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    Did APR take over production on this or what's going on here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAsset View Post
    Did APR take over production on this or what's going on here?

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    Sorry I think I only updated the FB group and some other post on here...



    These cores don't work very well at high boost. I don't think there is enough interaction between the hot intake air and the cool ICs to properly pull the heat out. In other words, I think we need something with a denser fin design.

    These cores do run a few degrees cooling just cruising around and at partial throttle(like 15 PSI) they work pretty well. At WOT they pretty much are not there though.

    I'm not comfortable beating on my car enough to grab logs to have a good comparison.
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    New cores will be sent out to me in a few weeks to test. I was going to test the ones currently in their shop's race car but it has been in the body shop longer than expected.



    I believe they are the style above but I know Tyrol was looking into sourcing even denser cores.
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    hats off to you for taking all this time testing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whiped View Post
    Sorry I think I only updated the FB group and some other post on here...



    These cores don't work very well at high boost. I don't think there is enough interaction between the hot intake air and the cool ICs to properly pull the heat out. In other words, I think we need something with a denser fin design.

    These cores do run a few degrees cooling just cruising around and at partial throttle(like 15 PSI) they work pretty well. At WOT they pretty much are not there though.

    I'm not comfortable beating on my car enough to grab logs to have a good comparison.
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    New cores will be sent out to me in a few weeks to test. I was going to test the ones currently in their shop's race car but it has been in the body shop longer than expected.



    I believe they are the style above but I know Tyrol was looking into sourcing even denser cores.

    This one looks a lot better 5 row vs 3 and probably bigger water pass too va stock one ! Is this same style single pass ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UkuRiSh View Post
    This one looks a lot better 5 row vs 3 and probably bigger water pass too va stock one ! Is this same style single pass ?
    Yes, I think we will try a few different styles.

    Do you want my 3 pass ones for testing Oleg? I can ask if I can send them your way
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    Quote Originally Posted by whiped View Post
    Yes, I think we will try a few different styles.

    Do you want my 3 pass ones for testing Oleg? I can ask if I can send them your way
    No really ) I done with this setup and focusing on Twincharger but if they have 2nd generation SC IC on the way I can take thouse for testing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whiped View Post
    Sorry I think I only updated the FB group and some other post on here...



    These cores don't work very well at high boost. I don't think there is enough interaction between the hot intake air and the cool ICs to properly pull the heat out. In other words, I think we need something with a denser fin design.

    These cores do run a few degrees cooling just cruising around and at partial throttle(like 15 PSI) they work pretty well. At WOT they pretty much are not there though.

    I'm not comfortable beating on my car enough to grab logs to have a good comparison.
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    New cores will be sent out to me in a few weeks to test. I was going to test the ones currently in their shop's race car but it has been in the body shop longer than expected.



    I believe they are the style above but I know Tyrol was looking into sourcing even denser cores.
    1) engine bay looks great
    2) thanks for sharing the research, it's really interesting to follow. I'm sure if anyone gets a working, fairly priced improvement for the ICs, it will sell. Is anyone working with the cts-v crew to share costs and get more data faster?
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    Looking forward to these, but I imagine they won't be ready until proper testing is done, which is what we all would want.

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    already October and this is not good time to test this thinks anyway!
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    Quote Originally Posted by UkuRiSh View Post
    already October and this is not good time to test this thinks anyway!
    I'll reach out and see if he has the updated cores yet.

    The wet and the cold will make this more difficult to test but not impossible. I generally don't like running logs in the rain due to safety but it wouldn't be the first time.

    In ~50f ambient my IATs hit almost 50c by the top of 4th gear so there is some room for improvement but not nearly as noticeable as it would be during the summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whiped View Post
    If you followed my FB post you got a lot of this yesterday. Just formalizing it a bit here.


    From L->R: Tyrol Pass, Tyrol Drivers, OE 10 pass, OE 9 pass


    OE 9 pass


    OE 10 pass


    Tyrol Drivers


    Tyrol Passenger

    Looking at them on the table I was a little concerned the new prototype cores would be too restrictive. Once I put them in though they look great and I don't think they will impede the airflow too much.




    The fit on these side to side is much tighter than the OEM cores. In hindsight, I should have measured this but it was very noticeable when installing them.


    These are a very tight fit externally too. I had to relocate my meth tap and will likely have some fun figuring out how to run all the coolant lines.


    That's all for now, I'll look at it more when I get home from work tonight.


    Until then, I'll pretend to be a B5. Albeit, I think it looks much better without a bumper than B5s do :)
    Hey, what did you coat the blower with? I assume it's a thermal displacement coating of some sort? Did you find that it helped at all? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GID View Post
    Hey, what did you coat the blower with? I assume it's a thermal displacement coating of some sort? Did you find that it helped at all? Thanks.

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    I'm not sure exactly what the coating is. You can ask Evan @ Tampa if you want to know specifics.

    I know it's designed to pull heat out not keep it trapped in. I don't know how effective it is but it looks cool :)
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    Would doing what Oleg suggested (using oem cores, welding -12 an fittings & running larger coolant lines) work with stock pump, or would we need to upgrade the pump to run that much more coolant? Also, i think with an open catch can the intercooler cores should run better as mercracing said the cores get dirty with oil from the engine

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    Why would having more coolant require a bigger pump?

