New B9 RS5

[scottykenneth]

Not sure if someone posted already but just saw these. Thought I share. Just came out from Genevea Auto Show today. 2.9V6

[xmikegx]

Wow.. strongly considering selling my b8 now lol...

[0000_S5]

It looks very good.


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[Willënskraft]

I dig it, but not the wheels.

[Beast]

Real world pics from geneva

[scottykenneth]

Im_audi on Insta photoshopped some BBS's on. Def looks better.


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Real world pics from geneva

Nice

[DreDay]

I'm feeling it. The BBS look great on it. The hood is still a little iffy but over all I'm with it.


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[4RingRook]

I like it.

[brilliant_black]

This car looks insanely hot I really want to lease this when I finish school in two years.

My only gripe is it not having a dual clutch.

I watched the new video of the B9 RS5 accelerating and compared it to a B8.5 RS5.

I downloaded both clips and looked at it frame by frame and the dual clutch no doubt shifts faster.

I've had the chance to drive the B8.5 S4 and S5 many times and I really love the S-tronic. The S3 and RS3 are getting it, but not the S4, S5, and now RS5 :(

[jmaddr]

Agreed on the dual clutch thing. Really depressing. I WANT to love this car. I'll have to reserve judgement till I drive it, but EVERY torque converter I've driven doesn't feel "right". a dual-clutch is no where near as smooth, but I kinda like that (coming from a lifer 6MT guy).

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/auto/2...i-rs5/preview/

That tan interior is AWESOME.

[PEM]

Interior is beautiful. Exterior..... Wtf is going on. Whole exhaust/diffuser setup looks like an afterthought, a side blade and fake vent thing, and intakes in the front look like only the innermost parts of the grill are open and functional? Not to mention they didn't bump up the HP. Yeah..

I don't know.. Maybe it'll grow on me but for right now I'm glad I went with the B8.5 RS5 lol

[HMS]

There's a whiff of "Camry-ness" about it that i can't shake off.

No thanks.

also, those BBS look dope, but also, this car should have at least 550 HP.

[mopaNi]

There's a whiff of "Camry-ness" about it that i can't shake off.

Ummm put the crack pipe down lol

[HMS]

Ummm put the crack pipe down lol

also, crack is delicious. You should try it.

[mcbuck]

Not a fan. The front end looks like a Ford Fusion to me. Somebody compared the grille to how it looks when you slice an orange into quarters and stuff one in your mouth....I can't unsee that now.

Most of the comments also seem like folks are trying to convince themselves that they like it.

[NPuter]

Agreed on the dual clutch thing. Really depressing. I WANT to love this car. I'll have to reserve judgement till I drive it, but EVERY torque converter I've driven doesn't feel "right". a dual-clutch is no where near as smooth, but I kinda like that (coming from a lifer 6MT guy).

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/auto/2...i-rs5/preview/

That tan interior is AWESOME.

The ZF8 can be great depending on how it's tuned. I've driven several iterations of ZF8 and Audi S-Tronic, and prefer the ZF overall.

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My PS contribution

[jmaddr]

Agreed @Nputer. It's a fantastic transmission. Just like just about everything in this list, it comes down to what you want from the car. If you want your transmission to be smooth as butter with fast, crisp shifts, get the ZF. If you tend more towards sport and a connected feeling, get the manual....oops I mean the dual clutch.

I look at the debate the same way I view the German marques. Mercedes bends towards the luxury burr, BMW towards the sports driver, and Audi in the sweet spot in the middle. Perhaps the ZF is the right transmission then after saying that.


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[mikron2]

Interior is beautiful. Exterior..... Wtf is going on. Whole exhaust/diffuser setup looks like an afterthought, a side blade and fake vent thing, and intakes in the front look like only the innermost parts of the grill are open and functional? Not to mention they didn't bump up the HP. Yeah..

I don't know.. Maybe it'll grow on me but for right now I'm glad I went with the B8.5 RS5 lol

I'm glad I went with the B8.5 too. The interior looks amazing but the outside is just ok to me. I don't hate it, but I don't love it either. I like the smoother curves of the B8.5 as opposed to how sharp the lines are on the 9. I'd still like to see it in person as well, that can make a big difference.


