Looks like we have a new TB option

[AudBoost]

Posted on Facebook in the 3.0TFSI Technical Group:


So..... First and Foremost, I want to thank Issam Abed for allowing us at Tampa Autosports to test his Throttle body solutution for the 3.0T platform. We made 4 runs today, two before and two after install and below you can see the results.

Here is the important part....
We used a Mustang AWD dyno which was calibrated 09/24/18 at Vortex Performance in Tampa Bay. This Dyno was calibrated by Mustang so we are 100% confident it is as usual the heartbreaker that we are looking for. This dyno will read approx. 10-12% lower than any other dyno so the data we gain is reportable without question. We also as always do our due diligence and use the figures entered exactly vs being inflated or altered.

Power at 50 - 13.4
Vehicle weight - 3800
3.0 displacement
4 cyl stroke
Shell 93 oct Vpower Nitro
GIAC DP tune (Old revision)
pump map confirmed with tune switcher
Wheel diameter is 19" with 255/35/19 Michelin tires
Redline set to 7k - vehicle was run to 6500 max RPM

Ambient air temp in the Dyno was 101* F and average Florida temp currently is 94* ambient.
The vehicle was run twice with stock throttle body and twice with Issam Abed new solution installed.
The first picture below is max power at 392.8 WHP/ 379.9 WTQ.

We then literally just threw this throttle body on this car without any adaptaition or anything , did not allow the car to sit longer then the amount of time to swap throttle bodies ( maybe 15 mins) and made two susequent passes.

Max Hp gain with the upgraded Throttle body was 401.3 WHP / 376.5 WTQ at what we considered heatsoaked substantially.
This solution provided 8.5 WHP in the exact same conditions as base test with literally no planning other than slapping it on.
We all know these cars like adaptation and run time etc. We wanted to show what just slapping in on would do.

If this car was run on MS109 as it was on prev. power peak and better conditions, with time to sit and cool , the gains would be substantially more.

I have to give credit where credit is due !! As an engineer and pioneer in the Audi world, Issam Abed has provided a solution that is truly plug and play with no issues, that clearly provides notable gains and does not cripple the user to a specific brand of anything. The craftmanship is as expected ( awesome) and install can be done by a 5 year old. Our intake system was a direct fit with absolutely no modification needed.

Although September 3rd may have passed, his solution and commitment to offering a viable option to this community was spot on and on time.

I am driving this vehicle and logging for the next 5 days to see what more this solution can provide and will be testing this same car next week on the same dyno on race gas for a big dog comparrison.

Well Done Issam Abed, you just gave this community what they have been needing.
Thank you for bringing us along for the ride !!!

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Reply from Issam Abed:

Thanks !
For those bombarding me with PM's just hold tight.

All I will say is the juice was worth the squeeze.
The info page will have the 75mm , 80mm (dodge hemi) ,and 82mm vs the oem.

This will allow users to make an educated choice as to why the 75mm unit is the best unit for 95% of the enthusiasts in here.

I wont say more other than watch out (and share the product page when it is up) and use the promocode

[evil35r]

Hell yes guess I know what I’m getting next

[GID]

Awesome! It must be getting to that time of the year!

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[whiped]

Well I was doing good about not dumping more into my money pit...

I'll throw some data up once I have it and do back to back pulls with the TB vs my ported stock one

Good work Issam

[EvanDoel]

Glad to see the post made it to AZ !!! Thanks Audboost for posting it up !!!

[Bartlett]

Any thoughts yet on the anticipated WHP gains without heatsoak?

Also RIP existing and future TB solutions...this constitutes a first-mover IMO and if the price is right, Issam wins.

[whiped]

Any thoughts yet on the anticipated WHP gains without heatsoak?

Also RIP existing and future TB solutions...this constitutes a first-mover IMO and if the price is right, Issam wins.

WHP will depend heavily on your other mods IMO.

On my car, it should show some solid gains as the TB is currently the restriction on the intake side.

