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    So today was a fruitful day at our local Espresso and Exotics hanging out with my fellow Audi club members. It was decided that I am going to be taking Stormy to uncharted territory in search of maximum power. So here are the plans:

    1) Going to go with a custom Dual Pulley tune using a 185mm lower pulley and keeping my AWE upper pulley.
    2) Adding water/methanol injection to cool down the intake charge. This will be accomplished by sandwiching 2 injector plates (bank 1 and bank 2) between the supercharger and the intake manifold. These plates will house 6 individual injectors (one for each cylinder). These will be connected to a small pump housed in the cowl in front of the windshield. The supply tank will be a 2.5 gallon unit in the truck. Activation of the water/meth will be boost related. Once the ECU reads a certain boost pressure from the MAP, it will trigger the injectors. This way, the water/meth is only being used ďon demandĒ but controlled automatically.

    Since this is all of this is going to be custom to the A6 3.0t, development may take some time (especially the custom dyno tune) but if all works as expected, it will take Stormy to over 500 AWHP. As my tuner has a dyno in house, I will be getting base line readings, then additional readings as we progress (with/without water/meth) then pump and race gas runs. So stay tuned.....

    As a side benefit, the water/meth injection will completely eliminate any carbon buildup issues.

    I am pretty excited to be honest!!


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    Let me know how this goes. Planning on doing dual pulley with e85 tuns so id be interested to see how this turns out

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmaclax013 View Post
    Let me know how this goes. Planning on doing dual pulley with e85 tuns so id be interested to see how this turns out
    I contemplated doing an E85 map, but it is getting harder to find and the stations that do have it are testing out at 70%.

    I will post up here as I go!


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    Yes!

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    This is going to be amazing. I love that this will help with the carbon issue. You're just going to have to drive it hard as part of 'maintenance'.



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    Super excited to follow the progress on this!!!!!!


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    Like a WWE crowd chant; "THIS-IS-AWE-SOME!" :)

    Cool stuff man, Im actually more excited by the process of customization and discovery as you make items work, than I am for the final result, lol. To me the fun is in the "making it work" part of the build. The end result is just an excuse to earn yourself a good beer lolol.

    I am curious about one thing though... Any particular reason why you are looking into making custom sandwich plates under the S/C, Versus say just a nozzle ahead of the TB (or even drill and tapping a fitting in the elbow behind the TB on a straight shot into the S/C)?
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    Can't wait to see the results. This is going to be epic!!!, sub!

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    Subscribed, Iím really excited to see how this turns out. I feel like our platform has hit a bit of a plateau as far as mods go, Iím super curious about the results


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    Quote Originally Posted by 95blkmax View Post
    Like a WWE crowd chant; "THIS-IS-AWE-SOME!" :)

    Cool stuff man, Im actually more excited by the process of customization and discovery as you make items work, than I am for the final result, lol. To me the fun is in the "making it work" part of the build. The end result is just an excuse to earn yourself a good beer lolol.

    I am curious about one thing though... Any particular reason why you are looking into making custom sandwich plates under the S/C, Versus say just a nozzle ahead of the TB (or even drill and tapping a fitting in the elbow behind the TB on a straight shot into the S/C)?
    I had originally thought of the single nozzle for ease of install, but the thought of individual nozzles ensures more control and equal distribution into each cylinder. Plus, I feel that this provides maximum cooling benefit as there is no time for heat soak to raise the intake temps as there may be with pushing it through the TB into the supercharger and thought the intercoolers.


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    Sounds cool. Iíd like to see someone do something in the transmission department for our cars.. My idea was to get into the tcm coding and find out how to force the torque converter to lock in sport or manual mode. Think thatíll make our shifts more punchy.


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    Hey Sin,

    Looking forward to seeing what you guys are able to come up with. I have a B8 S4 as well...and with the E85....even with a HPFP to get the capacity for the fuel pump, the injectors run out of steam on a dual pulley setup. Not sure anyone has found any upgraded injectors yet, though there is a theory that the S3 injectors may work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApostolSauce View Post
    Sounds cool. Iíd like to see someone do something in the transmission department for our cars.. My idea was to get into the tcm coding and find out how to force the torque converter to lock in sport or manual mode. Think thatíll make our shifts more punchy.


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    There is a company in Phoenix (Level 10) that builds our transmissions to handle up to 1000hp. I looking at getting a new trans from them rated to 750. I will talk with them to see what options may be available....


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    Quote Originally Posted by juniorcruzer View Post
    Hey Sin,

    Looking forward to seeing what you guys are able to come up with. I have a B8 S4 as well...and with the E85....even with a HPFP to get the capacity for the fuel pump, the injectors run out of steam on a dual pulley setup. Not sure anyone has found any upgraded injectors yet, though there is a theory that the S3 injectors may work.

    Jon
    This is a thought if mine as well. My concern is that the water/meth will have the potential to lean out the mixture if the stock injectors canít deliver enough fuel. That will be something to look further into as we get down the road a bit.


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    Here is a pic of the injector plates that will be sandwiched between the supercharger and the intake manifold. We will need to lengthen the studs holding the supercharger and lengthen the tube going from the PCV to the supercharger.
    IMG_3829.jpg

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    Well since you already have the plates, why not huh? lolol Way to blaze a new trail dude! I too am curious as to what you can dig up with Level10.
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    I'm very excited to see this! I added methanol injection on my S4 on top of E85, it made a huge difference in consistency of power and I'm sure it will do the same for you!

    As for ethanol fuels, don't get held up on the E70 issue. Even E54 is a big step up from any pump gas and you don't get the full fuel mileage penalty of E85. Many tuners on several platforms are actually suggesting <E85 now for balance of knock and detonation resistance and performance gain while increasing fuel efficiency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SinCityA6 View Post
    Here is a pic of the injector plates that will be sandwiched between the supercharger and the intake manifold. We will need to lengthen the studs holding the supercharger and lengthen the tube going from the PCV to the supercharger.
    IMG_3829.jpg

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    Out of curiosity do you think youll run into hood clearance issues if the the supercharger sits another 2 inches or so higher?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmaclax013 View Post
    Out of curiosity do you think youll run into hood clearance issues if the the supercharger sits another 2 inches or so higher?
    Actually, it is about an inch gain in height. No clearance issues.


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