Best Tune?

[fallingreason]

Have a new to me 2.0t Quattro 6MT Titanium and wondering which tune to trust with this well maintained vehicle.

I've researched a bit and understand JHM's is the most recently developed and likely the quickest. I've also heard their tunes are not reliable at all.

I had Unitronic stage 1 and APR stage 1 K04 tunes when I was with the B6 platform, and liked Unitronic more even at stage 1. I am thinking I will likely go with them.


Any other advice on what to look at? Motoza?

I will likely not do anything more than a K04 in the future.

Thanks in advance!

[vce1232000]

Ive heard the JHM tunes are reliable. Just that some members had flashing problems. Unitronic is pretty low on on the B7 platform imo. As you know when you have a tune that is at the threshold of its . Engine has to be @ its best

[NickSchooler]

Stick to what you know, I'm putting my trust into JHM since they have a couple of options for 91 octane. You can thank Colorado for that

Hopefully someone here has experience with both tunes.

[canadianA4B7]

I'll sell you an EFR 6758 for far less then a K04!

[Theiceman]

Subscribed.
How does it work if you want a 91 and 93 tune for Jhm ? Do you have to pay twice ?


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[BOOSTED DUBB]

I just flashed my car last week with stage 1 93oct. I had some problems with install, but it was because of my laptop and not with the programs. My car is a 2006 avant 6mt with 147000 on it. No regrets, and it pulls hard.

[danbfree]

If you look at the figures, just about all the top brands are very close in the power gains.. I can say Unitronic has incredible support, they have techs on call 24/7 and if a flash goes bad they call YOU.

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[krewbrew]

I switched from Eurodyne, which was on my car when I bought it, to JHM and am extremely pleased. The comment that power gains are similar on major tunes is true, but JHM’s tune has a much wider power band, giving more hp at top end. Their support has been fabulous and they continue to develop products for our platform. The tune is also very smooth. I highly recommend it.

[yxri]

I'll sell you an EFR 6758 for far less then a K04!

This guy will sell you his EFR 6758 for your wife. But you should JHM. Really pushing products for the b7 platform. I have apr stage one and I cringe everyday on what "it couldve been"

[kTaLgsTo]

I think the jhm reliability issues you've heard are in the v8 platform. I have seen no bad reviews of their product for the 2.0t yet...

[yxri]

I think the jhm reliability issues you've heard are in the v8 platform. I have seen no bad reviews of their product for the 2.0t yet...

Only reason to have problems is if your battery dies or you accidentally detract the cable mid way thru the tune. That will probably fuck it up. Other than that I haven't seen any problems with the actual tune.

[Sales@ECS Tuning]

I have mine tuned through Malone, stage 2 and stage 2+ (not switchable though) and he has given me excellent support! Also he can add stuff like anti lag and no lift shift in for those who want it! His prices are not bad either, really happy with how it runs.

Malone Tuning Options for the B7

-Mike

[thenofjboy]

I love my GIAC tune and I got it on sale. I had GIAC on my B5KO4 as well. It's more aggressive than APR and UNI I believe. I probably would've went with JHM but it wasnt out at the time.

I need to go for a drive in in B7 with a JHM tune.

GL!

[Charles.waite]

If you look at the figures, just about all the top brands are very close in the power gains.. I can say Unitronic has incredible support, they have techs on call 24/7 and if a flash goes bad they call YOU.

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Nope. Unitronic support is pretty lame. My buddy had an ongoing issue with their tune in his B6 and they refused to resolve it. He finally said screw it and switched tuners and upgraded to a GTRS and never had the problem since.

Personally I would steer clear of Unitronic based on that anecdote, but others' mileage may vary...

[Lonslow93]

Revo stage 2 has been AMAZING. thus far. Zero problem, A++ customer service, so on so forth.


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[danbfree]

Nope. Unitronic support is pretty lame. My buddy had an ongoing issue with their tune in his B6 and they refused to resolve it. He finally said screw it and switched tuners and upgraded to a GTRS and never had the problem since.

Personally I would steer clear of Unitronic based on that anecdote, but others' mileage may vary...

I've heard nothing but good things about their B7 tunes, but you're right, everyone's experience may vary... Personally I'd have no problem going with Revo, JHM, or APR either, others as well, the B7 is obviously a mature platform.

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[canadianA4B7]

The unitronic tune is only getting better now wow lol!!! after baldy and myself found the flaws. (Not taking credit) but he and I spent some time harassing them. They had files mix matched maps between tunes and that's why they threw lots of codes in the past. Then they'll claim its hardware cuz it's not bought from them. Do you think a rai HFC can throw a under boost code? They're solution was to abandon all my parts and just buy from unitronic. They're customer support was crap if that's changed I'd be surprised.