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[superswiss]

Excitement is definitely lukewarm for me. The transmission was expected, but still a major letdown given that its direct competitors the M4 and C63 continue to stay away from a torque converter. Even the Merc, which isn't a dual-clutch continues to replace the torque converter with a startup clutch for that direct connection between the engine and the drivetrain suitable for a car like this. This one is obviously faster than the old one, the new chassis is promising, an optional carbon fiber roof, upgraded technology, so many things to like, but the powertrain just leaves me cold unfortunately. I'm waiting for Audi on Demand to get one for their fleet assuming it comes to the US, so I can take it out for a day in the canyons to see how I like it compared to my current one. I also have yet to drive a ZF8 that I like as much as the S-tronic in the current RS5.

[JamesRS5]

S5 with a pulley and map is faster!


Did I get that in before Doug?

[Okan509]

S5 with a pulley and map is faster!


Did I get that in before Doug?

Don't say his name 3 times. Apparently that spawns him.

I like this car a lot. Some of the details are odd, but easily done away with speccing BO.

should be better in every way over the old car - and probably the best car Audi has released outside the R8.

[ip428]

I like it

[Beast]

ZF may be smoother etc etc, but remember this is an RS car. There is a good reason why all the new supercars come with a DCT......and not ZF.

[Mops@Nemesis]

[Okan509]

ZF may be smoother or whatever but remember this is an RS car. There is a reason why all the new supercars come with a DCT......

I think you have a huge misunderstanding of the ZF and a DCT. My understanding is that a DCT is faster and thus you see it in supercars where tenths of a second matter more.

They should be, inherently, smoother too. I have heard people complain that the PDK, for instance, is too good. Shifting your own gears in these pseudo manuals has almost become obsolete in the short time they have become mainstream (an exaggeration, but nonetheless).

It could be argued that a traditional automatic, like the ZF, would provide more feedback than a DCT - in terms of actually feeling the car shift gears, etc.

and honestly, let's not confuse an entry level GT car with a supercar. Either way, the powertrain and transmission should not concern any of you. Audi has been at the top of the transmission game for a while now. And they will surely tune the thing to behave and compete with the competition.

Driving dynamics are another story. Engine is still too far forward.

[spa]

Too busy of a design too many styling cues make it look like it's trying to hard, the new swage line hides the boxy fenders. The B8 & B8.5 was a instant hit and a classic beauty. Sure this one will grow on us but it's not love at first sight for me. Pluses are the interior, the torque and the sub 4 sec 0-60. I am happy to stay with my RS5.
I wish they stuck more to the clean design language of the new TTRS that car I think is a knock out.

[Mops@Nemesis]

I think you have a huge misunderstanding of the ZF and a DCT.

I lay it to the SQ every time it comes out, no lube. I've been extremely pleased with the ZF, and I cannot seem to break it. I have no issue with a ZF variant in the RS5. And I have the S3 for a comp, so I'm familiar with both. I think it would be best to try the new car out before concluding the transmission is a let down. Say even the new SQ vid with the green one... the shifts are extemely quick and crispy.

[Okan509]

I lay it to the SQ every time it comes out, no lube. I've been extremely pleased with the ZF, and I cannot seem to break it. I have no issue with a ZF variant in the RS5. And I have the S3 for a comp, so I'm familiar with both. I think it would be best to try the new car out before concluding the transmission is a let down. Say even the new SQ vid with the green one... the shifts are extemely quick and crispy.

for real.

the powerplant is going to bother those who want a V8. No changing that. but this means more tuning, more power and less weight where it counts.

complaining about the non-tangible drivetrain seems silly, at best.

[Beast]

I think you have a huge misunderstanding of the ZF and a DCT. My understanding is that a DCT is faster and thus you see it in supercars where tenths of a second matter more.

They should be, inherently, smoother too. I have heard people complain that the PDK, for instance, is too good. Shifting your own gears in these pseudo manuals has almost become obsolete in the short time they have become mainstream (an exaggeration, but nonetheless).

It could be argued that a traditional automatic, like the ZF, would provide more feedback than a DCT - in terms of actually feeling the car shift gears, etc.

and honestly, let's not confuse an entry level GT car with a supercar. Either way, the powertrain and transmission should not concern any of you. Audi has been at the top of the transmission game for a while now. And they will surely tune the thing to behave and compete with the competition.

Driving dynamics are another story. Engine is still too far forward.

No misunderstanding here. I am speaking from experience of REAL WORLD driving, not about what it may or may not be on paper. I have cars with both and 100% DCT shifts are faster and more engaging. IMO that is what an RS car is all about, no matter if its an "entry level GT". The DCT in the current RS was one of the mostly highly liked/reviewed aspects of the current car and most reviews said it was much better vs the competition.