    The flow rate through the pump is the same, it would just take longer to circulate the entire volume of the system.

    It would just mean that the coolant takes longer to heat up and longer to cool down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamantium View Post
    Why would having more coolant require a bigger pump?

    The flow rate through the pump is the same, it would just take longer to circulate the entire volume of the system.

    It would just mean that the coolant takes longer to heat up and longer to cool down.
    Exactly....this is why most or all of the CPSs that add coolant capacity with an additional reservoir and larger HX include an additional pump....the faster the coolant circulates through the loop without placing additional strain on the pump the better

    This is also why the pump mod that makes the OEM pump run at full duty all the time is so commonly used


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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteRock View Post
    Exactly....this is why most or all of the CPSs that add coolant capacity with an additional reservoir and larger HX include an additional pump....the faster the coolant circulates through the loop without placing additional strain on the pump the better

    This is also why the pump mod that makes the OEM pump run at full duty all the time is so commonly used


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    So -12 AN fittings, one pump to flow the coolant for both coolant setups for the engine & blower, 100% duty cycle mod; is that good or should it need a separate pump for the blower

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    Can someone point me to the 100% duty cycle mod?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamantium View Post
    Can someone point me to the 100% duty cycle mod?
    https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...100-duty-cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by friskuh View Post
    So -12 AN fittings, one pump to flow the coolant for both coolant setups for the engine & blower, 100% duty cycle mod; is that good or should it need a separate pump for the blower
    The blower already has a separate pump
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    Any progress on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackb8.5 View Post
    Any progress on this?
    Last I heard they hit a snag on the development

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    Quote Originally Posted by scmtkings4 View Post
    Last I heard they hit a snag on the development

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    Sad to hear it, thanks for the update regardless

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    I donít think that these were ever going to be game changers anyway

    Maybe worth a few degrees at best for those with other cooling mods already

    Would be nice to have a more durable option to the OEM ICs but if they were going to be 3x the price I think I would rather take my chances with the OEM ICs and use the $$$ for something else


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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteRock View Post
    I donít think that these were ever going to be game changers anyway

    Maybe worth a few degrees at best for those with other cooling mods already

    Would be nice to have a more durable option to the OEM ICs but if they were going to be 3x the price I think I would rather take my chances with the OEM ICs and use the $$$ for something else


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    I looked at it more along the lines of after buying everything available OTS performance wise for the car, it's one more step of bullet proofing the car.

    It would be a plus if they dropped the IAT's down more but if the results where same as stock, I wouldnt complain much knowing at least they wont fail.

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    I just sent him another message. I haven't had much contact with him the last couple months.

    I know his track car he was using to test the ICs got some body damage and was in the shop. Then he was in some kind of accident and recovering from that.

    Hopefully, all is well now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackb8.5 View Post
    I looked at it more along the lines of after buying everything available OTS performance wise for the car, it's one more step of bullet proofing the car.

    It would be a plus if they dropped the IAT's down more but if the results where same as stock, I wouldnt complain much knowing at least they wont fail.

    Mike
    Donít get me wrong I would buy them if they come to market and are somewhat reasonably priced ($1,000?) even if they only dropped IATs by a few degrees....I already have the killer chiller, AMS Alpha CPS and spray W/M for cooling so I canít imagine that I would get much more from them....I would do it for the durability factor more than anything


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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteRock View Post
    Donít get me wrong I would buy them if they come to market and are somewhat reasonably priced ($1,000?) even if they only dropped IATs by a few degrees....I already have the killer chiller, AMS Alpha CPS and spray W/M for cooling so I canít imagine that I would get much more from them....I would do it for the durability factor more than anything


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    You can't tell for sure about their reliability compared to OEM until plenty of hard tuned cars run them for the same milage as they run with OEM. Isn't it better to buy a genuine kit for half price (if they really will cost $1000, but I'm afraid they will be more) only when really needed instead of paying twice (or more) for not yet proven quality? You are not going to own the car till the end of your life, are you? Stock coolers don't die so often and you can't be so unfortunate for this purchase to pay off. IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [waZZup] View Post
    You can't tell for sure about their reliability compared to OEM until plenty of hard tuned cars run them for the same milage as they run with OEM. Isn't it better to buy a genuine kit for half price (if they really will cost $1000, but I'm afraid they will be more) only when really needed instead of paying twice (or more) for not yet proven quality? You are not going to own the car till the end of your life, are you? Stock coolers don't die so often and you can't be so unfortunate for this purchase to pay off. IMHO.
    I honestly donít think that these will make it to market and I havenít had an IC fail yet so I thatís why I initially said that I wouldnít be in a rush to buy them.....Iím not confident that the juice is worth the squeeze here and would wait and see if these were actually released at a reasonable price

    If they are priced right and prove to reduce IATs and can withstand abuse I would consider them but would definitely rather spend the money somewhere else

    And ICs have been failing pretty regularly around here lately


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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteRock View Post
    I honestly donít think that these will make it to market
    Me too)

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    What ended up happening ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodizzle View Post
    What ended up happening ?


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    I'll ping Greg, he's popped back up in the FB group so might be interested in continuing.
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    Last I heard direct from Tyrol, they had run into a snag in one of their tests and they are unsure if it could be fixed.
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