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    Do you guys know if cooling via HX even helps?

    How does Methanol Injection help - would it satisfy DP charge cooling?

    Basically I wonder if just dealing with the charge air temperatures is the problem and cooling of the engine is not

    Therefore wouldn't meth injection just solve the DP problem with no need for a HX?

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    Yes cooling with a heat exchanger does help and so does water/meth. Once the IATs get above about 70C the car will switch to a lower timing map. And that will happen after a few WOT gear pulls. At Stage 2 when it is hot at it would happen as well. You can do a couple full 3rd gear WOT pulls to the 4th gear change and see what the IATs look like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris@EPL View Post
    Yes cooling with a heat exchanger does help and so does water/meth. Once the IATs get above about 70C the car will switch to a lower timing map. And that will happen after a few WOT gear pulls. At Stage 2 when it is hot at it would happen as well. You can do a couple full 3rd gear WOT pulls to the 4th gear change and see what the IATs look like.
    What is the pre inter cooler IAT and post intercooler IAT - do you know?

    Because my coolant temperature is always hotter than 70C so if the air is going through a charge cooler with 100C coolant how on earth could it cool it?

    I am trying to know which cooling option would be best for me. I can sense a large difference in power based on ambient air temperature. I think water/meth is the only way to solve it?

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    My coolant temperature doesn't seem to change much when I drive fast or slow last time I checked which makes me think hx does not much and only true way is methanol injection

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    Coolant temp is not related to IATs
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    Quote Originally Posted by NickLim View Post
    What is the pre inter cooler IAT and post intercooler IAT - do you know?

    Because my coolant temperature is always hotter than 70C so if the air is going through a charge cooler with 100C coolant how on earth could it cool it?

    I am trying to know which cooling option would be best for me. I can sense a large difference in power based on ambient air temperature. I think water/meth is the only way to solve it?
    Nick, I was able to scan these items with the torque pro app.

    IAT - intake air temp - air temp in the intake manifold.

    CAC temp 1 and temp 2 - charge air cooler temp - Not sure if this is the coolant or air being measured.

    ECT - engine coolant temp

    This should be included with rpm and load when scanning so you know what’s going on.

    You always have the ability to monitor ambient air temp as well in the dash and possible on the scanner.







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    If IAT is the only problem and coolant temp doesn't affect IAT the only way to solve high IAT is methanol injection O_O

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indskyz View Post
    Nick, I was able to scan these items with the torque pro app.

    IAT - intake air temp - air temp in the intake manifold.

    CAC temp 1 and temp 2 - charge air cooler temp - Not sure if this is the coolant or air being measured.

    ECT - engine coolant temp

    This should be included with rpm and load when scanning so you know what’s going on.

    You always have the ability to monitor ambient air temp as well in the dash and possible on the scanner.







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    I have IAT on torque lite also and it doesn't give me any data

    Would torque pro give me data?

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    Yes. It did for me


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    Get in on the C6A6 introductory deal. Email or PM for a package deal not listed.

    Stage 1 and a cable for $999
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    Cables, SC pulleys, belts, 183mm Fluidampr Crank pulley kits are all in stock and ready to ship.
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    More Stage 1 and Stage 2 cars flashed today.
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    Shout-out to EPL! Best tune for c6

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    EPL C6A6 Stage 1, Stage 2 and soon Dual Pulley tunes

    Quote Originally Posted by NickLim View Post
    Shout-out to EPL! Best tune for c6
    NickLim what tune did you get? Any Dyno numbers of before and after?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Indskyz View Post
    NickLim what tune did you get? Any Dyno numbers of before and after?


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    I went stage 2 with supercharger pulley!

    No Dyno yet

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    Cables, SC pulleys, belts, 183mm Fluidampr Crank pulley kits are all in stock and ready to ship.
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    Cables, SC pulleys, belts, tablets and 183mm Fluidampr Crank Pulley kits are in stock and ready to ship.
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    We will be closed on Monday Oct 8th in observance of Columbus Day.
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    We are working on the DP files. And we will keep the introductory pricing in effect until we release the DP files. After that point the pricing will go back to normal.
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    Cost for DP tune with pulley?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Indskyz View Post
    Cost for DP tune with pulley?


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    Shoot me a PM or email and with the 183mm Fluidampr crank pulley kit?
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    Beginning this week we are reintroducing our pulley tool rental program on a very limited trial basis. The rentals tools we are having made are the simplest and most well-constructed we have seen to date.

    Terms for tool rental are as follows:

    -$200 deposit is required

    -A $25-dollar charge is deducted for each 5 business day cycle the tool is out (cycle ends when you provide tracking information back to us showing movement, not when we receive the tool).

    -The tool is ONLY to be used with hand tools taking care to properly clean and lubricate before use (we will be supplying lube)

    -Tell us if you broke it! You likely won’t loose your whole deposit if the tool has been in service for a while. If we receive a broken tool back with you contacting us, you forfeit any chance of your deposit being returned.

    -US shipping only

    -And just for EPL customers

    This is a test run to see if this is going to work…. last time we offered this service, the tools were returned damaged more often than not.

    Shoot us an email if you would like to rent!
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    Just got our first SC pulley tool back from a customer and everything looks great. Lets keep it up.
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    We have the tools in stock and can ship them out with a SC order. More cables are arriving today.
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    Cables, SC pulleys, belts, tablets, SC pulley removal tools and 183mm Fluidampr Crank Pulley kits are in stock and ready to ship.
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    Let us know if you are interested in the SC pulley removal tools at the time of purchase and we can include it when we ship out the cable, pulley and belt.
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    Vouch

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    Vouch

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    More SC pulley removal tools are making their rounds with great results.
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    If IAT is always under 70*C is there a pulley ratio after which no more HP will be generated on pump gas?

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    Basically at which point is boost limited by octane rather than IAT ?

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    Boost is limited by the pulley ratio and elevation mostly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris@EPL View Post
    Boost is limited by the pulley ratio and elevation mostly.
    But is there a boost level after which point any more boost is futile because pump gas can't handle it?

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    No not really. If you have good 93 and the IATs are in check. But that would not be until DP and a high ratio.
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