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    OK well let me start by telling what happened. I was running some wires up under the driver side kick panel looking for a grounding spot, found one up high right behind the instrument cluster. I attempted to get to the ground spot but the instrument cluster connector on the left side of the cluster was in the way, I disconnected the connector and got access to the ground stud (never got it loose though) so I looked for another spot (never found a good one). It became late so I just called it quits for the night being my wife had to drive this car to work the next day.
    I started putting everything togethor when I noticed that the radio was in SAFE mode (easy fix, just put the code in) now onto the problem.
    I mistakenly turned the ignition and attempted to start the vehicle with the cluster unplugged (never started) it started for 2 seconds and died. I tried this a few times, then grabbed my wife key and tried some more and now the car just cranks over and the instrument cluster says SAFE where the miles of the car should appear. I now remembered the cluster was unplugged, after plugging the cluster back in and clearing the codes with VCDS, and clearing the vehicle from SAFE I still can't get the car to start it just cranks over.

    Additional to the Autoscan since this scan there is also 4 injector circuit open codes.

    Could the ECU have fried when the cluster was unplugged and vehicle was being cranked over, I can't here the puling of injectors when manually activated with VCDS.


    Here is a Atuoscan from VCDS

    Monday,12,March,2018,09:35:18:18807
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 18.2.0.3 (x64)
    Data version: 20180212 DS287.0
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    VIN: WAULC68EX5A122497 License Plate:
    Mileage: 253060km-157244mi Repair Order:



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    Chassis Type: 8E (8E - Audi A4/S4/RS4 B6/B7 (2001 > 2008))
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 11 15 16 17 18 25 36 37 45 46 55 56 57 65
    67 69 75 76 77

    VIN: WAULC68EX5A122497 Mileage: 253060km-157244miles
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine Labels: 06B-909-518-AMB.lbl
    Part No SW: 8E0 909 518 BC HW: 8E0 909 018 A
    Component: 1.8L R4/5VT G 0020
    Revision: 00000000 Serial number: AUZ6Z0D0339495
    Coding: 0016751
    Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
    VCID: 72E12FFD6EE656D41E-5120

    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0110 1101

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 01V-927-156.lbl
    Part No: 8E0 927 156 AA
    Component: AG5 01V 1.8l5VT USA 0505
    Coding: 0001002
    Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
    VCID: 6DDB3C8177D8892CC3-513C

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 8E0-614-517.lbl
    Part No: 8E0 614 517 A
    Component: ABS/ESP allrad 4529
    Coding: 04277
    Shop #: WSC 06435
    VCID: 264903ADC2AE7A7442-5120

    1 Fault Found:
    01826 - Sensor for Steering Angle (G85); Supply Voltage Terminal 30
    35-00 - -

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    Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 8E0-820-043.lbl
    Part No: 8E0 820 043 AD
    Component: A4 Klimaautomat 1424
    Coding: 00000
    Shop #: WSC 06335
    VCID: 63CF5AB9F11CCF5C65-513C

    4 Faults Found:
    01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
    49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    01206 - Signal for Duration of Ignition Off Time
    27-00 - Implausible Signal
    00474 - Control Module for Immobilizer
    49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    00474 - Control Module for Immobilizer
    27-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

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    Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 8E0-907-279-8E2.lbl
    Part No: 8E0 907 279 F
    Component: int. Lastmodul USA 0517
    Coding: 00003
    Shop #: WSC 06335
    VCID: 356BD4E10F0801ECFB-4B00

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags Labels: 8E0-959-655-84.lbl
    Part No: 8E0 959 655 K
    Component: Airbag 8.4EP 1001
    Coding: 0010607
    Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
    VCID: 3F87B6C96D34CBBC21-513C

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 8E0-953-549.lbl
    Part No: 8E0 953 549 N
    Component: Lenks·ulenmodul 0611
    Coding: 01041
    Shop #: WSC 06335
    VCID: 3E79CBCD3A3EC2B42A-4B00

    2 Faults Found:
    01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
    49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    00474 - Control Module for Immobilizer
    49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8E2.lbl
    Part No: 8E0 920 950 P
    Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. RB4 D42
    Coding: 01231
    Shop #: WSC 08310
    VCID: 3669D3ED120E0AF4F2-513C
    WAULC68EX5A122497 AUZ6Z0D0339495

