I need some opinions on a possible purchase.

[wom001]

Good Afternoon All!

Iv been lurking for several months and Im finally in a good position to acquire my very own B8 A4 Avant. Now iv read the buyers guide but my current predicament has not been mentioned or if it has it was never answered. The one im currently looking at is a 2010 B8 A4 Avant that previously had oil consumption issues. The current owner has had the entire long block replaced by Audi under warranty and the new motor barely has 2k miles on it. Now my question is, should there be a premium attached to a lower mileage motor? Keep in mind this car has almost 100k miles on the body. How does one put value on that new addition or should I not even consider it since its had the issue before?

Anyway I am in need of some guidance, I don't necessarily need to pull the trigger on a new car any time soon. I really have until this time next year to get this all figured out. Would it be better to wait for a new year without the potential problems or does the crazy idea above have any merit to it?

Thanks again yall and I look forward to your responses!

[BeerBrent]

Ask if they had the timing chain tensioner etc updated also. If they did, that's a big bonus.

[Spawne32]

How much are they asking? Because IMO, a B8 isnt worth much more then 6-7k and on a sharp decline, as its rated as one of the worst audi's ever produced. Had I known what I know now about them I never would have even bought the car.

[bhvrdr]

How much are they asking? Because IMO, a B8 isnt worth much more then 6-7k and on a sharp decline, as its rated as one of the worst audi's ever produced. Had I known what I know now about them I never would have even bought the car.

2nd.


I bought it because I wanted in Avant but I knew that it would be no more reliable than an alfa and I was absolutely right. In 4 months now I have had the car in my hands all of 3 weeks. The rest of the time it's been in the shop

[wom001]

Its a prestige with every option imaginable (sline, nav, suade seats, cute blonde in lederhosen to serve you beer at all hours of the day). Hes adamant about 15 / 16K and Im really not wanting to get into a 100k mileage car for that new motor or not. . Im also interested in the 3.0t Q5 but there is something about those avant body lines that keeps pulling me back.

[Pr1ce]

Its a prestige with every option imaginable (sline, nav, suade seats, cute blonde in lederhosen to serve you beer at all hours of the day). Hes adamant about 15 / 16K and Im really not wanting to get into a 100k mileage car for that new motor or not. . Im also interested in the 3.0t Q5 but there is something about those avant body lines that keeps pulling me back.

no not for that price. Dont do it. that is way too much. Hes putting an absorbent premium on being a prestige and having the oil issues resolved

[Spawne32]

Its a prestige with every option imaginable (sline, nav, suade seats, cute blonde in lederhosen to serve you beer at all hours of the day). Hes adamant about 15 / 16K and Im really not wanting to get into a 100k mileage car for that new motor or not. . Im also interested in the 3.0t Q5 but there is something about those avant body lines that keeps pulling me back.

Eh. Wouldn't pay more then 10-12k IMO. Rather see you get the 3.0T Q5, i think it would be more reliable and youd be happier.

[A4Qwattro]

Good Afternoon All!

Iv been lurking for several months and Im finally in a good position to acquire my very own B8 A4 Avant. Now iv read the buyers guide but my current predicament has not been mentioned or if it has it was never answered. The one im currently looking at is a 2010 B8 A4 Avant that previously had oil consumption issues. The current owner has had the entire long block replaced by Audi under warranty and the new motor barely has 2k miles on it. Now my question is, should there be a premium attached to a lower mileage motor? Keep in mind this car has almost 100k miles on the body. How does one put value on that new addition or should I not even consider it since its had the issue before?

Anyway I am in need of some guidance, I don't necessarily need to pull the trigger on a new car any time soon. I really have until this time next year to get this all figured out. Would it be better to wait for a new year without the potential problems or does the crazy idea above have any merit to it?

Thanks again yall and I look forward to your responses!

It's not like the previous owner payed to have the motor fixed (this was covered under warranty repairs).
So why should he get to charge a price premium for it? It should be priced as a 100K mile B8 for 10-12k being an Avant.

