Zingrox's B8 A4 Build

[Novarider]

They have done some neat projects, have some expensive cars and the owner has information and connections that are undeniable. They started from humble beginnings and grew.

I do not wish to trash their name, but regardless this is what happened to me. I'd never go back though, communication was terrible and extremely difficult in addition to everything else. I'm sure they'd be great at fabrication or something, maybe standard maintenance. Take that as you will.

I'm debating my options currently

I sure as hell would!

[lettuce]

I remember reading a story on the B8 S4 forum I think about some dude who brought his car to a jiffy lube to get his oil changed, and they took an exacto knife and sliced out a hole in the belly pan to access the drain plug instead of unbolting it, then drained the DSG instead of the motor by accident, then topped the motor off with 5 quarts of oil, and then drove it out of the shop to give to the customer. With 10 quarts of oil in the engine and an empty transmission. I remember how horrible I thought that was and how mad I would be if that were me. This is worse. I'm sorry this happened to you, and I hope the options you're debating involve some serious compensation for you.

[eljay]

Did anyone figure out a way to adapt the V8 ECU to B8 2.0L chassis yet? Just polling the audience as that is/was the stumbling block at the heart of this journey. NOSB Performance in Poland has done a couple of swaps, but not sure how they handled the ECU.

[whats77inaname]

What. In. The. Actual. F*CK.

You don't have to worry about trashing their name....seems like they're quite self-sufficient in doing that.

I know that this is a demoralizing situation, but I hope you're considering legal action or will pursue reimbursement. And don't worry.....we're all feeling the outrage and the pain along with you. Let us know how things pan out.

[Zingrox]

Did anyone figure out a way to adapt the V8 ECU to B8 2.0L chassis yet? Just polling the audience as that is/was the stumbling block at the heart of this journey. NOSB Performance in Poland has done a couple of swaps, but not sure how they handled the ECU.

Actually talked to that guy quite a bit. That kind of thing seems to be a trade secret, even cracking the immo is fairly hush hush on the 9.1.1

The MED17, though, is way more widespread. Depending on how this goes, I'll continue investigating myself. Though the way it seems is that it's not just the ECU immo you need to work with. Even with an ecu with a known working deleted immobilizer taken off a working vehicle, car would not go fully through start authentication. I plan to find where the process stops and how to fix, but everything is so secret on these that I'll have to do it the hard way. So much as pinouts or actual wiring diagrams are rare

Thanks for all the support, too, during this unfortunate issue. I'll make sure to let you all know what ends up happening

[Zingrox]

The shop didn't respond to my email - and my warning after they didn't respond to the first one. I'm basically forced to take further action. I'm between eating the cost of a full interior swap and a totalled project and car
If they pay for the interior swap I'll deal with it and do the work on that condition. I currently have tried several products and have an ozone generator (great item to have for smells and mold!) on the interior. The leather accepted no product and is like plastic, ruined. I can't do anything else, I paid 30$/small bottle and it didn't make a noticeable difference. I'm really trying not to be forced to legally force money out of them but they're making it difficult for me to defend them

[Nogaro_Please]

Any updates on this?

[Zingrox]

I held off working on the car for a while due to the interior being ruined. The shop will not answer any email or phone call, I emailed all his known emails and even called his personal phone and land line. He refuses to speak to me about it. I've left voicemails and several emails regarding the issue.

My ecu, which he "replaced" is also the same ecu I had in the car when I dropped it off. I know because I re-soldered one of the pads in it for a spring pin connection to read the eeprom while I tried to crack the ECU myself. I'm currently trying to crack it myself again, but the ecu refuses to read now. If I can get it to I've found someone actually useful who can help me rewrite the files. I'm unsure why the ecu no longer reads on a ktag unit now that I've gotten the car back. Once it finally decides to cooperate, and I can rewrite it, the engine should start, run and function just fine. Right now on ignition on the fuel primes, throttle body works, cam position, MAF and RPM (among others) all read from the ECU to a rosstech vag com. If I try to jump power to the starter, it turns over and sounds very healthy - but no spark. This is likely still an immobilizer issue based on that. I wanted him to virginize the ecu (so the car still has an immobilizer) and it seems that time was wasted and I should have just defeated it in the first place. In addition to nothing getting done and the car being damaged, all while I paid him to do so

In response to a few people asking about the manual swaps hand in my difficulties - it likely made the job easier. The ECU holds the software for your transmission. The TCU communicates to it, and if the ecu wasn't preloaded for that transmission software it would not work no matter what coding you try and do. Because I went with a manual, I don't need to mess with the TCU or harness. I did, however, need to be wary of what ECU I picked - it needed to be from a 4.2 with a manual. And it is. So with that my only issue I could have after doing the swap would be the ecu alone. If I went with another transmission, I would have more coding and likely body harness modification to do.

