The definitive stereo and subwoofer upgrade thread

[doug97gxe]

We are not the same doug btw


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[Drunktank]

Lol, thanks guys. I'll check out the recommendations.

[Silverbullet S4]

Came here to recommend Focal speakers. Went with a full component set of their "Flax" line and couldn't be happier. Adding the JBL MS-8 sure didn't hurt either though. Using that almost feels like cheating...

[Drunktank]

Great set, I agree and use them too. I have the Focal PS 165 F3's in the front. The best part was the mid was an absolutely perfect fit. It squeezed in so well, I didn't even need any mounting hardware/screws.

[Oloung1]

- Image Dynamics .. my fav subwoofer .. blows away all competition .. even 1 10" sounded better than 2 12w6's a friend had

as a previous owner of 2 12v6's this is relevant to my interests which amp ran cleanest with the ID10?

[doug97gxe]

as a previous owner of 2 12v6's this is relevant to my interests which amp ran cleanest with the ID10?

Rainbow IPaul DM2000


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[audis4culver]

HOLY HELL... My IDMAX 10" Sub just arrived.. the damn thing weighs a TON !! My stage 2 tune might feel like going back to stage 1 !! Do you all know how much this thing weighs compared to the stock B&O sub? I might just be freaking and they weigh the same but damn I couldnt believe how much a sub weighs they days. I remember the days when a speaker weighed less than a small stack of paper. Will do the install this weekend....

[doug97gxe]

HOLY HELL... My IDMAX 10" Sub just arrived.. the damn thing weighs a TON !! My stage 2 tune might feel like going back to stage 1 !! Do you all know how much this thing weighs compared to the stock B&O sub? I might just be freaking and they weigh the same but damn I couldnt believe how much a sub weighs they days. I remember the days when a speaker weighed less than a small stack of paper. Will do the install this weekend....

lol yes yes she is.. but she performs like a beauty.. think of it more of getting 50/50 weight ratio.. did you get a box already? because she won't fit in the rear deck

vs stock BO Subwoofer

[audis4culver]

holy shit !! I had no idea !!! After all the reading up on it.. I thought she would fit right into the existing holes since they supposedly were both 10" diameter speakers. I am an idiot. A "box" ... i assume the speaker would mount in the box and the box to the car? What if I cut out a larger hole and just drill in new screws? This is starting to look alot more complicated. I took my entire front end off and installed a cold front system myself.. pretty easy.. but this is starting to look a little more complex.

lol yes yes she is.. but she performs like a beauty.. think of it more of getting 50/50 weight ratio.. did you get a box already? because she won't fit in the rear deck

vs stock BO Subwoofer

[doug97gxe]

holy shit !! I had no idea !!! After all the reading up on it.. I thought she would fit right into the existing holes since they supposedly were both 10" diameter speakers. I am an idiot. A "box" ... i assume the speaker would mount in the box and the box to the car? What if I cut out a larger hole and just drill in new screws? This is starting to look alot more complicated. I took my entire front end off and installed a cold front system myself.. pretty easy.. but this is starting to look a little more complex.

I took my whole deck apart the magnet wouldn't clear the back glass.. this is an S5 thought not sure if the S4 will clear






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[audis4culver]

damn.. I'm already thinking I might have to completely re-do the rear deck.. I would want to mount this bitch in the center ... not sure I could mentally handle the listing this thing might create. tire- rebalancing... steering wheel compensation...new springs on one side...
I will take it apart and see what I get into but thinking I could mount it from the bottom and install spacers and then seal it off.

I took my whole deck apart the magnet wouldn't clear the back glass.. this is an S5 thought not sure if the S4 will clear






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[miztahsparklez]

damn.. I'm already thinking I might have to completely re-do the rear deck.. I would want to mount this bitch in the center ... not sure I could mentally handle the listing this thing might create. tire- rebalancing... steering wheel compensation...new springs on one side...
I will take it apart and see what I get into but thinking I could mount it from the bottom and install spacers and then seal it off.

That's what I did. I have two 10s


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[jnicho1]

It's somewhat embarrassing that Audi would put that pathetic sub in with the upgraded B&O system. I was shocked when I took it out. No wonder there's no bass!