[bhvrdr]

The 3.0 T is bulletproof

[hardfive]

If its at 100k and only has a few thousand miles then audi might not have fixed it under the 80k warranty. In any event a fully loaded prestige avant is rare and one with a rebuilt motor by audi is worth more. I dont think 14 is out of line. He only needs 1 person to see the value and 14 or 15k isnt a ton of money for a car.

[Spawne32]

If its at 100k and only has a few thousand miles then audi might not have fixed it under the 80k warranty. In any event a fully loaded prestige avant is rare and one with a rebuilt motor by audi is worth more. I dont think 14 is out of line. He only needs 1 person to see the value and 14 or 15k isnt a ton of money for a car.

It's your money to waste, but a "rebuilt" motor by audi is not a "new" motor. They pull the motor apart, install new rings and pistons, and a new headgasket and reseal the parts that need to be sealed with RTV. It is not a clean engine, the cylinders are not honed for the rings, the head and block are not machined and decked properly and the timing chain components are reused, and that car will be one of the cars effected by the timing chain tensioner issues. Hate to see you give him 14k and the tensioner fails a mile down the road and blows the motor.

[hardfive]

Full timing can be done for 1k. Peopke paying 2k for it are getting taken for a ride and its speculation as we dont know if it was or wasen't done. Didnt say it was a new motor but taking apart the motor is 3k at any shop. Thats one of the major knocks and its been addressed. If this was just a avant i'd agree but having looked and bought a prestige sline avant im very familiar with the market. He'll get 14. More? Maybe maybe not but if its a clean car someone will buy it.

[Pr1ce]

well the pricing seems to differ from person to person but i think what might justify the 14k is pictures or an ad?

I have a prestige and sedan 2013 and thats why i said 15-16 is absurd because i didnt even pay that

[ducati]

Price is way too high even with new block.He didn't have to pay for it so he cannot say he's trying to get some of the repair cost back.If the chain tensioner and rear seal been changed I say its worth $14,000 tops.

[Project Quattro]

I agree with a 14k cap, and that's if the rest of the car is gorgeous and flawless. Do you have a listing we can look at?

As others have mentioned, go back to the seller and make sure all of the many B8 issues are documented as fixed. Some of them (timing, turbos in some cars) are four-figure repairs.


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[hardfive]

Sedan pricing isnt the same as avan thats been true for years. I've done vehilce appraisal as part of my job for years. Those that say a rebuild by audi doesent add value are wrong. Price paid never matters; what was done does. Your buying the car not the story; other end is pt cruiset owners who think their car is worth 10k. No, your car is worth 2. Yout 500 credit score is worth 8k.

[bhvrdr]

I personally don't think the 14000 is a bad price for that car in the sense that the market does bring quite a bit of money for avants. I just think that you need to be prepared that you'll probably be putting money into the engine time and time again until the day you sell that car.

[Spawne32]

It looks like you are already sold on buying it for what hes asking so I dont know what we are actually discussing?

[hardfive]

Im not the op.

[Spawne32]

Im not the op.

oh sorry lmao i dunno why i got stuck on your name being the original poster, its been a long day

[Crucible35]

The OP said he wasn't in any hurry to buy. You should wait....rather than taking on this potential train wreck. As mentioned above, you will likely put a ton of money into this car to keep it on the road. Even having had the oil consumption fixed with a new block doesn't mean this car will be problem free.... I had my '09 A4 and after all the work was done under warranty I still had a ton of issues. Avants are great....but they need to run to be great.

[wom001]

Im feeling the love Audzine thanks for all the input. Ill keep my eye out for a better one. The funny thing is, im an VW Touareg TDI recall guy back for more pain. I wanted an SQ5 but then started a project car (E30) and a project house to boot. I saw the Avant as a good bridge to have a little fun in and keep DD practical. Based on the input, unless i see a really good deal for a damn decent Avant I think ill just wait it out for a nice SQ5 or Q5 Prestige and pay a little more.