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv. Labels:. 8E0-959-433-MAX.clb
    Part No: 8E0 959 433 BB
    Component: Komfortger·t T7B 1612
    Coding: 11788
    Shop #: WSC 06335
    VCID: 72E12FFD3EE656D41E-4B18

    Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8E1959801
    Component: Tırsteuer.FS BRM 0205

    Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8E1959802E
    Component: Tırsteuer.BF BRM 0205

    Subsystem 3 - Part No: 8E0959801A
    Component: Tırsteuer.HL BRM 0205

    Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8E0959802A
    Component: Tırsteuer.HR BRM 0205

    16 Faults Found:
    01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
    49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    00962 - Alarm via. Tilt Sensor
    35-00 - -
    01368 - Alarm triggered by Luggage Compartment Switch
    35-00 - -
    01369 - Alarm triggered by Hood Switch
    35-00 - -
    01374 - Alarm triggered by Terminal 15
    35-00 - -
    01371 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Driver's Side
    35-00 - -
    01572 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Passenger Side
    35-00 - -
    01574 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Rear Right
    35-00 - -
    01573 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Rear Left
    35-00 - -
    00955 - Key 1
    35-10 - - - Intermittent
    00956 - Key 2
    35-10 - - - Intermittent
    01702 - Footwell Lighting; Left (W9)
    28-10 - Short to Plus - Intermittent
    01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387)
    53-10 - Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
    01560 - Passenger Door
    59-10 - Can't Unlock - Intermittent
    01334 - Door Control Module; Rear Right (J389)
    53-10 - Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
    01562 - Rear right door
    59-10 - Can't Unlock - Intermittent

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio Labels: 8E0-035-1xx-56.lbl
    Part No: 8E0 035 195 H
    Component: symphony II PM6 0410
    Coding: 01001
    Shop #: WSC 01536
    VCID: 2C5DF185DC42402494-508E

    3 Faults Found:
    00878 - Connection to Speaker Front Left
    36-10 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
    00858 - Connection; Radio Intermediate Frequency (IF) Output to Antenna Amplifier
    36-10 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
    01305 - Databus for Infotainment
    49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 05:46)--------------------------

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    Sounds to me like you either popped a fuse for ecm,created a short or have a voltage supply issue.Either fuses or relays.Cluster being in SAFE mode is a indicator of either loosing power or immobilizer data.Check fuse 23 on the side of the dash.im assuming you car is a 4 cylinder.But normally telling us make model and trim of the car is helpful.

    No way the ecu shorted with cluster unplugged unless you created some sort of a short circuit.What wires were being run and for what purpose???Were any power supply wires tapped for power??
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    My apologies the vehicle is a 2005 Audi A4 1.8t B6.

    The wires I was running was a secondary 12 volt power supply, I ran both ground and power, the ground was tapped to a piece of metal under the knee bolster and the power wire I was tapping into ignition power fuse (radio). When I removed the Radio fuse is when the Radio went into SAFE mode. But like I said I have the code for that, so that wasn't a problem.

    I checked fuse #23 not blown however that fuse is 15a Door (rear left / rear right)

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    If you have an open circuit code for each injector, you likely aren't getting any fuel to run the engine. Can you clear codes, try to start the car, rescan, and post the results? I'd start by looking into the injector wiring and connectors though based on what you've posted so far.

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    For the "SAFE" condition on the cluster, I would connect to the cluster and check Measuring block 024. This will show Cluster, ECU and Transponder "Lock Times". See details here:
    http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/car...ng-blocks.html

    Specifically, my theory is this: I think you tried too many times with stuff unplugged. The ECU did not get an OK signal from IMMO 3 system and when it finally got communication back, it told on you. From the link above:

    Transponder Lock Times:
    0 to 10 minutes
    "Indicates how much time must pass before a transponder recognition is possible again. This lock is activated after an unauthorized key is detected 20 times in a row."
    "Lock times only count down while the ignition is ON. If you've managed to accumulate long lock times, you may want to connect a battery charger to the car while letting it count down"

    To reset, I believe you must leave the key ON for some period of time. You could try just 10 minutes and see what happens. Or you can just check block 024 to see exactly whats up. Maybe I'm wrong and your issue is elsewhere. I mean, I'm not even a mechanic. And I've never even owned a B6. Crap, why am I here? lol.

