Methanol Kits? What kit are people using?

**mariokart** · 04-30-2018 04:49 PM

I have used AEM and Aquamist on other cars but wanting to added it to my RS7. What kits are people using and are what are you using to trigger the kit MAF, boost, IDC or...?

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**oo7arkman** · 05-01-2018 05:37 PM

I am also curious to this. I have used them in the past on turbo cars but have not seen much discussion on here on any of the 4.0TT cars running it.

**Edit** Last kit I used was a coolingmist system in the FD.

Also, very gorgeous car. Love the blue with bronze wheels.

**S EIGHT** · 05-01-2018 05:44 PM

I have AEM activated by boost on my 13 S8. Aquamist is great too. I just couldn't wait for it, availability wise. AEM is 2 days from many places.

**mariokart** · 05-01-2018 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by oo7arkman

I am also curious to this. I have used them in the past on turbo cars but have not seen much discussion on here on any of the 4.0TT cars running it.

**Edit** Last kit I used was a coolingmist system in the FD.

Also, very gorgeous car. Love the blue with bronze wheels.

Thank you for the compliment

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**Sol Rosenberg** · 05-01-2018 09:14 PM

The 4.0T doesn't seem to respond to methanol injection like on other platforms. The guys who have ran it seem to have lost power. The 4.0T is a very strange engine.

**mariokart** · 05-01-2018 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by Sol Rosenberg

The 4.0T doesn't seem to respond to methanol injection like on other platforms. The guys who have ran it seem to have lost power. The 4.0T is a very strange engine.

That’s seems very odd, I wonder if they had it clicked on too early or too much and it made the AFR too rich. I have never seen a FI car not respond to Methanol

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**Sol Rosenberg** · 05-01-2018 09:23 PM

Yeah well these engines are odd. Would be interesting for somebody to do a back to back dyno pull. I bet it loses decent power.

Originally Posted by mariokart

That’s seems very odd, I wonder if they had it click on too early or too much and it make the AFR to rich. I have never seen a FI car not respond to Methanol

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**Cam.CL.S7** · 05-02-2018 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Sol Rosenberg

Yeah well these engines are odd. Would be interesting for somebody to do a back to back dyno pull. I bet it loses decent power.

Sounds to me like to tune would be to blame. if you just add meth injection to a car with out tuning for it the car will be cooler but it wont yield any performance gains. however, when tuned for meth injection it will gain power due to the ability to advance timing, higher boost and lower IAT's and help with pre ignition.

**oo7arkman** · 05-02-2018 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Cam.CL.S7

Sounds to me like to tune would be to blame. if you just add meth injection to a car with out tuning for it the car will be cooler but it wont yield any performance gains. however, when tuned for meth injection it will gain power due to the ability to advance timing, higher boost and lower IAT's and help with pre ignition.

Exactly. Unless you incorporate the Meth injection into the tune you won't see any power gains and depending on the mixture of water to methanol you very well could lose power. Seems as if it is difficult on these platforms to get a custom tune (at least in my limited research so far). Also would be recommended to have a selectable tune so that if you run out of available methanol or forget to fill the tank regularly you can switch it to a gas only tune.

Reason I used it on the FD was mainly for deterring knock and cooling intake temps quickly. I live in FL and sitting in traffic even for the least bit causes a rise in under hood temps thus increasing intake temps. The 30% methanol 70% water mix I ran did a great job of dropping temps back down quickly and helping deter any negative things happening to the motor should I get my foot back into it quickly. If you know anything about the rotary engine you know it will take as much boost as you can throw at it, but if it knocks in the least bit.....its done. The higher percent water I ran there along with the octane boost of the methanol helped deter any pre-detonations. I lost around 30hp when I added the methanol injection (I did not want to tune to it and it was added as a safety net, not power booster), but the remaining 500whp on low boost in a 2600lb car was more than enough...

**cobrario** · 05-14-2018 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Sol Rosenberg

Yeah well these engines are odd. Would be interesting for somebody to do a back to back dyno pull. I bet it loses decent power.

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**JGood** · 05-14-2018 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by cobrario

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Care to explain the dyno runs? We need more info

**cobrario** · 05-14-2018 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by JGood

Care to explain the dyno runs? We need more info

2016 RS7 P APR Stage 2 (Not Mine)

Green Pump/93
Red 104
Blue Pump with W/M

**mariokart** · 05-14-2018 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by cobrario

2016 RS7 P APR Stage 2 (Not Mine)

Green Pump/93
Red 104
Blue Pump with W/M

Looks like Methanol helped, like I thought. Is the blue 50/50 meth on 91 or with 104?

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**cobrario** · 05-14-2018 02:44 PM

93 file with 94 CA fuel and 50/50 W/M

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**s4nicetry** · 05-14-2018 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by cobrario

93 file with 94 CA fuel and 50/50 W/M

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Very impressive gains on the 93 file. Does he have any plans to try it on the 100oct file?

**mariokart** · 05-14-2018 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by cobrario

93 file with 94 CA fuel and 50/50 W/M

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This is great news. I’m considering doing the Forge larger heat exchanger (68F drop) and Methanol. Would you happen to know where the two meth nozzles where mounted?
Thanks Mario

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**brad65ford** · 05-14-2018 06:23 PM

Its said to also help with carbon build up associated with direct injection like we have. Would love to find a kit / tune for our rs7's.