[BeerBrent]

In my opinion, if the car is exactly what you want, then its worth a little extra $$.
Knock on wood, but I've had good luck with my 2010 Avant, but I've only had it about a year and a half and it has low miles. The turbo did need to get replaced, but Audi paid for that under the extended warranty. I had to replace the coil packs, but that was a very easy DIY and not expensive. The previous owner had the oil consumption issue taken care of (warranty). But if I could do it all over, I probably would of waited and saved more $$ and got a B8.5. At time time of purchase, I wasn't aware of the somewhat common timing chain/tensioner issue. That scares me and plan on getting those replaced within the year. My wife is not gonna be happy when I tell her how much it costs .

[wom001]

I heard that was something you could DIY and yea if the US got the B8.5 id probably be all over that.

[rcprato]

In my opinion, if the car is exactly what you want, then its worth a little extra $$.
Knock on wood, but I've had good luck with my 2010 Avant, but I've only had it about a year and a half and it has low miles. The turbo did need to get replaced, but Audi paid for that under the extended warranty. I had to replace the coil packs, but that was a very easy DIY and not expensive. The previous owner had the oil consumption issue taken care of (warranty). But if I could do it all over, I probably would of waited and saved more $$ and got a B8.5. At time time of purchase, I wasn't aware of the somewhat common timing chain/tensioner issue. That scares me and plan on getting those replaced within the year. My wife is not gonna be happy when I tell her how much it costs .

I came across a white 09 Avant a few months ago and seemed like a good deal not to pass up, 105K but previous owner had new pistons/rings put in by Audi at 90K and had no problems since then. I have been driving VW's for 25+ years so know these VAG cars can be expensive to repair and hoping the Avant treats me well.

Knowing what I know now about problems with B8 platform I might have driven my 08 Passat longer until I could have fit a B8.5 into my budget.

There is something about the Avant that gets my attention, maybe because there is not a lot on the road you feel you are driving something unique ?
[IMG]Audi A4_Wheels_1 by Robert Prato, on Flickr[/IMG]

[PreciseD]

Its a prestige with every option imaginable (sline, nav, suade seats, cute blonde in lederhosen to serve you beer at all hours of the day). Hes adamant about 15 / 16K and Im really not wanting to get into a 100k mileage car for that new motor or not. . Im also interested in the 3.0t Q5 but there is something about those avant body lines that keeps pulling me back.

Forget the POS B8 and get that Q5!!! I have a 2014 and it is hands down my favorite car.. With a simple tune it will blow you away with how quick it is and the 3.0t is, as mentioned already, bulletproof..

Also for reference I just picked up a 2015 A4 with 46k miles and it is CPO for $20k out the door... No way in hell I would buy the avant for anything more than $8k with that kind of mileage...

PS don't waste the money on a Sq5, unless you just care about the minimal cosmetic upgrades...

[Novarider]

The replies in this thread are ridiculous. Avants are worth more than sedans. Just because your sedan is only worth 7k doesn't mean the Avants are.

I'm also getting tired of B8 owners on this site saying they hate B8's and don't buy them. Sell your "POS" B8, move on and let those of us that enjoy our cars talk about them.

Not sure why you would call a B8 a "POS" anyway. Yes they had oil consumption and the timing tensioner needs to be replaced. That makes it a POS?

[PreciseD]

The replies in this thread are ridiculous. Avants are worth more than sedans. Just because your sedan is only worth 7k doesn't mean the Avants are.

I'm also getting tired of B8 owners on this site saying they hate B8's and don't buy them. Sell your "POS" B8, move on and let those of us that enjoy our cars talk about them.

Not sure why you would call a B8 a "POS" anyway. Yes they had oil consumption and the timing tensioner needs to be replaced. That makes it a POS?

