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    So Iím getting ready to need pads and rotors and have been wanting to upgrade the brakes all together. I keep telling myself enough is enough but keep going. I hold off until I can justify like now...

    I have never tracked the car and probably wonít. I drive around town and long highway commutes. I am willing to spend money on the right setup but it kills me to waste money (I.e. Ecode endlinks..switching to moog after 2 months).

    The obvious choice is the Q5 upgrade but will I be happy/content? I know itís subjective but all I need is good braking and of course I like the cosmetic look. Then there are RS5 and true BBK. I donít want to have to mess with them after install and prefer to not change/retro fit anything. Lastly I donít want to overpower the bias and have to upgrade everything. A few questions:

    Anyone switch to the Q5 ECS kit and regret it? Why?

    Should I spend another 5-600 and get a bigger upgrade? Which one?

    Iíd prefer to hear personal experience but all knowledge is appreciated.

    Iíve told myself $3k-4K isnít going to happen for braking. I have a list of other mods Iíd prefer to invest in but want to stop when I need too. I feel I know the direction on rotors and pads already, Adams rotors and good ceramic pads. If thatís not a good direction please weigh in.


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    Donít pay ECS money for those Brembos. You can find a set in the classifieds or through car-part. You can use stock rotors from there. I have a set on my C5 Allroad which is much heavier than the B8 S4. Youíll need new lines and wear sensors as well.


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    Macan calipers are identical to q5 and you can get them brand new for 210 pe

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    I just did the Q5 upgrade last week. I haven't had a lot of time with it yet, but my initial impressions are good. I did it for the weight reduction - I ended up cutting 43.2 pounds with Q5 calipers + JHM LW front & rear rotors.

    If I could do it again, the only thing I would change is the pad. The ECS kit provides StopTech PosiQuiets. I would choose something a little more performance-oriented.

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    Thank you all for the input. Someone also reached out with a set of 370mm StaSIS as another option for sale. Anyone else running this setup?


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    Quote Originally Posted by BozMan-S4 View Post
    Thank you all for the input. Someone also reached out with a set of 370mm StaSIS as another option for sale. Anyone else running this setup?


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    I honestly don't see any reason to upgrade beyond the OEM S4 brakes if you don't plan to track your car. Spend your money elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEB View Post
    I honestly don't see any reason to upgrade beyond the OEM S4 brakes if you don't plan to track your car. Spend your money elsewhere.
    This. Put good fluid in the car and good pads on there.

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    I'd have to agree. I'm easy on my brakes.

    I'd consider a Q5/Macan upgrade - I'm assuming when every says direct bolt in, I just buy the caliper, new pads and that is it - no misc parts to use?

    I looked at some lightweight rotors and I think it was like $1500 to drop what 25 lbs? While ok, just seems like there is no bang for the buck there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEB View Post
    I honestly don't see any reason to upgrade beyond the OEM S4 brakes if you don't plan to track your car. Spend your money elsewhere.
    Ditto. This car has great brakes from the factory. Buy a good quality rotor and pad (I prefer EBC slotted rotors for a little flair and either EBC redstuff or akebono ceramic pads to reduce dust and cold squeal). Spend that extra cash elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEB View Post
    I honestly don't see any reason to upgrade beyond the OEM S4 brakes if you don't plan to track your car. Spend your money elsewhere.
    weight reduction.
    S4 B8.5 no track, just enjoying spirited driving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waxxonMTL View Post
    weight reduction.
    No amount of weight reduction from a brake upgrade is even going to be remotely noticeable on the street. Plus...it's a 4,000+lb pig with driver either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EstorilS4 View Post
    No amount of weight reduction from a brake upgrade is even going to be remotely noticeable on the street. Plus...it's a 4,000+lb pig with driver either way.
    how can you know if you didn't do it ? lol
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    I have coated Zimmermans with Akebono Ceramics in my garage for my B8.5 S4. I've ran them on my B7 A4 avant and they last *forever*.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhvrdr View Post
    This. Put good fluid in the car and good pads on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjw View Post
    I'd consider a Q5/Macan upgrade - I'm assuming when every says direct bolt in, I just buy the caliper, new pads and that is it - no misc parts to use?
    Yes, new pads with the calipers and they bolt right up. Move the existing wear sensor over on the driver side, it fits in the new pads (at least, it does on the StopTech PosiQuiets).

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    Quote Originally Posted by EstorilS4 View Post
    No amount of weight reduction from a brake upgrade is even going to be remotely noticeable on the street. Plus...it's a 4,000+lb pig with driver either way.
    Well.. it's unsprung weight. That's got more of an impact than it would if it were just the same weight removed from the body of the car itself.

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    I'm having a really hard time justifying a brake upgrade. I just keep trying to find a really great deal on an RS brake kit. Q5/Macan brembos at $200/caliper sounds pretty good. It's all just so expensive for the cars and I really do find stock brakes to be adequate. I only long for more braking power when coming down from go to jail speeds. I would like the weight savings as well, but that's much lower priority than a number of other things on my car at this time.

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    I had a similar dilemma when it came time to replace my rotors and pads. Similarly I don't plan on tracking anytime soon, and went with some Hella Pagid Carbon Coated Rotors, Akebono Ceramic Pads, and ECS stainless steel brake lines with Motul break fluid. For daily driving, and the occasional spirited canyon run the performance has been great, and 30k miles later hardly any wear. Plus eliminating the need to clean break dust off of my wheels every week has been a nice bonus.

