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    Angry trouble on the B9 board , new design engine failing!!!

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    there have been three postings about b9 engine catastrophic failure with 10,000 miles or less on the engine! One picture showed metal bits found in oil pan. First year on any car production is worry some ! Our engines have TSB for chain rattle. The noise returned in two cars some 6 months later after TSB was performed! It is a difficult fix even for skilled techs, and if issue comes up again why do it. It seems AUDI is like other car makers!
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    Yeah I was thinking about posting that here just to kind of remind us how damn lucky we are with the 3.0T. Supposedly they stopped production on the new engines and they're not meeting european emission regulations???

    I've had two B8 A4 cars that each had 2 engine replacements. There was just so many shit parts on those engines from bad turbos, bad pistons/rings, bad timing chains, tensioners, cam bridges, guides, etc, etc. Complete crap. The B6 S4 I had I luckily got rid of before I had to do engine out timing chains.

    The 3.0T is damn near bullet proof in comparison... and even the first year 2010 models. So what you have to replace a thermostat or PCV or maybe a DSG circuit board? Gladly.

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    Yikes!

    I was planning on trading in on a B9 S4/S5 within the next 8-12 months. Looks like that will be on hold and I may hang on to this car longer and waiting to see what changes the 2nd model year bring, if any.
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    That is very unfortunate to hear about the B9's, 3 to many engine failures. Hopefully this doesn't turn into the B6/7 timing chain. Fingers crossed that this problem gets fixed because Ill have a open parking spot with in the next year.

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    it failed when it came auto only.

    also who wants a s4 thats reliable. b5,6,7 and now 9 are correct our b8s are the weird ones.
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    Is the B9 engine significantly different from the 3.0 in the B8 other than having turbos instead of a supercharger? I figured that they would be basically the same engine with just a different type of forced induction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimcoily View Post
    That is very unfortunate to hear about the B9's, 3 to many engine failures. Hopefully this doesn't turn into the B6/7 timing chain. Fingers crossed that this problem gets fixed because Ill have a open parking spot with in the next year.
    Timing chains(tensioners) on B6/B7 didn't generally fail until it had well over 50K miles on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr GP View Post
    Is the B9 engine significantly different from the 3.0 in the B8 other than having turbos instead of a supercharger? I figured that they would be basically the same engine with just a different type of forced induction.
    from what i understand it is very different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr GP View Post
    Is the B9 engine significantly different from the 3.0 in the B8 other than having turbos instead of a supercharger? I figured that they would be basically the same engine with just a different type of forced induction.
    From my understanding the new engine is a ďhot vĒ just like the 4.0tt guys , the turbos sit in the center of the v and the intakes are where most of us are used to seeing the exhaust manifolds


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr GP View Post
    Is the B9 engine significantly different from the 3.0 in the B8 other than having turbos instead of a supercharger? I figured that they would be basically the same engine with just a different type of forced induction.
    Not the same at all.
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    Why did they feel like they needed to make the engine switch...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melen2120 View Post
    From my understanding the new engine is a ďhot vĒ just like the 4.0tt guys , the turbos sit in the center of the v and the intakes are where most of us are used to seeing the exhaust manifolds


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    I think he was talking about the actual 3.0l part of it not the power adders. They did happen to place the turbo in the V where our SC is but my understanding is that the 3.0l has different drive cycles, different cylinder walls/liners (and likely then different pistons), different location of direct injectors, different block cooling. Id imagine if those parts are listed as different than there are a TON more that are different. Probably most everything.


    Quote Originally Posted by Morritse View Post
    Why did they feel like they needed to make the engine switch...

    See post 5 above by tar. They saw how reliable the B8/B8.5 engine was and this is completely foreign to Audi. They needed to get back to their homeostasis of making fast, technologically innovative, and completely unreliable engines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhvrdr View Post

    See post 5 above by tar. They saw how reliable the B8/B8.5 engine was and this is completely foreign to Audi. They needed to get back to their homeostasis of making fast, technologically innovative, and completely unreliable engines.