Hey man I love avants and I do know they bring more money to the table, but not $16k for one that has 100k+ miles... Unless it was rare like a B6 USP Avant in Artic White or Red, but I doubt it is...

And yes the B8 is a POS compared to the B8.5 (which is only marginally better or the 3.0t Q5 that he also referenced)

Smart thing to do would be to get a B8.5 Allroad and skip the dated look of the B8 avant and the issues that follow it...

[BeerBrent]

dated look of the B8 avant ...

Yeah, sure buddy.

[PreciseD]

Yeah, sure buddy.

I should have just said B8 as it's a blanket statement, but compared to the B8.5 it is...

[wom001]

Since people are curious, here is the link to the car. Btw chill out guys. Avants and Q5's are similar vehicles. Also the value of anything is based on what someone will pay for it. Im sure someone will want a monsoon grey fully loaded avant and happily pay his asking price. Its just not me or any of us apparently.

[BeerBrent]

Since people are curious, here is the link to the car. Btw chill out guys. Avants and Q5's are similar vehicles. Also the value of anything is based on what someone will pay for it. Im sure someone will want a monsoon grey fully loaded avant and happily pay his asking price. Its just not me or any of us apparently.

Similar Avant (without the fun mods) here in my area for $14,995
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/...552870272.html

[Pr1ce]

Since people are curious, here is the link to the car. Btw chill out guys. Avants and Q5's are similar vehicles. Also the value of anything is based on what someone will pay for it. Im sure someone will want a monsoon grey fully loaded avant and happily pay his asking price. Its just not me or any of us apparently.

Thats monsoon grey? looks like Monza Silver. Im in Orlando and i know prices are dictated by region but i know a member that got a 2011 a4 avant prestige "same as that" but with rotors for 13 and 77k miles. maybe locaiton is why?

You are right WOM001 but i think when you asked for opinions you got em lol. The avant is unique and gorgeous.. but 16k is pricey honestly given all the history and details.

Good luck on whatever you do get ( go Q5 or AR lol)

[bhvrdr]

For what it's worth I just paid 19 grand for my 2010 Avant because it is exactly what I wanted which is a station wagon that has in my opinion absolutely gorgeous looks and all wheel drive And the capability of putting the 3.0 T engine in it if I'm ever so inclined. That said I would never advise anybody to do what I did and buy this car haha

[BucDan]

Funny how Cargurus even says that the car is overpriced lol. Personally, I'd pass on it because of the price.

[PreciseD]

For what it's worth I just paid 19 grand for my 2010 Avant because it is exactly what I wanted which is a station wagon that has in my opinion absolutely gorgeous looks and all wheel drive And the capability of putting the 3.0 T engine in it if I'm ever so inclined. That said I would never advise anybody to do what I did and buy this car haha

Wow that's steep man... but I can relate.. paid 10k for a 2005 Arctic White USP Avant a few years ago...

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[bhvrdr]

Wow that's steep man... but I can relate.. paid 10k for a 2005 Arctic White USP Avant a few years ago...

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Those are tough to find and even tougher to find with interiors that are in good shape still. Nice find!

The funny thing about the Avant that I bought is that it came with a free carmax warranty and they have already done about 6 grand of work on the car for free

[PreciseD]

Those are tough to find and even tougher to find with interiors that are in good shape still. Nice find!

The funny thing about the Avant that I bought is that it came with a free carmax warranty and they have already done about 6 grand of work on the car for free

Yikes.. but better than out of your pocket...

Yeah very hard to find, but I found a mint one and I love the B6 style so it made a great addition to my others..

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[wom001]

For what it's worth I just paid 19 grand for my 2010 Avant because it is exactly what I wanted which is a station wagon that has in my opinion absolutely gorgeous looks and all wheel drive And the capability of putting the 3.0 T engine in it if I'm ever so inclined. That said I would never advise anybody to do what I did and buy this car haha

You snagged that one from Audi of Santa Monica didn't you?

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