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    300zx2g35's Long Roof S4 Conversion

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    Cross posting from the Avant section as I figure some of you might enjoy my build as well.

    Well, after having the car together for a few weeks now and working out most of the issues, figured it was time to start a thread documenting the journey.

    A little background:

    I'll start off by saying I've always loved the wagon body style, ever since my first ride in a Volvo wagon, sitting in the rear-facing seats.

    In terms of cars, it took me a bit to get here as I love fast cars. I've had a 240z (which I still have), a couple 300zx TTs, and a G35 coupe (see a trend here) before finally getting into sedans and AWD with a Subaru Legacy Spec B. I loved it because it made a perfect year-round daily along with providing space to carry people/stuff. Mind you, I was still wanting to get into a wagon at some point. If I had kept the car, I would have done the same thing and swapped it all into a wagon body. But, I got fed up with how unreliable the Subaru motor was.

    I started looking and, in terms of AWD systems, Audi was the logical choice as they had it down whereas other manufacturers were just getting into AWD. Of course, I still had to have a fast car and in my price range was the S4. Reliability and problems came into play and, after a ton of research, I settled on a B8.5 S4. People were modding them, taking them to track days, and still dailying them with upwards of 30-40k on tuned cars with practically zero issues. Initially I wanted a manual, but with my commute, the DSG sounded better and better. I found one at a local BMW dealer, test drove it, and I was instantly in love. Still just as fun even though it wasn't a manual. Car had been owned by a middle-age Audi sales woman so it was fully optioned and very well taken care of.

    A few pics of the S4:








    Of course with all the research, I stumbled across GMGs S4 conversion, so I knew I had to do it at some point. So I kept it in the back of my mind, looking for good A4 wagons, and going back and forth between using an A4 or an Allroad.

    I enjoyed the S4, modded and issue free, for almost 3 years before finding a good condition A4 back in February of this year.



    I drove it around for almost a month before deciding to move forward with the conversion.

    Started off tearing down the Avant. Since I wanted a full B8.5 Avant with all the features working (sport diff, adaptive headlights, etc), I knew there would be differences in the body harness. I also didn't want to run into issues with incompatible modules, component protection, etc. Unlike just swapping in the motor/trans and making a B8 Avant, I had to tear the entire car down to a shell.

    I started by stripping the interior:





    After getting the interior stripped, it was time to get out the motor and rear end:









    Until finally, it was a bare shell:







    Next up was the S4:











    So after stripping both cars, I realized there were a few more differences, other than B8 to B8.5, than I had initially anticipated being that the S4 was a Prestige and the Avant was a Premium Plus.

    One difference being that, I had to swap the door handles so that I could retain Keyless:







    After getting that sorted, I put the door harnesses and door panels on:





    After doing all this, I started comparing the wiring harnesses and realized that there were a lot of differences from B8 to B8.5 in terms of connectors and modules. It was then I thought, well the Allroad is technically a B8.5 version of the wagon, so the harness should have the updated connectors and module differences. Luckily, I found a scrap yard that not only had an Allroad body harness, but it was from a 2014 as well!

    After getting it in, it was time to compare Sedan to Allroad:



    Eureka!! Body harness differences were now limited to S4 and A4 (Allroad) differences. Unfortunately I don't have any pics but I stripped out the wiring for the Sport diff and the Sound Aktor from the S4 harness, and wired them into the same places in the Allroad harness. Now let's just pray it worked once I got the car back together.

    So now it was time to really start putting it all back together. I apologize because now the pictures get a bit spotty as I was cranking getting the car back together.

    Had to swap the gas tank and evap system as the A4 had 3 lines going to the engine bay whereas the S4 only had 2 plus the evap plug was different and I had already upgraded the fuel pump in the S4:



    Power and ground for the electric steering:



    Motor and rear end going in:





    2021 Nardo Gray RS5
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    300zx2g35's Long Roof S4 Conversion

    Running the wiring:





    For anyone wondering, there are only 2 plugs which connect the motor/trans harness to the body harness:



    S4 carpet in (no differences except the metal dead pedal:



    S4 dash in (no differences except I didn't want to chance breaking the carbon piece):



    Seats in:



    Dyed the sunshade (thanks for the tip on the synthetic dye Avantagg):



    Painted any plastic interior pieces:



    And wrapped the headliner and pillars in suede:



    I also added the liftgate motors for the power liftgate. I had initially used the Kufatec kit before I tore down the Avant but the Allroad body harness already had the plugs:



    One thing I didn't like, was how dark the trunk area was, even when I had seen them with LEDs swapped in. So I tapped off one of the side trunk lights, added a couple OEM style LED lights to the rear roof panel:





    I have since swapped out the side lights for LEDs as well and it is the perfect amount of light.

    First startup after getting it all back together. Click for video:

    2018-04-01 10.28.44 by Chuck Sampson, on Flickr

    And finally, back on the road for the first drive! Took it to the carwash to get off some of the dirt that had accumulated from it sitting:





    After driving it a few days, installed the front lip, ECS fog surrounds, and the audi zubehör side skirts:






    A few issues I ran into after getting it back together: I had a couple faults for the dynamic steering and the sport differential. The dynamic steering fault was resolved with a new clockspring. I must have accidentally damaged mine when taking the car apart. The sport differential fault was because i was getting an "Implausible signal" from the brake light switch. I had initially used the A4 brake light switch. Didn't see any reason to swap it as the part numbers were the same. Swapped in the brake light switch from the S4 and voila! The fault was gone. No clue what the reasoning for it was. The final fault I have, which isn't a major enough one to throw any dash lights, is the humidity sensor for the HVAC system. From my research, it appears to be built into the rain sensor on the facelift models and a completely separate sensor on the prefacelift. I am currently waiting for the part to come in and then I will swap it.