    Cost me like $500 for the parts and another $700 to get them installed.
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    In theory, yes. Depends on where from the body the weight would be coming from to affirm such a claim. Either way, doesn't matter. Still doesn't make a noticeable impact on a daily driver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GandalfTheIbis View Post
    I'm having a really hard time justifying a brake upgrade. I just keep trying to find a really great deal on an RS brake kit. Q5/Macan brembos at $200/caliper sounds pretty good. It's all just so expensive for the cars and I really do find stock brakes to be adequate. I only long for more braking power when coming down from go to jail speeds. I would like the weight savings as well, but that's much lower priority than a number of other things on my car at this time.
    Don't forget that lighter rotors may compromise heat dissipation and potentially brake performance.

    My recommendation is just to get good pads. But, you will have to deal with dust. If not, you'll absolutely compromise performance, especially at higher temps.

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    I will mirror what has been said, stock is sufficient with good fluid and maybe SS lines. I love Akebonos but I will admit they fade a little during aggresive canyon driving or multiple highway pulls. They still function but need a decent bit more pressure when they're hot
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    Which would you get for your DD?

    Awesome insight guys, many thanks. You have certainly made me think about direction. Cosmetic and performance are both a driver for me in wanting the upgrade. Perhaps the Macan calipers are the way to go. $400 vs $1500-&2k is a little easier to justify for my goals. Then in addition Iíd just buy the 345 rotors, new pads, SS lines, fluid and a wear sensor? I have been following the Q5 Brake thread and the macan do look nice.


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    Has anyone seen these? Or any insight?

    https://us.ceika-store.com/products/...iABEgJa0fD_BwE


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    Quote Originally Posted by BozMan-S4 View Post
    Has anyone seen these? Or any insight?

    https://us.ceika-store.com/products/...iABEgJa0fD_BwE


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    Seen them before, but no personal experience. Company is out of Hong Kong and claims to source their materials from places like Taiwan, Japan, and the UK (i.e. not China) that meet modern ISO standards, but who knows?

    I'd search around to see if you can find stories of them failing before pulling the trigger. Personally, I'm VERY hesitant to buy parts from unproven brands when their failure could mean life or death.

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    I got EBC red stuff pads (didnt swap out rotors yet) when my oem pads wore out at 25k. They've been great. The slotted rotors they have are pretty nice, will probably get them when those need replacing.

    I agree with the folks saying if you are not tracking U dont need to upgrade. The performance boost if any will be hardly if at all noticeable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EstorilS4 View Post
    Seen them before, but no personal experience. Company is out of Hong Kong and claims to source their materials from places like Taiwan, Japan, and the UK (i.e. not China) that meet modern ISO standards, but who knows?

    I'd search around to see if you can find stories of them failing before pulling the trigger. Personally, I'm VERY hesitant to buy parts from unproven brands when their failure could mean life or death.
    Amen to that ďlife or deathĒ. It seems to be a pretty good deal for piston count, upgraded rotor size, custom painting on hat & caliper + logo. 365/380mm - 8 piston ďguaranteed bolt up or they send parts for freeĒ custom colors and finish for $2000-$2200 is hard not to investigate. I feel a similiar would be in the high 3/low 4 at least, not including custom paint/finish. If they are reliable itís hands down the best deal on a true BBK Iíve seen . Comes with all needed hardware and lines too. I will be googling a little more then.

    I donít think Iíd go 8 piston or full 380 as others have mentioned I donít need it for DD performance. I was thinking 4 or 6 and 365mm max. I know it will be more for cosmetic than noticeable enhancement in my situation. I love the look of a BBK but didnít want to spend 4K on them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BozMan-S4 View Post
    Amen to that ďlife or deathĒ. It seems to be a pretty good deal for piston count, upgraded rotor size, custom painting on hat & caliper + logo. 365/380mm - 8 piston ďguaranteed bolt up or they send parts for freeĒ custom colors and finish for $2000-$2200 is hard not to investigate. I feel a similiar would be in the high 3/low 4 at least, not including custom paint/finish. If they are reliable itís hands down the best deal on a true BBK Iíve seen . Comes with all needed hardware and lines too. I will be googling a little more then.

    I donít think Iíd go 8 piston or full 380 as others have mentioned I donít need it for DD performance. I was thinking 4 or 6 and 365mm max. I know it will be more for cosmetic than noticeable enhancement in my situation. I love the look of a BBK but didnít want to spend 4K on them.


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    If looking for aesthetics that also function well and will be easy to sell get the stoptech 355 or 380 kit. You can get a 355 kit for 2200 and a 380 kit for 2450 brand new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhvrdr View Post
    If looking for aesthetics that also function well and will be easy to sell get the stoptech 355 or 380 kit. You can get a 355 kit for 2200 and a 380 kit for 2450 brand new.

    Mike
    Thatís a good point. I liked how customizable the other kit is...but paint options donít rank as high as performance and reputation. Iíd like to avoid upgrading master cylinder components if possible. Seems some hate the feel of BBK on stock braking components.


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    BBKs look cool and perform great for track driving, but are completely excessive for a car committed to DD/commute duty (as others have mentioned). Plus, wheel options can be heavily affected by some BBKs with bulky/chunky calipers (i.e. Stoptech vs. Brembo). Different platform, but I had a Stoptech 355 on my B5S4 and my stock B8.5 brakes do just as well in any DD driving situation.


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