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    Heads up for B9 S4/5 guys...... Bosch BMW ECU/DME has been cracked.... same as B9

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    Guys just wanted to let everyone know since I follow the BMW boards that the Bosch ECU/DME that are in the BMWs (which is the same as the B9 Audis) has finally been cracked for flashing. (finally)

    They are supposed to start flash tuning 335's and 340's in the next few weeks, so its only a matter of time until APR, Revo, and everyone else follow suit for Audi models.

    If anyone wants to read....

    http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54066

    Just a friendly update for everyone. :)

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    Brace yourself #TD1 is coming lol

    But thatís awesome news. Subscribed


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    Heard a rumor MTM was in the MG1 ECU as well but wasn't able to find any info on it. From the n54 link it appears they are able to keep the dealer ID and original programming ID which sounds promising for those concerned about being flagged for TD1. Can't wait to see what the S4 can put out with a proper tune.

    Found this video on the Femto OBD Flasher: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2_Rzurc1Dc

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave329 View Post
    Brace yourself #TD1 is coming lol

    But thatís awesome news. Subscribed


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    Where are you living, on the moon? Epl offers flash @home tuning, no TD1 if you flash back to stock before going to the dealer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logtec View Post
    Where are you living, on the moon? Epl offers flash @home tuning, no TD1 if you flash back to stock before going to the dealer.
    If they dig they will find it. Just depends if itís a regular service/recall or if itís a big repair.


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    Awesome news, thanks for sharing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nez136 View Post
    If they dig they will find it. Just depends if itís a regular service/recall or if itís a big repair.


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    No they won't, I even had my gearbox repairs all done under warranty.

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    If everyone waits a few weeks for bootmod or one of the big vendors to come out with the tuning solution the TD1 doesn't get flagged in the ECU.

    Its the same as if you guys had an APR emcs tune in your car in the past..... if you flashed back to stock its imperceptible.

    Bootmod saves a complete copy of your stock map, and runs the flashed map. When you go into service if you flash the car all the way back to stock (your copied stock map) the car will not show anything was done at all. There's tons of info about it online. The new style M3 and M4 have been running this type of flash for a few years now. When you go back to the stock map even if you have engine damage, the car just shows it was trying to meet the target boost the DME was calling for, thats what took so long for them to crack in this ECU..... because when they lowered the target numbers and the car went to make more boost to meet the new target (higher boost but stock to the DME) , the new DME would lean the car out instead of richen it, or back the boost or timing or both off until the target came back up. Tough to explain.... BUT NO TD1 definitely.

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    So you guys are saying that there would be no logs that would throw a red flag that can be seen if they dig deep enough? Even after thousands if not 10s of thousands of miles driven with a modified DME?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Logtec View Post
    No they won't, I even had my gearbox repairs all done under warranty.
    Which car and what tune did you have ? Thatís pretty awesome news


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    Heads up for B9 S4/5 guys...... Bosch BMW ECU/DME has been cracked.... same as B9

    Quote Originally Posted by Logtec View Post
    Where are you living, on the moon? Epl offers flash @home tuning, no TD1 if you flash back to stock before going to the dealer.
    Lol ok buddy. Thereís plenty of ways Audi now can tell if cars were flashed. Even when flashed back to stock EPL, APR, or the likes... trust me. Not my first rodeo.

    Plus the TD1 comment was meant as a joke... the B8 board blew up with those topics /threads. Now with this platform nearing with an actual ecu tune Iím excited honestly. Just like anything else you gotta pay to play. Nothing has changed.


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    Heads up for B9 S4/5 guys...... Bosch BMW ECU/DME has been cracked.... same as B9

    Quote Originally Posted by Logtec View Post
    No they won't, I even had my gearbox repairs all done under warranty.
    Iíve had my gearbox repaired as well. It was depends on dealership and tech. After the dealer fixed the car they (AoA) wanted to run a spec actual scan on the car. These cars have black boxes too. They record the boost levels, and all that stuff. Like the previous person said if they want to dig into it they can find it. Audi can now tell if cars were flashed by drive assistance system now as well.