[Drunktank]

That's a pretty pathetic comparison picture. By the way, does ID make any kind of grilles for their drivers? I would need one that integrates with the speaker, either going into it like a JL, or using the same bolt holes like most others. The problem is the box is fiberglass, and the only wood for mounting is the ring directly below the speaker mounting holes. Thanks.

[doug97gxe]

That's a pretty pathetic comparison picture. By the way, does ID make any kind of grills for their drivers? I would need one that integrates with the speaker, either going into it like a JL, or using the same bolt holes like most others. The problem is the box is fiberglass, and the only wood for mounting is the ring directly below the speaker mounting holes. Thanks.

this is the grill i used in my 350z https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

actually bought them for my S5 but yet to install them.. shit come to think of it i dont know where my wife moved it.. i just recently found a plate holder i bought ... soon as i leave something on kitchen island for a day it disappears in the house

[Drunktank]

Yeah, that won't work unfortunately. I need it to integrated with the speaker. I'll probably just end up using the Audison. Thanks.

[doug97gxe]

Yeah, that won't work unfortunately. I need it to integrated with the speaker. I'll probably just end up using the Audison. Thanks.

Ok I get what you're saying now.. my morels came with those they sit in top of the sub




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[mcintoshi]

The AudioControl Epicenter 600 is a perfect amp for those wanting to just add a sub. It has a built in LC2i, plenty of power, and their Epicenter Bass Restoration system. Just be sure to use a full range signal (like the rear speakers wires rather than the factory sub wires) so that the Epicenter functionality will work. Also no need for a remote turn on wire, their GTO feature turns on the amp when it gets a signal from the speaker level inputs.

I have the NON B&O system and the Rear Speakers are: LEFT = (+) Red/Violet (-) Brown/ Violet RIGHT = (+) White/Green (-) Blue/Green

[audis4culver]

So.. wired up my idmax10" sub.. i didnt have an in between so i tried both a 12g and 18gauge wire.. i bridged pos to neg so i get 8 ohm. All i get is a super faint sound .. even on fader rear and full volume. Anyone successfully powered this speaker with the stock b&o amp? I get nothing.


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[doug97gxe]

So.. wired up my idmax10" sub.. i didnt have an in between so i tried both a 12g and 18gauge wire.. i bridged pos to neg so i get 8 ohm. All i get is a super faint sound .. even on fader rear and full volume. Anyone successfully powered this speaker with the stock b&o amp? I get nothing.


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I'm surprised your getting sound at all.. maybe I didn't explain enough and that's my fault the BO amp puts out 80 watts the ID Max takes 1000 watts


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[audis4culver]

Like i said.. no clue when it comes to audio.. whats the best amp add on or substitute? I'll start doing my research.


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[willms81]

This is the setup I had in my e90. The two 10w3v3 subs aren't pictured. Looking at swapping it to the S4.

For those of you that have aftermarket subs, did you leave the factory in the rear deck or remove it completely?




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[Drunktank]

I left mine in out of laziness, but some people have removed their's and said it's a bit louder. Maybe fold down the smaller section of the back seat a little bit and see what you think of the sound?

[Game]

I took mine out...but I did the Pioneer sub upgrade. Either way I would've taken it out.

[willms81]

I also lined my trunk with Fatmat due to a fuel door that rattled incessantly.

Are there any common places on the S4 that are prone rattling?

[miztahsparklez]

I also lined my trunk with Fatmat due to a fuel door that rattled incessantly.

Are there any common places on the S4 that are prone rattling?

The stupid air vent flaps that vent the air from the car to the bumper.... Impossible to stop buzzing


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[PeteRock]

If you add the 8 inch passenger side pocket sub from the B8 Subwoofer Shop can you power this from the existing B&O setup without having to upgrade the amplifier?


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[doug97gxe]

Like i said.. no clue when it comes to audio.. whats the best amp add on or substitute? I'll start doing my research.


