RS3 Resale Value?

[F80Dreamer]

Anyone have a pov on what expected resale values will be for our cars? Based on the fairly limited production I would assume pretty strong? I have been tracking the M2 resale values and they are incredibly strong...and they are pumping those out of the factory in a big way.

[DQBRS3]

I'm curious as well, here's some things I'm watching out for specific to this car:

Negative price factors
_Extension of current iteration to 2019 (short-term increase in supply)
_They put a similar 5cyl in the Golf R to make it more competitive (customer base split)
_Audi announces RS4 for USA (customer base split, similar to M2 v M3 v M4)
_Audi announces RS3 Sportback for USA (customer base split)

Positive price factors
_End production in 2018 and we have to wait for refresh (will create a solid 2-3 year window to unload the car without taking too much of a haircut)
_Refresh RS3 announced but not for US market (jackpot, If that happens I'm taking it off the road and sitting on it for a few years)
_Audi Sport starts releasing hybrids, I think longer term there will be elevated demand for classic 5cyl Audi engine (similar to current demand for manual trans)

Interested in hearing others thoughts as well

[Diversion]

If anything's most probably, i'd at least expect a MY 2019 of the RS3 (with no changes from '17/18). Based on the amount of backorders Audi has in the states on the RS3, I would assume they would keep producing them (slowly) until the orders fall flat.

Other than that, hard to say, i'd love to see us all have rare gems for a long time, but i've never been that lucky with any car i've owned except for maybe my '11 Evo X (which I sold in '12, and should have kept).

[J_3_f_f]

I think your expectations might be too high if you think RS3 will have strong resale value like M2. RS3 is getting good reviews but no where near the praise M2 received. Also mark up on M2 was more intense than RS3.

Don’t think any new platform for A3 has been announced yet so as suggested above, MY19 RS3 is pretty much expected at this point.


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[q5 dave]

_They put a similar 5cyl in the Golf R to make it more competitive (customer base split)
_Audi announces RS4 for USA (customer base split, similar to M2 v M3 v M4)
_Audi announces RS3 Sportback for USA (customer base split)

LOL x3

[Diversion]

LOL x3

Well, wasn't there supposed to be a Golf R400/420 ? Hopefully they don't do that as it would likely lower the value of the RS3.

[WAF]

I'm curious as well, here's some things I'm watching out for specific to this car:

Negative price factors
_Extension of current iteration to 2019 (short-term increase in supply)
_They put a similar 5cyl in the Golf R to make it more competitive (customer base split)
_Audi announces RS4 for USA (customer base split, similar to M2 v M3 v M4)
_Audi announces RS3 Sportback for USA (customer base split)

Positive price factors
_End production in 2018 and we have to wait for refresh (will create a solid 2-3 year window to unload the car without taking too much of a haircut)
_Refresh RS3 announced but not for US market (jackpot, If that happens I'm taking it off the road and sitting on it for a few years)
_Audi Sport starts releasing hybrids, I think longer term there will be elevated demand for classic 5cyl Audi engine (similar to current demand for manual trans)

Interested in hearing others thoughts as well

I probably would have went with the R because of the hatchback option.

[DQBRS3]

LOL x3

Sounds like you're pretty bullish..

[lalalaprise]

I probably would have went with the R because of the hatchback option.

Likewise... my perfect car is a Golf R with the 5 cylinder and a stick :)

[HBird]

I'm curious as well, here's some things I'm watching out for specific to this car:

Negative price factors
_Extension of current iteration to 2019 (short-term increase in supply)
_They put a similar 5cyl in the Golf R to make it more competitive (customer base split)
_Audi announces RS4 for USA (customer base split, similar to M2 v M3 v M4)
_Audi announces RS3 Sportback for USA (customer base split)

Positive price factors
_End production in 2018 and we have to wait for refresh (will create a solid 2-3 year window to unload the car without taking too much of a haircut)
_Refresh RS3 announced but not for US market (jackpot, If that happens I'm taking it off the road and sitting on it for a few years)
_Audi Sport starts releasing hybrids, I think longer term there will be elevated demand for classic 5cyl Audi engine (similar to current demand for manual trans)

Interested in hearing others thoughts as well

MY19 is to be expected like somebody mentioned. RS4 won't happen, as the RS5 Sportback will take its place. RS3 Sportback will not happen either, expect a RSQ3 on the next gen MQB Q3 instead. The Golf R400/420 or whatever they're calling it could be questionable, but I don't see Audi giving VW the 2.5T for production anytime soon since it's one of their hallmark engines.