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    Features that may make it a little harder to detect a tune.

    Benefits
    FEMTO calculates all checksums inside FLASH (also known as CS)
    CVN and CALID will be automatically corrected to match stock
    Dealer program ID number remains the same as original
    Date of programming will not be changed

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    More info guys:

    Officially released on the BMW 340 and 330. It also states that it will not throw the TD1 code and is UNDETECTABLE as the DME is fooled into being frozen in time.... it doesn't log or store information when it's flashed onto the new program, when you flash it back to virtual stock, it begins to work as it does from the factory..... if you read the article here, it explains it in better language then I can:

    https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1516067

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverBoosted View Post
    Features that may make it a little harder to detect a tune.

    Benefits
    FEMTO calculates all checksums inside FLASH (also known as CS)
    CVN and CALID will be automatically corrected to match stock
    Dealer program ID number remains the same as original
    Date of programming will not be changed
    Until the OEM catches on, reflash ECU and locks it out again. I say keep quiet/don't advertise the intricacy of the hack and they will never know..
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    jeez, if this is accurate, this is amazing!
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    Just a game of cat and mouse. Possibly undetectable "for now".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loe View Post
    jeez, if this is accurate, this is amazing!
    My exact thought! Hopefully a definite answer arises

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    just curious, will they be able to "patch" the ECU in the future so they can detect the tune? i wonder if that has ever happened before

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    Sub'd, here is a dutch company that has cracked DME on BMWs that I found going down the rabbit hole on a few sites. They are showing pretty serious gains. Not clear if this is a target or if they have already tuned to 440hp/~457tq. Pretty exciting potential!

    https://www.br-performance.be/nl-be/...1-s4-3-0-tfsi/

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    A few companies already selling the flashes.

    It's only a matter of time before Audi tuners announce something...... would be great timing with waterfest being this weekend. :D

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    Same ECU on the new RS5 as well correct?


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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteRock View Post
    Same ECU on the new RS5 as well correct?


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    Quote Originally Posted by GTburn View Post
    Sure is.
    Damn....might be a good time to order up a new RS5 :)


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    I contacted Revo, they told that yes the B9 models Bosch Ecu is the same type as on the cracked Bmw models but the encryption is different, so bad news for us...
    Last edited by Logtec; 07-22-2018 at 05:30 AM.

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    I was wondering what the hype is about since audi and BMW obviously donít program ecus the same. Encryption should have nothing to do with the hardware itself. Basically this is a useless thread.


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    I am predicting 10s from this platform with not much work

    11s with stage 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickLim View Post
    I am predicting 10s from this platform with not much work

    11s with stage 1
    Speaking with the APR reps today at Waterfest, they stated they now have the cars talking so theu should be releasing soon and no later than 6 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickLim View Post
    I am predicting 10s from this platform with not much work

    11s with stage 1
    11's for sure, I am already at 11.89@115 in 1500' DA's with just a piggyback and intake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteRock View Post
    Same ECU on the new RS5 as well correct?


    Pete
    When I spoke with my local APR dealer they said that the RS3 and RS5 run older encryption that's already been cracked. The S4s S5s, several other more mass market vehicles are running newer encryption on the new ECU. He told me to expect the RS5 tune before the S4 tune for this reason. That's just one guy at a shop, but he's been right about other APR tunes when I was waiting for them after a change in ECU/encryption. I could be misquoting on the ECU/Encryption differences, but the takeaway is that the S4 is still in the works and the RS5 should be sooner in the pipeline.

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    Im thinking already selling the car, so disappointed that they cant crack it open...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logtec View Post
    Im thinking already selling the car, so disappointed that they cant crack it open...
    Did you really buy a car with the sole purpose of ECU tuning it only? Surely you realize there are other benefits to this car besides tuning potential, I mean there are a lot of cheaper options to go tune crazy on starting with B8/B8.5.



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