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My pick http://www.woofersetc.com/c-3-amplif...amplifier.html

I apologize for the misinformation I would hate for someone to buy a product under my recommendation and was not satisfied

For amp shopping look for THD or distortion the lower the number the better .. also for doing research check http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/

You can search IDMax and see what amp people like to use with it

Don't forget you will also need the lc2i from Audio control to convert the factory signal to the amp


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[audis4culver]

No problem.. i've taken engines apart and put them back together but when it comes to audio .. i've never messed around. Thanks for getting me started!! I appreciate it. On order are the above amp and converter. I assume i just add a lead from the the amp to the battery.


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[doug97gxe]

No problem.. i've taken engines apart and put them back together but when it comes to audio .. i've never messed around. Thanks for getting me started!! I appreciate it. On order are the above amp and converter. I assume i just add a lead from the the amp to the battery.


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Oh sorry you will need an amp kit or you can buy the parts individually .. also distribution blocks .. let me see if I can find my break down post I had with it .. if not I will find the info again


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[14S4GWM]

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-kkVp1M...ion_guide.html

[doug97gxe]

No problem.. i've taken engines apart and put them back together but when it comes to audio .. i've never messed around. Thanks for getting me started!! I appreciate it. On order are the above amp and converter. I assume i just add a lead from the the amp to the battery.


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Bang & Olufsen Subwoofer Upgrade B&O

Get Amp
Get LOC (lc2i I recommend I've tried 3)
Get Sub
Get 4 gauge Amp Kit

I've done 10+ personal stereo install.. this was by far the easiest the whole job was quicker than it took me to run new door wires in my 350z

On to install

- Find suitable ground and connect ground wire from Amp kit(tape off open end)

- Connect power wire to battery.. tape off open end

- Connect remote wire to front fuse box red rows and run wire to trunk or use relay in trunk .. if you have a B8 a red row of fuses will be in the trunk.. no so much for the B8.5

- Remove rear deck .. dynamat the rear deck then disconnect stock sub.. fish the sub connection to the trunk.. physically look in the trunk that you see it.. rear assemble rear deck

- Connect power ground and remote to Amp and LOC .. check they are not turning on.. turn the car on see if they are turning on .. if it's on when the car is off your remote wire is using a non switched source .. if they don't come on at all then ur remote source or ground is incorrect .. a volt meter helps always have one handy

- If everything powers on as expected then turn the car off .. tap in the sub wire you dropped and connect it to the LOC then connect the rca from the LOC to the sub and you should be done


This is a top of head write up if you have more questions on certain things let me know I find you screen shots and explain in depth

Plan your whole install on paper so I know how many connections and fuse blocks etc u need .. amazon is great one stop shop for everything .. http://www.darvex.com/store/pc/Power-Wire-c44.htm also has good parts and also http://www.parts-express.com/cat/electronic-parts/10

Since you're splitting power ground and remote with the Amp and LOC distribution blocks are a nice clean way to do your install and you can mount them all to the box

Fuses.. if your fuse with your amp kit is smaller than your amp needs buy spare fuses as well .. Amp kits are a great start but you might need additional things

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[audis4culver]

Bang & Olufsen Subwoofer Upgrade B&O



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Nice.. this helps alot.. so if i understand correctly.. the line converter connects to my stock (b&o) sub wires (the ones that were connected to my stock sub) and then i take rca cables from the converter to my new sub?


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[doug97gxe]

Nice.. this helps alot.. so if i understand correctly.. the line converter connects to my stock (b&o) sub wires (the ones that were connected to my stock sub) and then i take rca cables from the converter to my new sub?


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Yup .. stock sub wires > loc .. loc RCA > to amp RCA > amp speaker wires to sub

The power from the battery will split to the amp and loc and the ground will split to the Loc and amp.. also the remote turn on will split to the loc and amp as well


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[audis4culver]

Got it.. i'm ready.... thanks a ton!!!!!!


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[Doggiefresh241]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AIoB7cZDfc

just came across this

https://www.etsy.com/shop/customsubwoofershop

[doug97gxe]

Got it.. i'm ready.... thanks a ton!!!!!!