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    This got me. It is so damn true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr GP View Post
    Is the B9 engine significantly different from the 3.0 in the B8 other than having turbos instead of a supercharger? I figured that they would be basically the same engine with just a different type of forced induction.
    different design, BTW timing chains on front of engine, not rear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jygesq View Post
    different design, BTW timing chains on front of engine, not rear.
    Well, they got something right, then....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr GP View Post
    Timing chains(tensioners) on B6/B7 didn't generally fail until it had well over 50K miles on it.
    That's even worse, just out of warranty

    Wasn't aware that the engines were so vastly different

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    Quote Originally Posted by EIAlfonso View Post
    That's even worse, just out of warranty

    Wasn't aware that the engines were so vastly different
    If it's bad enough maybe they'll be a lawsuit like I'm a 2.0t
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    DR GP
    I was saying that pretty much every B6/7 S4 was going to have timing chain rattle at some point, and that hopefully this failure of 3 B9 S4 engines doesn't become a problem that every B9 S4 is going to have down the road. As a former B6 S4 owner I'm very happy all I have to worry about is push to start (6mt), crank pulley failure, cats going out and supercharger intercoolers going out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimcoily View Post
    DR GP
    I was saying that pretty much every B6/7 S4 was going to have timing chain rattle at some point, and that hopefully this failure of 3 B9 S4 engines doesn't become a problem that every B9 S4 is going to have down the road. As a former B6 S4 owner I'm very happy all I have to worry about is push to start (6mt), crank pulley failure, cats going out and supercharger intercoolers going out.
    Reread the thread it sounds like alot more than 3 people already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tar View Post
    Reread the thread it sounds like alot more than 3 people already.
    Yup. Sounds like a pretty big problem.

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    Thatís why I never buy first year European car, always wait til the second or third year

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    ...And it is ugly with a stupid screen sticking up out of the dash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chilort View Post
    ...And it is ugly with a stupid screen sticking up out of the dash.
    Yeah, that is a weird new trend with car brands that I really hope is short lived.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 303 Spartan View Post
    Yeah, that is a weird new trend with car brands that I really hope is short lived.
    I believe that is here to stay. There are a lot of new requirements around placement of those screens. I canít remeber the exact document, but itís some report showing that these screens should be high enough so that the drivers eye sight is only a certain number of degrees downward. There are also rules around how quickly the back up camera needs to come on which makes the pop up in the A3 invalid also. With that said, Iíd be shocked if our B8 screens were not compliant. It seems high enough up and the integrated design is awesome

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    Quote Originally Posted by 303 Spartan View Post
    Yeah, that is a weird new trend with car brands that I really hope is short lived.
    +1 million. Deal breaker for me as I would see it and hate it every drive
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    Quote Originally Posted by TMurt View Post
    I believe that is here to stay. There are a lot of new requirements around placement of those screens. I canít remeber the exact document, but itís some report showing that these screens should be high enough so that the drivers eye sight is only a certain number of degrees downward. There are also rules around how quickly the back up camera needs to come on which makes the pop up in the A3 invalid also. With that said, Iíd be shocked if our B8 screens were not compliant. It seems high enough up and the integrated design is awesome
    There's no reason why they couldn't be motorized and slide out or pop up. Except for cost cutting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 303 Spartan View Post
    Yikes!

    I was planning on trading in on a B9 S4/S5 within the next 8-12 months. Looks like that will be on hold and I may hang on to this car longer and waiting to see what changes the 2nd model year bring, if any.
    I was looking now, but luckily never found what I wanted. I'm definitely putting this search on hold until we know better what's going on. I mistakenly thought the motor only had minor changes from the previous bulletproof version.
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    I now have to believe that the B8 S4 was an anomaly. So Audi got rid of a really great engine that with a slight ECU upgrade could give the exact same performance as the B9 3.0 turbo engine. And then they also get rid of the 6MT and S-tronic trans, Heads need to roll!. Everyone still holding onto their b8 s4s has got to feel good about the decision.But what do you get if and when you want to upgrade or just want something new?