This is the refreshed RS3, there won't be another until the next gen A3 is announced. Only possible plans for a hybrid Audi Sport model are the next gen RS7 which will probably use the drivetrain currently in the Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid.


Only way to look at resale is to look at pre-FL RS3s and see how their doing in countries where they were sold. Even that is speculation too.

[lalalaprise]

Im expecting some tweaks for the MY19 and maybe MY20 (if there is one) for the RS3...maybe cosmetic stuff. Like an exterior Carbon Package, maybe different wheels but I dont expect the car to change.

I am also not expecting this car to hold a very high value. I plan on keeping it for 4 years...if it retains 60% of its value I will be happy. MSRP of 66k ...worth 40k in 4 years... basically 6500 depreciation per year, or ~$550 per month

[Dubonfire]

Likewise... my perfect car is a Golf R with the 5 cylinder and a stick :)

Me too but in dsg plz. I did test drive the RS3 and i truly prefer the go kart feeling of my lowered mk7r. Maybe i need to try the ttrs

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[lalalaprise]

Me too but in dsg plz. I did test drive the RS3 and i truly prefer the go kart feeling of my lowered mk7r. Maybe i need to try the ttrs

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You could buy a barely used S3 AND a GolfR for the price of a TTRS heh

[AirOnGstring]

Me too but in dsg plz. I did test drive the RS3 and i truly prefer the go kart feeling of my lowered mk7r. Maybe i need to try the ttrs

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So Golf R feels more nimble??


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[LVSilentBob]

The Golf R 400 was canceled as part of cost cutting following Dieselgate.


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[Dubonfire]

So Golf R feels more nimble??


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Yes

I'm torn between keeping the golf R and throwing 10k on mods (big turbo + big brake) or just change for an rs3 and add few goodies for 500+ hp and good handling.

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[speeddemon69]

I was in the same boat with the Golf R and RS3 that lasted only like a few seconds when I saw the virtual cockpit on the RS3 and the power terrain. Plus girls get in the Audi quicker than a golf lol.

Females ask me what I drive I'm like a GTI, a what? is what they say lol. But you say Audi and their panties get wet. Then you get em in, do what u need to and then broom them lol. Miami lifestyle

Besides when they hear that 5 cyl fire up they gonna go even crazier lol

Also the RS3 comes with those 10k in mods already lol. All you need is a tune and this car flys. Like 3k in mods and then you need a parachute in the back to stop lol



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[veearrsix]

Yes

I'm torn between keeping the golf R and throwing 10k on mods (big turbo + big brake) or just change for an rs3 and add few goodies for 500+ hp and good handling.

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I was in the same boat, love how my Golf R feels on the road. That said, I've ALWAYS been a VR6 guy and was sad to see the motor get left behind. The RS3 is the closest thing to a VR6 in a modern car, and I love it. The growl the RS3 has is amazing. I'll take that over the Golf R's 2.0 any day. If we could only get a hatch version of the 2.5t here though...

[speeddemon69]

What we need is a Golf RS!


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[Ethernaut05]

My wife wanted NO part of the R. And.. my colleagues made fun of me whenever I brought it up. That’s NOT the reason I bought a RS3; but it guided me in that direction. And that 5 cylinder vs that 4. No brainer.


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[lalalaprise]

My wife wanted NO part of the R. And.. my colleagues made fun of me whenever I brought it up. That’s NOT the reason I bought a RS3; but it guided me in that direction. And that 5 cylinder vs that 4. No brainer.


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Why did they make fun of you? the R is a nice car and not exactly cheap.

[michael818]

I spoke to the Program Manager for the RS3 at the AoA open house last week. There is a 2019 RS3 on the way. The new requirement for back up cameras for next year means a small change in the pop up screen with the screen rising when you open the door rather than when you start the car. That will allow the backup camera to be compliant with the new 2 second rule. There was no indication that this is a limited edition car, only that demand outpaced initial supply. That is already changing.

One can only guess at resale but I would guess that it will depreciate pretty much along the lines of an S3. Keep in mind that options add little to resale so base your figures on the base value with a slight bump for the virtual cockpit.

