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    So I will be buying springs in the next couple weeks...gotta lose the 4x4 look ;)
    I had ED springs on my S3, and see that some users have them on their B9 as well. I would like a smallish drop, and like to keep the stock ride qualities. My car has the mag shocks, so would want something that would work well with that too.
    Initially I was thinking of maybe an HAS setup? I will likely not change heights, so not sure if its worth the extra $$...or maybe it is?

    Lastly, is the install anything like VW? My GTI and S3 were pretty simple, hoping this S4 will be the same!

    I would love to hear what everyone thinks.

    Thanks in advance!

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    I did the ED springs and I too have the mag shocks. I wanted a reasonable drop (not slammed) and stock ride quality. I raced BMWs for years with BMW CR ad SCCA and was a HPDE instructor and wasn't looking for a track car ride - this is a pure street car (no track days). I think the ED springs with the ED rear sway bar is a great compromise. Looks 100 times better and rides like stock. The way I've described it is: this set up is what a factory sport suspension option might have been if available from Audi - both in terms of drop and ride.

    There are other great options with progressive springs (034 springs) as well as adjustable options, but for a street car, this was a great compromise.

    Install was straight forward and the negative camber is not overdone.

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    Agree with m332is...I did the same package. Well priced and works great!
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    Thanks guys! That's kind of what I thought I may hear. Based on the pictures I have seen, the drop is just right for my tastes The HAS springs are intriguing, but probably not worth the money for my use....street only. I love that I can have my car in Comfort and it rides like a sports sedan should. Even in Dynamic, it is pretty docile.
    These will remain at the top of my list still! May wait for a sale, though I don't know if I can wait that long ;)

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    I almost forgot....Do you think there is any need to recalibrate the mag ride to the new ride height? I ask because it was recommended to do so on my S3. Measured from the center of the hub to the fender...

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    Who makes ED springs? Emmanuele Design? I'm happy with the ride height but I wouldn't mind something a bit firmer.

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    I didn't recalibrate anything re the shocks and they've been fine with the aftermarket ED springs.

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    It use to be a unwritten rule that if you had an audi you did H&R sport springs if you didn't spring for the coilovers (no pun intended). Times have changed I guess.

    I have owned 5 S4's in my life..... my past 4 all had H&R sport springs.

    I was planning on ordering a set for my 2 month old B9 S4..... is there any reason why you guys don't consider or like the H&R's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carguy19 View Post
    It use to be a unwritten rule that if you had an audi you did H&R sport springs if you didn't spring for the coilovers (no pun intended). Times have changed I guess.

    I have owned 5 S4's in my life..... my past 4 all had H&R sport springs.

    I was planning on ordering a set for my 2 month old B9 S4..... is there any reason why you guys don't consider or like the H&R's?
    Are the H&R springs progressive or linear? I think it comes down to how you want the ride to be, and a drop that loses the 4x4 look without being slammed. I don't drive too aggressively, and like stock ride qualities. Linear springs generally work best for me. My last set of progressive were just too aggressive for my taste...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkeith72 View Post
    Are the H&R springs progressive or linear? I think it comes down to how you want the ride to be, and a drop that loses the 4x4 look without being slammed. I don't drive too aggressively, and like stock ride qualities. Linear springs generally work best for me. My last set of progressive were just too aggressive for my taste...
    That was exactly my thoughts as well. I've been very happy with the drop on the real world Western NY roads as well as the ride. I also think its a bit stiffer but not uncomfortable at all. Very happy with the ED springs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carguy19 View Post
    It use to be a unwritten rule that if you had an audi you did H&R sport springs if you didn't spring for the coilovers (no pun intended). Times have changed I guess.

    I have owned 5 S4's in my life..... my past 4 all had H&R sport springs.