[superswiss]

I lay it to the SQ every time it comes out, no lube. I've been extremely pleased with the ZF, and I cannot seem to break it. I have no issue with a ZF variant in the RS5. And I have the S3 for a comp, so I'm familiar with both. I think it would be best to try the new car out before concluding the transmission is a let down. Say even the new SQ vid with the green one... the shifts are extemely quick and crispy.

Definitely true that it has to be tried first, but I must say this. Aside from the R8 the new TT RS and RS3, there is no S-tronic in the Audi lineup that comes even close to the performance and feel of the tuning in the RS5. I've driven them all, and other than the R/RS tuned once they are all severely watered down for my taste. We'll have to compare this ZF8 tuning to the outgoing DSG tuning to reach a conclusion.

[Mops@Nemesis]

for real.

the powerplant is going to bother those who want a V8. No changing that. but this means more tuning, more power and less weight where it counts.

complaining about the non-tangible drivetrain seems silly, at best.

Anymore, change seems to bother like never before. It's going to be a much better overall car. That's really all that matters to me personally. The old body and engine are history, and they're not going to do an FI V8 in the 5. This happens every time the new new comes.

[Beast]

Let's be real, the only reason they have the ZF now in the new cars is due to better fuel consumption in which the ZF >DCT.

[NPuter]

Definitely true that it has to be tried first, but I must say this. Aside from the R8 the new TT RS and RS3, there is no S-tronic in the Audi lineup that comes even close to the performance and feel of the tuning in the RS5. I've driven them all, and other than the R/RS tuned once they are all severely watered down for my taste. We'll have to compare this ZF8 tuning to the outgoing DSG tuning to reach a conclusion.

That's what I'm saying; tuning is a big factor for any transmission. Just like all Audi s-tronic boxes don't feel the same due to tuning, the same holds true for the ZF.
Given how aggressive the ZF is tuned in the current SQ, I'm sure it'll be no slouch in the RS.

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[Beast]

Definitely true that it has to be tried first, but I must say this. Aside from the R8 the new TT RS and RS3, there is no S-tronic in the Audi lineup that comes even close to the performance and feel of the tuning in the RS5. I've driven them all, and other than the R/RS tuned once they are all severely watered down for my taste. We'll have to compare this ZF8 tuning to the outgoing DSG tuning to reach a conclusion.

100% agree

[Okan509]

No misunderstanding here. I am speaking from experience of REAL WORLD driving, not about what it may or may not be on paper. I have cars with both and 100% DCT shifts are faster and more engaging. IMO that is what an RS car is all about, no matter if its an "entry level GT". The DCT in the current RS was one of the mostly highly liked/reviewed aspects of the current car and most reviews said it was much better vs the competition.

I'm not saying the ZF will be as good as the transmission in the outgoing RS5, but you'll have 40 other things that are better than the last gen model (if you can get past driving a ZF transmission).

They (car reviews) focused on where the car shined, which only means the rest of the car was relatively lackluster - which can also be seen in reviews and it losing nearly all of them against the competition.

My point: The transmission does not MAKE the car. It can break the car, but it will not be the case here - Audi knows how to tune transmissions. And again, Audi has some of the best transmissions/tuning in the business.

[Okan509]

Let's be real, the only reason they have the ZF now in the new cars is due to better fuel consumption in which the ZF >DCT.

Better fuel economy, better packaging and can hold more torque at a cheaper cost (which the current RS5 doesn't have much of).

[Mops@Nemesis]

We'll have to compare this ZF8 tuning to the outgoing DSG tuning to reach a conclusion.

I'm excited to do-so. Hoping we get a video like I mentioned above for the SQ5 where we can really hear how the ZF operates.

I've driven a couple of RS5's, and that variant was super solid no doubt. Felt great.

[superswiss]

That's what I'm saying; tuning is a big factor for any transmission. Just like all Audi s-tronic boxes don't feel the same due to tuning, the same holds true for the ZF.

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Yes, we'll have to see how they tuned it. The S-tronic in the RS5 is quite high strung. It has very fast hydraulics, which gives it the excellent response it has when driving the car hard. I'll eat my words if they managed to replicated this with the ZF8, but I highly doubt it.

[Beast]

Respect Okan, but from my view transmission 100% makes the car however I am sure it will be just as good, like you said Audi makes great transmissions. Time shall tell! I can't wait to test drive one

[Okan509]

I think we are all eager. Some people will hate so much they won't even give it a go.

The b8 RS5 will live on forever. It's lines are timeless and the v8 will be adored for a long time.