**lapsandwich** · 05-14-2018 08:31 PM

I half installed my AEM kit because I read a few posts on here and people said it was loosing power, but my faith has been restored. Is it safe to assume you installed your nozzles right after the air-water inter cooler ?

**Ze_Nardo6** · 05-15-2018 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by Sol Rosenberg

Yeah well these engines are odd. Would be interesting for somebody to do a back to back dyno pull. I bet it loses decent power.

What's the wager?

**cobrario** · 05-15-2018 06:59 AM

Nozzle placement's have varied- the example I gave has the nozzles in the turbo outlet (which is not ideal but there really are so few options due to space). We do however have a few systems in the works that are working on placement - will reply as results are determined.

**lapsandwich** · 05-15-2018 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by cobrario

Nozzle placement's have varied- the example I gave has the nozzles in the turbo outlet (which is not ideal but there really are so few options due to space). We do however have a few systems in the works that are working on placement - will reply as results are determined.

I’m kinda excited now.
So, like into the intercooler ? Or after ?

**cobrario** · 05-15-2018 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by lapsandwich

I’m kinda excited now.
So, like into the intercooler ? Or after ?

we've had the cooler out and there is no room there, after is what's being worked on now.

**lapsandwich** · 05-15-2018 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by cobrario

we've had the cooler out and there is no room there, after is what's being worked on now.

Sorry I should have been more specific. I was referring to that dyno sheet that you posted. Nozzle placement was in the turbo outlets. I figured you meant it was right where the rubber hose connectors attach the turbo to the throttle body for some reason. Post turbo, pre-I tercooler.

**cobrario** · 05-15-2018 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by lapsandwich

Sorry I should have been more specific. I was referring to that dyno sheet that you posted. Nozzle placement was in the turbo outlets. I figured you meant it was right where the rubber hose connectors attach the turbo to the throttle body for some reason. Post turbo, pre-I tercooler.

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that's not the exact car but it's the same installer so it's similar- below you see the boost tap for the meth controller.

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**Tuner1** · 07-11-2018 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by lapsandwich

I half installed my AEM kit because I read a few posts on here and people said it was loosing power, but my faith has been restored. Is it safe to assume you installed your nozzles right after the air-water inter cooler ?

Hi do you finished your installation? Do you have pics?

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**JC1970** · 07-25-2018 09:41 PM

These guys have done something on this topic.

My RS6 with APR downpipes and a custom tune from e-tuners in Sydney produced 422WKW. I'd say that adding the water meth gives another 30WKW on top of downpipes and tune, possibly a bit more if they really pushed the boost and timing of the tune.

https://www.etuners.gr/audi-rs7-c7-4...-zf-tcu-remap/

**tabio42** · 07-25-2018 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by JC1970

These guys have done something on this topic.

My RS6 with APR downpipes and a custom tune from e-tuners in Sydney produced 422WKW. I'd say that adding the water meth gives another 30WKW on top of downpipes and tune, possibly a bit more if they really pushed the boost and timing of the tune.

https://www.etuners.gr/audi-rs7-c7-4...-zf-tcu-remap/

Their test doesn’t isolate a gain from meth unfortunately.

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**OUTTIE_S6** · 07-25-2018 10:58 PM

I'm interested in this as well, purely for cooler temps. I'm already running the 100 tune from APR since the gas station down the street has it on the pump. These summer months in Vegas are brutal. While I wouldn't mind the additional power gains, I don't think APR has a tune for it?

**s4nicetry** · 07-26-2018 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by OUTTIE_S6

I'm interested in this as well, purely for cooler temps. I'm already running the 100 tune from APR since the gas station down the street has it on the pump. These summer months in Vegas are brutal. While I wouldn't mind the additional power gains, I don't think APR has a tune for it?

If you're just looking to cool your charge you could just do a setup using small jets and spraying just water. You probably wouldn't need to adjust your tune at all. The reduced IAT's would prevent power loss on those hot summer days.

**Tuner1** · 08-07-2018 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by S EIGHT

I have AEM activated by boost on my 13 S8. Aquamist is great too. I just couldn't wait for it, availability wise. AEM is 2 days from many places.

Hi do you have some pics of your installation? Where do you put in the nozzle? What tank do you use? Thanks for your infos

Rs6 Performance, Catless Downpipes, Straight Exhaust, Loba High Fuel Pumps, Forge Intercooler, Arma Intake ....

**IowaRS7** · 08-07-2018 02:22 PM

I have the torqbyte controller on another vehicle. Pretty nice unit but maybe over complicated for some applications.

**D-max15** · 03-28-2019 08:10 PM

Lots of good info for meth injection. Any luck installing the nozzles after the intercooler and what kind of results are you seeing? Thanks in advance!

**hulk_rs** · 03-31-2019 02:41 AM

I have aquamist kit on my rs7 performance 50/50 mix for cooling use transformed the car recommend it highly

**Tuner1** · 03-31-2019 05:50 AM

I installed also the Aquamist with my custom 25Litre Tank first tests coming soon

Rs6 Performance, Catless Downpipes, Straight Exhaust, Loba High Fuel Pumps, Forge Intercooler, Arma Intake ....

**D-max15** · 03-31-2019 03:09 PM

hult rs…where did you install your methanol nozzles?

**low-profile** · 03-31-2019 05:16 PM

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+3 for Aquamist. Gauge matches factory cluster. Owner fabricated mount, emphasis on being visible while at WOT and being removable for dealer service.

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