I'm curious as well, here's some things I'm watching out for specific to this car:

Negative price factors
_Extension of current iteration to 2019 (short-term increase in supply)
_They put a similar 5cyl in the Golf R to make it more competitive (customer base split)
_Audi announces RS4 for USA (customer base split, similar to M2 v M3 v M4)
_Audi announces RS3 Sportback for USA (customer base split)

Positive price factors
_End production in 2018 and we have to wait for refresh (will create a solid 2-3 year window to unload the car without taking too much of a haircut)
_Refresh RS3 announced but not for US market (jackpot, If that happens I'm taking it off the road and sitting on it for a few years)
_Audi Sport starts releasing hybrids, I think longer term there will be elevated demand for classic 5cyl Audi engine (similar to current demand for manual trans)

Interested in hearing others thoughts as well

[USAFS4]

So there are approximately 100 cars nationwide currently listed for sale on Autotrader and Cars. There are many cars that have been sitting now for at least 60 Days. Also, if you check the sale negotiation thread many people are getting at least some discount off sticker. Now you might say that most of these cars will be sold to order, but the fact is these cars are not flying off of lots. I’m willing to bet people who wait till January to buy could get some serious discounts on cars that will have then been sitting for over 90 days. I love the car ( test drive was tremendous) but how many of us out there are willing to pay 60-70k for a small four door that doesn’t even have real leather seats, and without power to boot. People really are just buying an engine. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll likely sell my much nicer interior’d RS4 for that engine, but not for full value. By the by, the RS4 “WAGON” is confirmed for MY19. What does that now do to the calculations?

[speeddemon69]

So there are approximately 100 cars nationwide currently listed for sale on Autotrader and Cars. There are many cars that have been sitting now for at least 60 Days. Also, if you check the sale negotiation thread many people are getting at least some discount off sticker. Now you might say that most of these cars will be sold to order, but the fact is these cars are not flying off of lots. I’m willing to bet people who wait till January to buy could get some serious discounts on cars that will have then been sitting for over 90 days. I love the car ( test drive was tremendous) but how many of us out there are willing to pay 60-70k for a small four door that doesn’t even have real leather seats, and without power to boot. People really are just buying an engine. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll likely sell my much nicer interior’d RS4 for that engine, but not for full value. By the by, the RS4 “WAGON” is confirmed for MY19. What does that now do to the calculations?

Wait no real leather? The power seats im not too worried since i only adjust it once and done.


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[Potatohead_RS3]

So there are approximately 100 cars nationwide currently listed for sale on Autotrader and Cars. There are many cars that have been sitting now for at least 60 Days. Also, if you check the sale negotiation thread many people are getting at least some discount off sticker. Now you might say that most of these cars will be sold to order, but the fact is these cars are not flying off of lots. I’m willing to bet people who wait till January to buy could get some serious discounts on cars that will have then been sitting for over 90 days. I love the car ( test drive was tremendous) but how many of us out there are willing to pay 60-70k for a small four door that doesn’t even have real leather seats, and without power to boot. People really are just buying an engine. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll likely sell my much nicer interior’d RS4 for that engine, but not for full value. By the by, the RS4 “WAGON” is confirmed for MY19. What does that now do to the calculations?

Well, of course you're buying the engine. I mean really, the car is an S3 with a different engine and magnetic shocks. To me that's worth 10k. It's also an RS specific engine where the 2.0T is in just about every Audi/VW product save for large cars/SUV's, and has been for over a decade (I realize there are many versions).

Resale is one of those things that will depend on the next model, what engine it has etc, and ultimately dependent on how many of this gen are produced. People who buy these things five years from now don't care about manual seats, they care about the way the car drives. Engines (and transmissions) like this are going the way of the dodo in the not very distant future. In five to eight years when everything has ZF eight speeds or hybrid setups, DCT's will be looked at like we look at manuals today. We don't even know at this point if North America will get another RS3 either. The car is also a little pricey in the US which is probably why they are sitting. Dealers also still trying to sell for a markup isn't helping. In Canada this car is actually a real bargain, if you give an M2 a DCT and a sunroof to match it's about 6k more, and you still have a far inferior interior.

I don't believe the RS4 will change much with RS3 pricing as it is a much more expensive car.

Also, the Super Sport seats really aren't real leather? Fooled me.

[jsimon7777]

I'm getting the feeling that RS3 resale values will be pretty bad. The best way to deal will be to get an absolute base model. The car is a great value at 55k. Beyond that, not so much.

[big residual]

Our 3 yo SQ5 was $67K and is worth, like $36K. I don’t see an RS3 holding 60% of its value after 4 years

[shivaswrath]

It's Napa leather have you sat in one?