Without a ported blower, I'd expect minimal gains but much better throttle response.

I guess time will tell.

[B18b1ex]

I’ll ask, how much?


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[waxxonMTL]

Well I was doing good about not dumping more into my money pit...

I'll throw some data up once I have it and do back to back pulls with the TB vs my ported stock one

Good work Issam

if the 75mm is good for 95%. then how large is the stock one ? I guess very similar to 75mm. Might not be worth it.

[whiped]

I believe stock OD 68-70mm, so ~ 6mm? My crude math says like 17% more surface area which is pretty significant.

idk, we'll let the data talk once we have it.

[PeteRock]

Awesome news and congrats to Issam!

No tune needed?


Pete

[Bartlett]

I believe stock OD 68-70mm, so ~ 6mm? My crude math says like 17% more surface area which is pretty significant.

idk, we'll let the data talk once we have it.

80mm = (Assuming stock is 70mm diameter) 28% increase in cross-sectional area...75mm sounds like it could be about 17%

https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...1#post13267875

That might give ideas about restrictions

[cspcrx]

Does this work with any tune?

[Brother Owl]

Universal plug-and-play?

[jimrobbington]

Well I was doing good about not dumping more into my money pit...

I'll throw some data up once I have it and do back to back pulls with the TB vs my ported stock one

Good work Issam

Yusss I was hoping you'd be the first to test it with 034.

Does this work with any tune?

Universal plug-and-play?

Supposedly, and based on Evan's testing, yes.

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[Gkit19986]

Depends how much it is, I'm planning to go DP, Uprade cooling at the same time.

[jimrobbington]

Depends how much it is, I'm planning to go DP, Uprade cooling at the same time.

It'll be far cheaper than any bullshit apr ultracharger

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[whiped]

Yusss I was hoping you'd be the first to test it with 034. Supposedly, and based on Evan's testing, yes.

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We'll see what happens when I get my hands on it. Hopefully it works and hopefully, Nate is willing to tweak some tunes to make it work better. (I haven't exactly asked yet lol)

I'm looking forward to the updates from Evan over the coming days :)

[jimrobbington]

We'll see what happens when I get my hands on it. Hopefully it works and hopefully, Nate is willing to tweak some tunes to make it work better. (I haven't exactly asked yet lol)

I'm looking forward to the updates from Evan over the coming days :)

Samesies!

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[DBFL]

I was going to post this with pictures, but apparently tapatalk doesn’t allow me to upload anymore.

Keep in mind that today was just proof of concept. It was 95 degrees outside today, so the conditions were terrible.
Also, the car wasn’t given any time to adapt. It was two pulls with the stock TB, then the Issam’s TB was installed and two more pulls. Heat soak would have been a major factor. I’ll be bringing the car back to the same dyno once it’s not as hot out.

I’d also like to compare the results to a tune that accounts for the ported supercharger and the larger throttle body. That should happen soon enough.

I’ll post updates over the next few days as I drive the car a bit.

[Bikel]

sub'd

[RWD2quattro]

Very nice, dang it, now I have to buy this 😁
When can I place an order?

[Rodizzle]

Sub’d



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[DBFL]

Very nice, dang it, now I have to buy this 😁
When can I place an order?

That’s a question for Issam, and he hasn’t given a specific date yet. I still have to do a bunch of logging first. I guess the S4 will be my daily for the next couple weeks.

[bajan01]

I believe stock OD 68-70mm, so ~ 6mm? My crude math says like 17% more surface area which is pretty significant.

idk, we'll let the data talk once we have it.

Yeah, the 76mm TB would be 17.9% greater surface area than the factory 70mm TB.

[Gkit19986]

It'll be far cheaper than any bullshit apr ultracharger

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I went with EPL, I recently went wit stg2 and getting used to the power . So DP, cooling ,porting the charger and bigger throttle body will be all it for me as long as I own the car.

[brs2c]

It would be nice to see pulls going over 7k, too.