    I was planning on ordering a set for my 2 month old B9 S4..... is there any reason why you guys don't consider or like the H&R's?
    I think they lower the rear too much relative to the front: https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...Sale-AWE-B9-S4

    I also prefer a linear spring, but Im trying to decide between the EMD springs or the MSS kit that is adjustable.
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    Bumping in case anyone new to the forum has any new comments on suspension. I am looking to do a mild drop, and have no need for coilovers. In the past, I've always been an H&R Sport kind of guy, but agree with a comment above that the AWE shop car shows too much reverse rake. Anyone new have any pictures of their cars lowered on H&R or 034 springs? Or, any other options.

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    double bump, I'm trying to decide between O34, EMD and some HAS springs and want to pull the trigger this week, the whole 4x4 thing does NOT work for me lol. putting 20"s on and not looking to slam the car like i used to, need some comfort, car will never see a track other than the drag.
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    The 034 and EMD options are great if you are okay with the drop they provide. They don't go low enough for my liking. I spent 15 months on the ABT HAS kit. They're fantastic. The ride quality is just so spot-on. And the height adjustment and ability to dial in the perfect bit of rake is nice too. I'm a big fan! So are many other B9 members here.


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    So I guess you guys don't have DAP, right? That is kind of holding me back on a set of springs because of the cost of the alignment after the drop due to having DAP. I read somewhere on the forum that it costs about $800 and pretty much dealers only.

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    Im DAP
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    Perfect timing on this thread - ready to look at lowering options for my 18 S4. Sounds like ED springs and sway bar will do the trick for me.

    But, one stoopid question - who/what is ED (other than the obvious...).

    DaveG

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveG View Post
    Perfect timing on this thread - ready to look at lowering options for my 18 S4. Sounds like ED springs and sway bar will do the trick for me.

    But, one stoopid question - who/what is ED (other than the obvious...).

    DaveG
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    Im about to throw some 034 springs on, but I am not sure if theyll be low enough for me. I also considered EMD, as Id rather do linear springs, but I feel like there is a slight reverse rake (very minor, but I think itd bother me). I considered the ABT HAS and MSS kits, and will probably go with one of those if the 034s dont do it for me.
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    2002 S4 : Black : Black Leather : 6-Speed : Stage 2+ : Slowly Dying in My Driveway....

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    I chose 034 springs based on them seeming to be more handling focused. I don't know much about the differences in progressive vs linear and optimal spring rates, but I felt a good improvement in cornering stability. Ride comfort went down a bit, but it's hard for me to gage bc I literally changed jobs and started commuting to downtown which has unbelievably poor road conditions. I had adjustable coilovers with ohlins on my last S4 and I knew I didn't want to mess with that again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkeith72 View Post
    So I will be buying springs in the next couple weeks...gotta lose the 4x4 look ;)
    I had ED springs on my S3, and see that some users have them on their B9 as well. I would like a smallish drop, and like to keep the stock ride qualities. My car has the mag shocks, so would want something that would work well with that too.
    Initially I was thinking of maybe an HAS setup? I will likely not change heights, so not sure if its worth the extra $$...or maybe it is?

    Lastly, is the install anything like VW? My GTI and S3 were pretty simple, hoping this S4 will be the same!

    I would love to hear what everyone thinks.

    Thanks in advance!
    Just don't buy the ED springs, go for the 034 motors one. I had ED, took them off after two weeks and threw them in the garbage. 034 are much better in every aspect.
    And if you dont have the magnetic dampers then go for KW coils.

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    I have 034 on mine which lowers the car without it looking lowered. Nice oem+ look. Handling-wise, I think they ride fine and the difference between the drive select damper settings is more pronounced over stock.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Logtec View Post
    Just don't buy the ED springs, go for the 034 motors one. I had ED, took them off after two weeks and threw them in the garbage. 034 are much better in every aspect.
    And if you dont have the magnetic dampers then go for KW coils.
    What was wrong with the EMD springs? I have seen nothing but positive reviews for them so thats what I have sitting in my garage :-/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jezek View Post
    What was wrong with the EMD springs? I have seen nothing but positive reviews for them so thats what I have sitting in my garage :-/
    Let me start by saying.. comparing springs is like comparing mothers and everyone seems to like what they have :)

    I have had the EMD springs on my B9 S4 for 9 plus months and have been very happy. They are what they advertise, a nice, reasonable drop that is very street-able and the ride still feels slightly stiffer than stock. Unless you plan to seriously track the car, you will not reach the limit of the EMD or 034 suspension and to me, the EMD linear springs remain a nice option. I also have their rear bar and too be honest, probably wasn't worth it for a street car.