[Spawne32]

Zingrox if your still having issues getting the car cleaned, give Steve Persia a call over at Synergy Automotive Protection in Berlin, NJ. Not sure where your at in PA but he might be able to help you with getting it back to the way it was without feeling like the inside of the car is rancid. You really should post up the name of the shop that did this to you, to save other people at least from being a victim.

[Zingrox]

Thanks for the tip, Spawne32. Ill be sure to ask him. I'm sure he could help with my interior issue, which I assume will require a swap as well. Driver seat module seems to be dead because it wont move at all, water damage I'd guess

The shop is "AV Auto Worx"
124 Middleboro Rd Unit E and F
Wilmington, Delaware 19804

The owners name is James. Aside from ruining the car and project, ignoring all my calls and emails, poor communication while he had the car, telling me he replaced parts I know he didn't replace, stabbing into wires to meter or jump them through their insulation (very poor professionalism there), and then charging me for all of this and not accomplishing the agreed upon task - he's great.

[Novarider]

Still can't believe you haven't contacted a lawyer

[Zingrox]

With it being out of state I was unsure where to start. In addition to my naive thoughts that he'd actually respond to my very, VERY patient emails and calls. I asked politely for him to respond about the situation and his negligence before I'm forced to take further action. That was a failure on my end.

[whats77inaname]

With it being out of state I was unsure where to start. In addition to my naive thoughts that he'd actually respond to my very, VERY patient emails and calls. I asked politely for him to respond about the situation and his negligence before I'm forced to take further action. That was a failure on my end.

You can file civil lawsuits online in Delaware, w/no lawyer necessary. I'd start here:
https://courts.delaware.gov/efiling/

The site has training videos and the whole shooting match....everything you need to get started.

I'd also contact the BBB.

[fastboatster]

on to the topic of the swap itself, you def need to talk to a guy in Belarus who did an rs5 engine swap into his s5. In my understanding, he had a shop do it. They also reflashed several modules to completely remove the immobilizer, looks like it wasn't just an engine module. Not sure if you can get VW/Audi modules reflashes remotely, but I'd think that this can be done via ODIS.
They used an rs5 ecu and s5 harness connector had to be repinned to allow for a correct communication. Imo, worth giving his shop a "call" - http://dvs-service.by/, or an email rather since I doubt they'll be able to answer your questions over the phone due to the language barrier.

[Alcyone777]

I'm bringing this tread back to life. I want to know how the movie ended. LOL!

[JeZeus]

Unfortunately the movie had a bad ending.

[LuigiR8]

If there's an update on this that would be great. I am currently in the process (well already did) installing the CYMC 2018 Audi A4 EA888 Gen 3 B9 2.0T Engine and the DL501 7 speed DSG B9 (quattro transmission). As I've already replaced the CEAB Gen 2 engine & CVT Transmission after timing failed. Can't spill the secrets nor the beans on the transmission & ECU repining yet but all the work is all posted on my youtube channel of MotorHead Tech https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kydYQ7my07w&t=33s

I have purchased and also borrowing thousands of $ in software/coding/flashing/reprograming tools. We've made a ton of progress all from my garage in my home.

Edit: I own a 2013 Audi A4 that's going to be 500hp on the 4 cylinder engine

[AllroadAron]

Very cool


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[JeZeus]

Why didn't you go the route of a standalone ecu for the swap? It would of been a lot easier and cheaper. There are standalones that support transmission and differential management, as well as engine management.

Kudos to you for going the oem engine/trans/etc. management route tho, I hope it's going ok for you. The hardest part is coding the ecu. If you manage (or have managed) to crack the code and get everything working smoothly together, you will be (or are) an audi god.

[LuigiR8]

Because I cracked the code & everything went sucessfully according to plan even reprograming the DL501 S4 PWW USA spec 3.0 transmission to a USA spec 2018 A4 2.0T engine. Updates will be posted on my youtube channel very soon. I wanted OEM, standalone would have been way easier but I finally did it. I have passed so many brick walls & finally tore down the last brick wall.