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    Senior Member Three Rings Cousinphil's Avatar
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    The triumph and the tragedy of the Tiptronic

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    The first snow came early last fall—in October. The salt trucks came out spreading their corrosive discharge on the highways of Maine. I took my beloved ’04 off the road and brought out my winter ride, an ’05 with fat snow tires. The two cars are almost identical, with the same custom grilles, the same extra coat of paint on the rocker panels, and the same 1.8T motor. But the ’04 has a manual six speed and the ’05 has a five speed automatic.

    So I’ve been driving this thing all winter. I grudgingly have to admit that this is a great car despite the slushbox. It has been completely reliable. It always got me there and back through the snow. And though not as fun to drive as the ’04, it won me over. I love this car. On the interstate it excels. The cruise control is superb. You can let go of the steering wheel at 75 mph and it won’t wobble or wander. On a twisty two-lane road you can put your foot into it and the shifts are smooth and smart. This is a fast car. But… in slow moving traffic, it’s terrible.

    The Tiptronic transmission is a brilliantly conceived piece of technology. This is the smartest automatic I’ve ever driven. It really is amazing how smoothly it shifts. You can be diving into a corner and throw the shifter over to the right and downshift manually, twice, and the car never loses traction. It is a triumph of automotive engineering.

    The tragedy? Lugging. This car drops into high gear and all of a sudden your rpms are down around 1500. Or 1200. This is what I call milque toast mode. This works if you feather the gas pedal and keep it feathered. If you give it the gas, it’ll downshift for you and get you up into the boost zone but as soon as you take your foot off the gas you’ll be back in milque toast mode.

    I don’t like cruising at 1500 rpm and 2000 rpm is just barely tolerable. If the 1.8T could talk, it would probably say that it’s happier spinning in the 2200 to 2500 range.

    It was a warm sunny day today in Maine. The thermometer cracked 60ºF for the first time this year. I pulled the cover off the ’04 and and she started up as if I had driven her yesterday. The ’04 is faster, quieter, handles better, and gets better gas mileage—24 mpg as opposed to 19 for the Tiptronic.

    But I have to say that they are both great cars. Using all three modes of the Tiptronic, I can keep the revs where I want them. Pulling out of my dirt road onto the main road there is an uphill flowing into a long sweeping curve. I know that the Tiptronic won’t know how to handle it so I always shift into manual and keep it in third until I round the curve. I keep my hand on the shifter most of the time. Sport Mode, Manual Mode, and Drive. They get me where I need to go.
    2004 A4 Avant 1.8T 6 Speed 120,000 miles Summer
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    Established Member Two Rings obaka's Avatar
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    nice! I have a 03 FWD with 2.0 non turbo ALT engine, it comes with an automatic 6 speed transmission, dunno if its Tiptronic or Multitronic, but it does the same thing stated above, ultra smooth shifts, and the milque toast mode always engaging and having to press the pedal or go manual. I dont have snow here in the desert though.
    "Toda la gloria del mundo cabe en una cerveza"
    2003 Avant ABT tuned

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    Senior Member Three Rings Cousinphil's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by obaka View Post
    nice! I have a 03 FWD with 2.0 non turbo ALT engine, it comes with an automatic 6 speed transmission, dunno if its Tiptronic or Multitronic, but it does the same thing stated above, ultra smooth shifts, and the milque toast mode always engaging and having to press the pedal or go manual. I dont have snow here in the desert though.
    This sounds like a very interesting Avant. I didn't know Audi made a six speed automatic back then. Did you buy it in Chile? Maybe something that was never available in the US or Canada...
    2004 A4 Avant 1.8T 6 Speed 120,000 miles Summer
    2005 A4 Avant 3.0 Tiptronic 80,000 miles Spring and Fall
    2005 A4 Avant 1.8T Tiptronic 105,000 miles Winter Tires

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    Established Member Two Rings obaka's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cousinphil View Post
    This sounds like a very interesting Avant. I didn't know Audi made a six speed automatic back then. Did you buy it in Chile? Maybe something that was never available in the US or Canada...
    Yeah, but Its from Japan market, oem left hand steering wheel. Here in Iquique is duty free zone; its ok to import older cars here at the duty free zone. Its a rare B6, Alt engine tuned by Abt back then
    Last edited by obaka; 04-29-2018 at 02:06 PM.
    "Toda la gloria del mundo cabe en una cerveza"
    2003 Avant ABT tuned

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    Veteran Member Four Rings Nollywood's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by obaka View Post
    Yeah but Its from Japan market, oem left hand steering wheel. Here in Iquique is duty free zone and its ok to import older cars here at the duty free zone. :) its a rare B6, Alt engine tuned by Abt back then
    Your transmission is a 6-Speed Multitronic (CVT).
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    Established Member Two Rings obaka's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nollywood View Post
    Your transmission is a 6-Speed Multitronic (CVT).
    thanks!
    "Toda la gloria del mundo cabe en una cerveza"
    2003 Avant ABT tuned

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    Veteran Member Four Rings Gin+'s Avatar
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    I'd be curious to attempt a 6hp19 swap in a 1.8t b6. That transmission feels far superior to the old 5hp.
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    Senior Member Two Rings
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gin+ View Post
    I'd be curious to attempt a 6hp19 swap in a 1.8t b6. That transmission feels far superior to the old 5hp.

    I’ve wondered about his too... love the TIP in my Avant but an extra gear would be nice...

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    Senior Member Three Rings Cousinphil's Avatar
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    I'm wondering if the 3.0 motor has better low-end torque than the 1.8T. It must. I wonder if it will pull from as low as 1500rpm. I've never driven an Audi with a 3.0.

    I think a six speed automatic would make me happy. Or at least happier considering it's a slush box.

    I think I'd like to test drive the new A4 which has a 2.0T motor and an eight-speed automatic.
    2004 A4 Avant 1.8T 6 Speed 120,000 miles Summer
    2005 A4 Avant 3.0 Tiptronic 80,000 miles Spring and Fall
    2005 A4 Avant 1.8T Tiptronic 105,000 miles Winter Tires

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    Established Member Two Rings yanni6556's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cousinphil View Post
    I'm wondering if the 3.0 motor has better low-end torque than the 1.8T. It must. I wonder if it will pull from as low as 1500rpm. I've never driven an Audi with a 3.0.

    I think a six speed automatic would make me happy. Or at least happier considering it's a slush box.

    I think I'd like to test drive the new A4 which has a 2.0T motor and an eight-speed automatic.
    Personally I'm not a fan of my 5hp however to answer your question slightly this is how the 3.0 torque works.


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