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[Wazzap1101]

Sub'd. Only concern is how folks who have throttle body spacers with wm have to change their setup. Def will need a new spacer

2013 B8.5 S5
GIAC DP and DSG tune - 57/187mm
AEM WM Injection, unbranded intake, Merc HX

[97B518TQM]

While I believe in continuous innovation and improvements on any platform and in any component group in cars I still have a hard time understanding how the stock TB, which seems to be 68-70mm diameter, is the bottle neck. The reason I am saying this is my previous experience with my B5 S4. I had no problem making over 580whp on it with the stock TB, which was 70mm. How is the stock TB a limiting factor when people are barely making over 400whp on the B8 platform? Please forgive my ignorance if it seems that way. I am just trying to make sense out of this. To clarify, I am well aware that the boost my turbos were producing was much higher than our SCs produce even at redline. I guess in a way I am answering my own question but in that case are we simply allowing more air at low pressure to alleviate an underperforming SC...

[TheAsset]

I wish the car would've been given a chance to cool down or get back to the same temperatures the first 2 pulls were made on.

[EvanDoel]

There is room to create a provision in the adaptor for WM without making any changes

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[EvanDoel]

Just curious as to why? We wanted to show a worst case scenario for testing vs a best case. There is way too much fluff and snake oil thrown at customers these days to buy products which are tested in non real world conditions and the immediately followed by disappointment. I would way rather give you the worst case on gains and show how they improve with x,y,z then make or support empty promises that never deliver for anyone other than the people testing.

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[RWD2quattro]

That’s a question for Issam, and he hasn’t given a specific date yet. I still have to do a bunch of logging first. I guess the S4 will be my daily for the next couple weeks.

Thanks bro, please keep us posted and share what you see/feel good or bad.

[P1Racer]

Awesome!!


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[DBFL]

While I believe in continuous innovation and improvements on any platform and in any component group in cars I still have a hard time understanding how the stock TB, which seems to be 68-70mm diameter, is the bottle neck. The reason I am saying this is my previous experience with my B5 S4. I had no problem making over 580whp on it with the stock TB, which was 70mm. How is the stock TB a limiting factor when people are barely making over 400whp on the B8 platform? Please forgive my ignorance if it seems that way. I am just trying to make sense out of this. To clarify, I am well aware that the boost my turbos were producing was much higher than our SCs produce even at redline. I guess in a way I am answering my own question but in that case are we simply allowing more air at low pressure to alleviate an underperforming SC...

Barely over 400whp? My car has produced 487 and 485 whp on two different Mustang dynos. Those were when it was 30 degrees cooler outside and on 105 octane. So we’re definitely well past 400. I’d expect to see over 500 whp with 105 octane once it cools down to the low 70s again.

Also, the SC inlet on my car has been ported to about 75mm. So a 70mm throttle body is absolutely a bottleneck.

I wish the car would've been given a chance to cool down or get back to the same temperatures the first 2 pulls were made on.

This was just to see if the larger TB works and if there was any gain. We will be going back to the dyno for proper testing once any necessary fine tuning is complete, and when it’s not 100 degrees at the dyno.

[bhvrdr]

Thanks for posting this. Do you happe ln to have the dyno numbers and charts for all 4 runs. Be interested to see how the car behaved on it.

Mike

[Loe]

this is great stuff! Now we will have other cars trapping beyond 125mph on the TVS1320

[PeteRock]

I heard from Issam a few months back that cost is likely to be 1/2 what APR charges for the Ultracharger so I’m curious to see where final pricing lands

Should be really interesting if IE also releases their 90mm Throttle Body as mentioned

I’m still a little thrown off by the plug n play piece because as many of you know an UC car will not run unless the specific UC Tune is installed

Not complaining at all but I’m definitely curious as to what makes these TBs proprietary? Is it the mounting/adapter harness?


Pete

[Gberg888]

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[Chibo]

Hopefully when TB is released we have data on stage 2 too and not only on DP.