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Good luck and sorry again for the misunderstanding


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[audis4culver]

Umm…ok… still dazed… shocked..
every time I fire up an engine I have rebuilt (only 2) and the sound is the most beautiful thing ever….
I installed my amp..and my idmax10 finally came on.... ahh…and i'm speechless.. Or maybe I should say.. deaf.. I almost blew up my ear drums. I had no clue this bitch was so over the top loud !!!!!!!!!!!!! I have tried to keep this install secret from the boss wife.. she came running into the garage and said “what the hell was that sound? A bomb? “ I said.. ahh.. nothing to worry about here.. keep doing the dishes.. don’t worry… nothing to worry about…
I spent the next 3 hours trying to figure out how to bring it down to a level that still made the entire system sound balanced. I think an IDMAX 10”, although it looks and sounds awesome, is waaaaay too much speaker for me. I almost thought about selling it and getting something smaller.. but its in and staying for now unless my stage 2 tune starts to feel stage 1 with the weight of this thing. I might grow into loving it .. but am still trying to even comprehend it. I guess I don’t listen to all too much bass and maybe I didn’t even know how much bass was there but is this what other people have when they put in these high end systems? Did someone say they have 2 10” subs?? What kind of music are people playing? I love all sorts of music and my ears are damn good… I’m still trying to understand it all.
So.. my question now becomes how to best balance or make the thing play nice with my B&O speakers in the front. I have the fader set to 75% front, and the bass to maybe.. 5-10%.... its still a little overpowering. I installed a kill switch under my front seat so when I pickup by 6 and 3 year from kindergarten I don’t blow their ears off.
Any ideas on how to bring this back into reality mode? Or is this just how its going to be due to the size (1000w)of the sub? Doug97gxe…. Thanks for getting me into the audio world.. I now am excited to experiment with other speakers. I appreciate all your help – I never realized what the possibilities out there are and this has opened my eyes..ears.. completely. I will give it some time.. but if this thing is still too much for me, I assume going with something smaller – 500W or 300W is logical? It’s the watts not the size of the sub that make it so loud?

[doug97gxe]

Umm…ok… still dazed… shocked..
every time I fire up an engine I have rebuilt (only 2) and the sound is the most beautiful thing ever….
I installed my amp..and my idmax10 finally came on.... ahh…and i'm speechless.. Or maybe I should say.. deaf.. I almost blew up my ear drums. I had no clue this bitch was so over the top loud !!!!!!!!!!!!! I have tried to keep this install secret from the boss wife.. she came running into the garage and said “what the hell was that sound? A bomb? “ I said.. ahh.. nothing to worry about here.. keep doing the dishes.. don’t worry… nothing to worry about…
I spent the next 3 hours trying to figure out how to bring it down to a level that still made the entire system sound balanced. I think an IDMAX 10”, although it looks and sounds awesome, is waaaaay too much speaker for me. I almost thought about selling it and getting something smaller.. but its in and staying for now unless my stage 2 tune starts to feel stage 1 with the weight of this thing. I might grow into loving it .. but am still trying to even comprehend it. I guess I don’t listen to all too much bass and maybe I didn’t even know how much bass was there but is this what other people have when they put in these high end systems? Did someone say they have 2 10” subs?? What kind of music are people playing? I love all sorts of music and my ears are damn good… I’m still trying to understand it all.
So.. my question now becomes how to best balance or make the thing play nice with my B&O speakers in the front. I have the fader set to 75% front, and the bass to maybe.. 5-10%.... its still a little overpowering. I installed a kill switch under my front seat so when I pickup by 6 and 3 year from kindergarten I don’t blow their ears off.
Any ideas on how to bring this back into reality mode? Or is this just how its going to be due to the size (1000w)of the sub? Doug97gxe…. Thanks for getting me into the audio world.. I now am excited to experiment with other speakers. I appreciate all your help – I never realized what the possibilities out there are and this has opened my eyes..ears.. completely. I will give it some time.. but if this thing is still too much for me, I assume going with something smaller – 500W or 300W is logical? It’s the watts not the size of the sub that make it so loud?

lol have no fear.. do you have the Audio Control LC2i? i will go take some pics of my settings

[audis4culver]

i have it on order... 67 bucks from ebay. mid week. I went to best buy and bought a cheepo thing for $15