    Good Luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walky_talky20 View Post
    For the "SAFE" condition on the cluster, I would connect to the cluster and check Measuring block 024. This will show Cluster, ECU and Transponder "Lock Times". See details here:
    http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/car...ng-blocks.html

    Specifically, my theory is this: I think you tried too many times with stuff unplugged. The ECU did not get an OK signal from IMMO 3 system and when it finally got communication back, it told on you. From the link above:

    Transponder Lock Times:
    0 to 10 minutes
    "Indicates how much time must pass before a transponder recognition is possible again. This lock is activated after an unauthorized key is detected 20 times in a row."
    "Lock times only count down while the ignition is ON. If you've managed to accumulate long lock times, you may want to connect a battery charger to the car while letting it count down"

    To reset, I believe you must leave the key ON for some period of time. You could try just 10 minutes and see what happens. Or you can just check block 024 to see exactly whats up. Maybe I'm wrong and your issue is elsewhere. I mean, I'm not even a mechanic. And I've never even owned a B6. Crap, why am I here? lol.

    Good Luck.
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    I believe this is a timeout/lockout issue. As walky said, check the measuring block to find what your timeout value is and leave the key in for that amount of time.
    Lesson learned for next time: disconnect battery before unplugging things or working on anything electrical.
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    Thanks for all the info, I will look into tomorrow and respond with results. Thank you.


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    Scanned this morning this is what I came up with under group 024
    Lock-time instrument cluster 0.0
    Lock-time ECU 0.0
    Lock-time Emergency lockout 0.0
    Lock_time transponder 0.0


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    Quote Originally Posted by evil_built View Post
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    These are the injector codes that keep coming back.


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    Check Fuse #32.

    And is it still showing SAFE in the cluster? Or just no-start and the injector codes now?
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    I will check fuse #32 now, as far as SAFE on the cluster that’s gone just the injector codes. If I clear them attempt to start the car they immediately come back.


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    Quote Originally Posted by walky_talky20 View Post
    Check Fuse #32.

    And is it still showing SAFE in the cluster? Or just no-start and the injector codes now?
    Fuse number 32 is climate seat passenger, is that correct.


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    Don’t know how but fuse #32 was missing, installed fuse car started right up. Thank you.


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    Fuse 32 is traditionally for Engine management. In the B6, I'm showing Fuse 32 as a 20 Amp for Fuel Injectors only.

    EDIT: Glad I could help.

    Missing fuse will do it every time! I've actually fixed more than 1 VW/Audi that has rolled into the shop on a flatbed (*from another shop even*) where all it needed was the fuse put back in the correct slot. Shared platform fuse boxes with tons of blank spots from the factory can make it really difficult to notice that one is missing. Mk5+ VW's are the absolute worst for this.
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    I just wanted to take a second to point out how well the OP nailed it in this thread. His first post here, even. He did everything right and as a result, his car runs now.

    - Full description of relevant details leading up to issue in first post.
    - Full description of current status in first post.
    - Great use of punctuation, grammar, spelling, paragraphs, not overly lengthy, etc.
    - Very polite and says thank you for all helps.
    - **Full VCDS scan in the first post!**
    - Photo of recurring problem codes.
    - Quick turnaround with data from requested VCDS measuring blocks.

    Excellent job, OP. This is how you do it. So much win. I was very surprised to see that you joined yesterday because you come off like a Veteran Member. Let me officially welcome you to AZ. I would totally do one of those handshake bro-hug things if this internet thing wasn't in the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walky_talky20 View Post
    I just wanted to take a second to point out how well the OP nailed it in this thread. His first post here, even. He did everything right and as a result, his car runs now.

    - Full description of relevant details leading up to issue in first post.
    - Full description of current status in first post.
    - Great use of punctuation, grammar, spelling, paragraphs, not overly lengthy, etc.
    - Very polite and says thank you for all helps.
    - **Full VCDS scan in the first post!**
    - Photo of recurring problem codes.
    - Quick turnaround with data from requested VCDS measuring blocks.

    Excellent job, OP. This is how you do it. So much win. I was very surprised to see that you joined yesterday because you come off like a Veteran Member. Let me officially welcome you to AZ. I would totally do one of those handshake bro-hug things if this internet thing wasn't in the way.

    Thank you very much.


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    My dyslexia sucks I meant 32 not 23.Either way glad you got it resolved.
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