sound of the exhaust and they are supposed to use they best judgement to determine if an exhaust exceeds the noise restriction. This just gives them free reign to ticket anyone and everyone.

    Supposedly the state ref does not have the equipment either and the state ref is only being used to determine if the equipment on the vehicle is aftermarket and/or within guidelines for legal use in CA. I could be wrong on this last part.
    But a local PD could not issue this ticket?


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    I suppose they can but this is a government funded CHP program. From what I've heard, no local PD or Sheriff isnt issuing these tickets and only CHP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by christianb5s4 View Post
    In the past, if you got an exhaust ticket along with state ref, you could just pay the fine and be done with it without actually going to the ref. Is this still the case where you can just pay the fine and that's case closed?

    Love modding cars but CA is getting less and less friendly to do it in, nothing worse than feeling like there's a target on your back anytime you want to take your car out. Been looking at F10 M5s lately.
    You couldn't even go to court until after your test when I got mine. It is non correctable so they don't just let you pay and carry on.

    Quote Originally Posted by solidfreshdope View Post
    This same exact thing happened to me a few years back but with this new change, arenít state ref and CHP the only ones qualified to make this determination?
    Any officer can give you this.

    Quote Originally Posted by MurkyRivers_A4 View Post
    It's states, in the advisory that was copy and pasted, that the CHP does not have the equipment to test the sound of the exhaust and they are supposed to use they best judgement to determine if an exhaust exceeds the noise restriction. This just gives them free reign to ticket anyone and everyone.

    Supposedly the state ref does not have the equipment either and the state ref is only being used to determine if the equipment on the vehicle is aftermarket and/or within guidelines for legal use in CA. I could be wrong on this last part.
    Correct that the CHP doesn't have the equipment to test. plus with all the other traffic noise it wouldn't be a proper reading. That's why they make you go to a state ref and they test in an area where there is not much background noise. They explained all this to me when I had to go in.

    There is also certain places that can do this testing. Luckily mine was only a 30 min drive from my house
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsmatt33 View Post
    I completely agree that these new VCs are bullshit but lol this is the worst legal advice I have ever seen. 1. the right to an attorney attaches when judicial proceedings have been initiated. that is, when you are detained and/or arrested (in custody and subject to questioning) though I do agree you should stay slient and say nothing and just sign your ticket and leave 2. by law you must sign a ticket. As the officers state, it is not an admission to guilt but rather a promise to appear before court to either admit or deny guilt. You may be arrested for refusing to sign a traffic ticket.

    not trying to give legal advice as i'm not a lawyer but i'm not with all the tyrant bullshit these cops and lawmakers are doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by krew53 View Post
    You couldn't even go to court until after your test when I got mine. It is non correctable so they don't just let you pay and carry on.
    That's what I was curious about. I'd rather pay a fine and move on, wonder how hiring a traffic lawyer (who has experience with ref tickets) can help the outcome?
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    Unless you have a very loud exhaust, I think this will come down to luck of the draw for catching a PO who will pull you over. It's still such a shame that there's zero empirical standard to how the officer tests and it's pure subjective opinion. Guilty until proven innocent is not how this should be.
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    i have stock down pipes with awe touring and measured it and it was around 90 decibels.
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    My exhaust setup on my phone rang up 82 db at idle vs. 86 db on my true decibel reader held at a 45 degree angle 20" away from the exhaust. I am thinking of adding bullet-style mufflers to my mid-pipes to bring it down slightly more.
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    For anyone willing to take some time to hear a more in-depth perspective on the law, The Smoking Tire did a great job of that. Start at 9 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikedizzzo View Post
    i have stock down pipes with awe touring and measured it and it was around 90 decibels.
    Hmm, that's good to know. I have the same exhaust setup and I was thinking I'd be borderline 95db. Did you get a certificate? I think I am going to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartlett View Post
    Hmm, that's good to know. I have the same exhaust setup and I was thinking I'd be borderline 95db. Did you get a certificate? I think I am going to do that.
    No because I might fail at other things. Lol.


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