[USAFS4]

It's Napa leather have you sat in one?

. Yes. They maybe ‘real’ Napa. But they feel more plastic than my RS4 seats. Not sure why. They just don’t feel like the money.

[lalalaprise]

Wait no real leather? The power seats im not too worried since i only adjust it once and done.


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Exactly ... set it once and that's it... and these seats are most definitely not leatherette lol

[lalalaprise]

. Yes. They maybe ‘real’ Napa. But they feel more plastic than my RS4 seats. Not sure why. They just don’t feel like the money.

Hmm feel pretty nice to me. Feel nicer than the M2 leather and M3/M4

[Potatohead_RS3]

Hmm feel pretty nice to me. Feel nicer than the M2 leather and M3/M4

It's way nicer than the M2 leather, no contest.

Resale is one of those things it would be nice to stay high but I don't worry too much about it. Before I drove either car I was leaning toward an M2 partially because I thought resale would be great, but now BMW is revamping the car with a new engine for 2019 and likely the original run cars will really suffer in value... So who knows.

[Grexx]

The fact that the M2 is around 8g more without tax here in Canada should have a higher resale value at the end but i agree, with the new model coming out in 2019 it should hurt it slightly.

[lalalaprise]

It's way nicer than the M2 leather, no contest.

Resale is one of those things it would be nice to stay high but I don't worry too much about it. Before I drove either car I was leaning toward an M2 partially because I thought resale would be great, but now BMW is revamping the car with a new engine for 2019 and likely the original run cars will really suffer in value... So who knows.

Agreed. If I wanted bulletproof resale I would have got a 991.2 GT3 ... :)

[Potatohead_RS3]

Agreed. If I wanted bulletproof resale I would have got a 991.2 GT3 ... :)

911R and 991.1 GT3 owners sure got rammed when it was announced that car would be available with a manual.

[lalalaprise]

911R and 991.1 GT3 owners sure got rammed when it was announced that car would be available with a manual.

911R people were asking for it... paying a million for that car was and is ludicrous

Even 991.2 GT3s will depreciate...i guess my point is these are cars, 99.9% of them are going to be worth 30% less in 3-4 years.

I figure, over 4 years of ownership, this RS3 will cost me roughly 500 per month to drive, in terms of lost value. That's 24k over 4 years, original value of 65k .. or 36.9% loss over 4 years.

The fun is worth it :) :)

[PLSTKBMPR]

Man, who cares about resale value. The minute the keys were handed over you lost money. You have an RS3, which is a monster of a car. Enjoy it everyday, drive it to the freakin ground, or keep it until you get bored of it. That engine is amazing. If you’re worried about losing money on a car, don’t buy one, any car will lose its value unless you’re in the super car / exotic range, and even then most of those lose value too! :)


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[jsimon7777]

I think resale matters. It's part of the total cost equation. Some cars depreciate like crazy. Other cars hold their values incredibly well. You can sometimes get a much nicer car and end up spending less money.

[Potatohead_RS3]

I think resale matters. It's part of the total cost equation. Some cars depreciate like crazy. Other cars hold their values incredibly well. You can sometimes get a much nicer car and end up spending less money.

Certainly true. While I think it's a consideration for most, nobody can predict the future. There are just way too many variables to affect value and one year to the next it can vary a lot so timing of sale really matters too. I mean VW TDI's for example went from great resale to terrible in about two days.

For me, I kind of look at cars as a sunk cost. I typically finance so I know I'm commited to spending X amount over the next four to five years. If the car is worth 30k after that time or 25k doesn't really matter that much. If the difference of $1000 a year is going to kill someone, they're probably buying a car in the wrong price bracket. Stuff like that is the cost of being an enthusiast and desiring cars like these.

[keninblaine]

Certainly true. While I think it's a consideration for most, nobody can predict the future. There are just way too many variables to affect value and one year to the next it can vary a lot so timing of sale really matters too. I mean VW TDI's for example went from great resale to terrible in about two days.

For me, I kind of look at cars as a sunk cost. I typically finance so I know I'm commited to spending X amount over the next four to five years. If the car is worth 30k after that time or 25k doesn't really matter that much. If the difference of $1000 a year is going to kill someone, they're probably buying a car in the wrong price bracket. Stuff like that is the cost of being an enthusiast and desiring cars like these.

I fully concur.