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    Audi will probably blame the problem on improper break in technique!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr GP View Post
    I now have to believe that the B8 S4 was an anomaly. So Audi got rid of a really great engine that with a slight ECU upgrade could give the exact same performance as the B9 3.0 turbo engine. And then they also get rid of the 6MT and S-tronic trans, Heads need to roll!. Everyone still holding onto their b8 s4s has got to feel good about the decision.But what do you get if and when you want to upgrade or just want something new?
    Iím definitely happy, I was very close to grabbing an S5 SB. Hopefully they sort this out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr GP View Post
    I now have to believe that the B8 S4 was an anomaly. So Audi got rid of a really great engine that with a slight ECU upgrade could give the exact same performance as the B9 3.0 turbo engine. And then they also get rid of the 6MT and S-tronic trans, Heads need to roll!. Everyone still holding onto their b8 s4s has got to feel good about the decision.But what do you get if and when you want to upgrade or just want something new?
    My next car will be the facelift RS3 if it gains the flared fenders like the new RS models (RS5, new Euro-spec RS4 Avant etc) are beginning to flaunt.
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    Yikes. Assuming a tune was coming, this was on the short list of next car.

    Are S6's reliable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjw View Post
    Yikes. Assuming a tune was coming, this was on the short list of next car.

    Are S6's reliable?
    Local guy here bought a 39k dollar used s6 like 2 years ago now and grabbed some used rs7 turbos from overseas for a couple grand and runs mid to high 10s all day long no matter what the weather. I saw him snap an axle once and he told me it was literally 150 in parts and 2 hours to replace

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjw View Post
    Yikes. Assuming a tune was coming, this was on the short list of next car.

    Are S6's reliable?
    MTM has a tune. Your's for only Euro6450, but the air filter is included for free.......
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    BMW in 2001-2003 had issues with engine bearings and the oil type used causing engine failures which got corrected.

    Dodge has had troubles with hellcat motors grenading (not demons) with low miles

    Many manufacturers have had issues...Audi/VW is not immune to this. We have heard Lamborghini, etc have had low mileage engine failures among other companies. If companies were willing to invest the "TIME" into R&D in different climates/fuel types they could likely avoid much of this warranty crap we are seeing with issues. Thx for posting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corradobrit View Post
    There's no reason why they couldn't be motorized and slide out or pop up. Except for cost cutting.
    There are also new regs that require full deployment to occur within a very short period, making it not an option with the B9 cars.

    I've lived with the B9 S4 for about 9 months now. The lower dash, and dash mounted screen works pretty well. Overall visibility is improved, and the screen placement is not bothersome at all. Now my S3 screen... I disliked it a lot. It was the tallest part of the dash, and just floated literally on top of the dash.

    As with anything, you need to live with it for a bit. Not make an assessment based off of test drive or even only a photo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr GP View Post
    I now have to believe that the B8 S4 was an anomaly. So Audi got rid of a really great engine that with a slight ECU upgrade could give the exact same performance as the B9 3.0 turbo engine. And then they also get rid of the 6MT and S-tronic trans, Heads need to roll!. Everyone still holding onto their b8 s4s has got to feel good about the decision.But what do you get if and when you want to upgrade or just want something new?
    I concur! I love our B8 S4 and want to keep it for as long as possible, but do worry that if another distracted driver hits us and totals it, we'll have to make a quick decision on a replacement. I can't stand the tablet on the top of the dash screens or the quilted seats either. Alternatives like the Panamera or S/RS7 are bigger than I really want or need. The RS5 SB would be a contender except for that tablet (assuming a ventilated, non-quilted seat option is available). I hope Audi is paying attention to what their customers are seeking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mops@Nemesis View Post
    There are also new regs that require full deployment to occur within a very short period, making it not an option with the B9 cars.

    I've lived with the B9 S4 for about 9 months now. The lower dash, and dash mounted screen works pretty well. Overall visibility is improved, and the screen placement is not bothersome at all. Now my S3 screen... I disliked it a lot. It was the tallest part of the dash, and just floated literally on top of the dash.

    As with anything, you need to live with it for a bit. Not make an assessment based off of test drive or even only a photo.
    I lived with the fixed tombstone display on a B9 A4 loaner for 2 weeks while I had the cold start rattle TSB work done, and my opinion never changed. There has to be a better option. I don't see many other makers adopting this design.

    The A3's is retractible.
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    Hate to read about those engines. Glad to have the 3.0 in the S4 and Q7.

    Q7s are also moving to fixed nav screens btw
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