    Other than that, my final thing is to get an alignment, get the rear bumper painted, and this portion of the project is complete.

    Still more to come though!
    2021 Nardo Gray RS5
    2015 Allroad RS5
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    1st B8.5 US Avant Conversion
    2014 B8.5 S4 Prestige Avant

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    This car is badass!

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    Absolutely awesome build thread, thank you for sharing this is a great write up and will help quite a few people for sure.

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    Good god you are an inspiration sir :) I picked up an A4 Avant with the same intention but Carmax keeps fixing it for free so I'm waiting until they stop doing so. Cant wait to hear more about how it is all working out and the actual performance.

    Mike

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    Incredible build! All that work was worth it, this avant looks amazing.
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    This is insane! I love it! Nice work!!!
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    EPIC!!!

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    You sir, are a crazy person (but the right kind of crazy).

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    awesome project man, congrats!
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    Bad ass'edness. So much. Now sell it to me. I'm flush with cash. LOL

    300zx2g35 for President.
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    Life has taught me never try to make something idiot proof, they'll simply come up with a better idiot.
    I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.
    I have neither the time, nor the crayons to explain this to you properly.

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    What a project, and great end results!
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    Sold: °2014 S4 | MGM | 6MT | ABG | ACC | ADS | AFS | ASA | B&O | MMI | Sport Diff | 034 DP 57/187 | 034 Adjustable UCAs, Toe Arms, Front + Rear Endlinks | 034 LCAs | 034 Strut & Engine Mounts | 034 Trans Mount + Insert | AWE Touring + Res DPs | Bilstein PSS10 | CR15 | G5-r | H&R Sways | Merc HX | P3 | Ringer S3+ Clutch & FW | ECS AK
    °2011 A4 | 6MT

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    + ECS Diffuser, BFI shift knob, tints, sports diff, j-codes, Akebono pads, SS clutch line, Ceramic Pro...
    GONE 2010 S4 // QUARTZ GREY // 6MT // GIAC STG2 // AWE TRACK // ROC EURO // 034 TRANS MOUNT // H&R OE's // AG M610 FF 19x8.5 // + random stuff

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    this is awesome.

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    Holy hell....

    The build, the detailed photos, the proper and easy to read grammar.....Bravo.
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    wow. great job. great read.

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    More pics when you can. Absolutely tremendous.
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    Just curious, do you plan to put an A4 sedan together with the leftovers?

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    Holy amazingness......
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    You're a hero!

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    Just fucking awesome. Well done!
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    Awesome, remove the 2.0T badge?
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    I’ll echo what has been said above. You are my hero, wow!

    I’m curious what the total cost for the swap was, and man hours you endured.
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    Holy shit, amazing. Now all the work put in, you can sell it to me!
    In all seriousness, would you do it again? Or was it a nightmare to do?
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    These are the kind of build threads I can appreciate. Great job!
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    wtf, i'm not sure whether i'm more impressed with the swap or the garage. both then.
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    Thank you for putting this together, truly a rare combination state side, something I've always wanted to do as well.

    I do have a question that hasn't been asked yet...
    What are you going to do about emissions? Surely you kept the VIN number from the avant and government records would show that it's a four cylinder. I can foresee some problems during state inspections, have you thought about this?

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    This deserves a standing ovation. Spectacular
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    Pure badassery

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    Now THIS is a ‘build’. And an avant- to boot. Well done sir.


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    Omg this is incredible! Wow I thought I wanted an avant haha - seriously talk about Making It Happen lol

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    WOW great job! You have a lot of hours into that I am sure! Very impressive.
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    11.8 @ 116mph 2487DA on 93oct file Stage 2+

    THEN THEN THEN Rinse & Repeat!

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    Do you guys in the US not have the Avant?

    Have to say bravo chap on the build, glad I'm lucky enough to be able to just buy one of these Avant S4's.

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    I saw you at the AOA meet, unless there is someone else crazy enough to do this. This car is amazing, and the finished product had me questioning reality at that moment in time.
    13' B8.5 | APR DP | Bilstein PSS10 | 034 Engine Mounts | ECS Exhaust | ECS Carbon kit | MercRacing cooler | BBS CI-R | Avanti Hybris

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    We don't get the S4 Avant here, so we're jealous
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    Omfg love your garage. LOL at your still plays with cars sign. The car is cool too!
    2010 S4 / 6MT / 034 RSWB & Motor Mounts / AMS Cooling / EC Alu Kreuz & inserts / B12 suspension / CTS SC & JHM OD Pulley (PR:3.139) / JHM STS & Stg 4 clutch / Magnaflow w/cutouts / CTS Downpipes / V710 / Eventuri-Euro / USP clutch line / E35 / Chipwerke 3-1 / Revo - 467 awhp

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    Yup, I was very interested in reading this. You are the real MVP my friend, great work.


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    Damn, just damn! Wish I had 1% of your skill and motivation. How many hours did you put into this project?

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