    I have described the EMD springs and rear bar as what I would have expected if Audi offered a "sport suspension" option for the B9 S4. Slightly stiffer than stock ride being just a bit stiffer and a drop that works for a daily driver. I think the 034 and EMD are both great options and it comes down to what you like and what you are looking for in terms of ride. I don't think you can go wrong with either option.

    Vince


    I know there is no coil bind or popping sound with the EMD springs... I assume that is the case with the 034 springs as well.

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    Has anyone experienced a shock failure while lowered? I've seen two people cite lowering springs leading to blown rear shocks within a few thousand miles on the forums recently.

    I'm looking to go with the 034 springs in the next few months, but would like to see if anyone has experienced any issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richib86 View Post
    Im DAP
    So I suppose you are going to do a full alignment (including sensors and camera calibration) after you lower the car? I guess I need to pay to play...

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsjustjed View Post
    Has anyone experienced a shock failure while lowered? I've seen two people cite lowering springs leading to blown rear shocks within a few thousand miles on the forums recently.

    I'm looking to go with the 034 springs in the next few months, but would like to see if anyone has experienced any issues.
    This I read too. Kind of holding me back as well as it won't be covered by the warranty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsjustjed View Post
    Has anyone experienced a shock failure while lowered? I've seen two people cite lowering springs leading to blown rear shocks within a few thousand miles on the forums recently.

    I'm looking to go with the 034 springs in the next few months, but would like to see if anyone has experienced any issues.
    When I called my local German shop, to see what they would quote me for an install, they advised against installing so early into ownership. When I told them I have DAP, they said "IF" anything were to go wrong, it could be very expansive, due to a possible warranty refusal. Thought about calling the dealership and seeing what they say about it. I've been told the dealer is pretty cool with tuning/modding, but don't have any actual info from the dealership themselves. I'm a little hesitant on calling the dealer though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicotino15 View Post
    I chose 034 springs based on them seeming to be more handling focused. I don't know much about the differences in progressive vs linear and optimal spring rates, but I felt a good improvement in cornering stability. Ride comfort went down a bit, but it's hard for me to gage bc I literally changed jobs and started commuting to downtown which has unbelievably poor road conditions. I had adjustable coilovers with ohlins on my last S4 and I knew I didn't want to mess with that again...

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    So, pretty similar deal for me. I went through 4 suspension setups on my B8 S4 (including a Stasis Ohlins setup), and decided at least initially, I was going to go with lowering springs on the B9. I also work in downtown Dallas, and yes the roads are terrible (at least compared to Plano where I live). If you are around downtown in the next few days, I wouldn't mind checking it out....
    Last edited by jran76; 01-08-2019 at 09:47 PM.
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    2002 S4 : Black : Black Leather : 6-Speed : Stage 2+ : Slowly Dying in My Driveway....

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsjustjed View Post
    Has anyone experienced a shock failure while lowered?
    shocks blown? just a good excuse to go the full coil-over route.

    I have around 3K miles on lowering springs, shocks are fine so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsjustjed View Post
    Has anyone experienced a shock failure while lowered? I've seen two people cite lowering springs leading to blown rear shocks within a few thousand miles on the forums recently.

    I'm looking to go with the 034 springs in the next few months, but would like to see if anyone has experienced any issues.
    What forum have you seen this on? Links?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cseaman View Post
    What forum have you seen this on? Links?
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