I went from unitronic (OTS) to maestro. And wudnt look back. I'll pass around maestro tunes to anyone interested.

Malone has been around a long time, I've herard he puts down some crazy tunes in the diesel sections I bet he's having much success now w other platforms.

OP contact dotuning. From what I've read they're putting out some serious tunes. I believe they will revise for end user as well. Antilag, no lift shift I believe the have as options too.

[Charles.waite]

That's the same BS my buddy was given. They kept blaming it on his hardware and supporting mods. He tossed in a stock, imo-defeated ECU and the issues disappeared (I believe it was issues with warm starts or something). Unitronic refused to take any responsibility and he eventually moved on to Motoza (I think) and has been exceedingly happy. He fought with Uni for over a year on the issue and eventually just said fuck them and gave up.

[RoguesGambit]

Revo stage 2 has been AMAZING. thus far. Zero problem, A++ customer service, so on so forth.


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Revo isn't bad, but you gotta constantly reinstall the tune if the battery dies or gets disconnected, plus I've seen the videos and read the reviews, gonna go JHM soon

[esandes]

I hear nothing but good things about JHM.

With APR you get up to four tunes to install and switch. You also pay APR once as any future programming/tunes or updates are free.

[esandes]

APR is reliable too. I never had it get erased by the accounts described in this thread.

[wriscolf]

Wow, no APR votes. I like APR due to my ability to swap tunes. If i lend my car to my father or my little brother, they do not need that extra power. Plus i love having different tunes i can turn into. Went for a trip and couldnt find 93. Best i found was 91, I could have filled her up and changed tune. Lucky the guy told me of a place where i could get my lovely 93.

On reliability. I think thats more on the motor. If you get a tune that pushes harder, which seems to be JHM, you are forcing the motor to be fuctioning harder. So in my logic i see it as you forcing the motor to do something and wear down more. So that brings down reliability. Honestly, the car stock isnt that bad (flame shield on, i use to drive a stock 240sx then Sentra SE-R) any tune makes it so much better. see the options and features. I kinda wish i had valet mode in my car but my car was tuned before i bought it.

[RoguesGambit]

JHM adapts to new mods and learns

[vce1232000]

Wow, no APR votes.

I have the APR KO4 tune rite now. I have already purchased the JHM KO4 tune and just need to it. I think APR is a solid tune. Id never had it hiccup once in the 4 years Ive had it. I just felt the need to if a updated tune will make more . If it has issue's. Ill just download the APR KO4 tune rite back on

[WewannaB7]

I'm perfectly happy with my APR tune. Very reliable and decent bump in power. I felt the car in stock was very sluggish, but this pepped it up nicely. I hear a lot of good things about JHM, but not disappointed in APR, so not changing over.

[canadianA4B7]

JHM adapts to new mods and learns

So order jhm tune, toss in any massive turbo you want and jhm tune will adapt and run car perfectly.... I hope you work for jhm and are a spokesman covering costs when this goes terribly wrong! I have serious doubts in what your saying. A bit of learning sure full on adaptability to any thing you throw at it doesn't seem possible.

[Charles.waite]

^^ Its not. But obviously you know that. It can adapt to environmental variables within a limited set of parameters (usually dictated by the Bosch MED9.1 software), but its not some magical AI that knows when you strap on an EFR vs a k03 and magically spits out a new tune.

On the topic of APR. I had APR on my b6. I have nothing bad to say about it, and had zero tune related issues in the 5 years I owned the car. The new owner doesn't either. about 2 years in I upgraded to the 1+ file with larger injectors and was incredibly happy with it. Could I have gotten more power with a newer tuner? yea probably but APR was good for what it was and it was a mature tune for a mature platform.

My beef with the APR tune for the b7 is this: The FSI platform was brand new for ANY VAG car in 2005. direct injection tuning techniques were very much in their infancy back when APR released their tune. The 1.8t had been around for almost a decade and port injection was nothing new when the b6 tunes came out. The b7 is a new animal and its taken tuners quite a while to wrap their heads around exactly how to best extract more power safely from a FSI engine. Now maybe APR had some hookup with Bosch and got tuning help, but I'm not so sure. They haven't really done much with their tunes after their initial release (unlike the newer b8 tunes that have had widely publicized tune revisions with extra power gains across the board). Now maybe some of that is becuase of the Valvelift in the EA888 motors, but who can be certain.

Point to this ramble? APR's software is old. It might be safe, but its old. You're spending the same amount (or more) as competing tunes and leaving some safely produced power on the table.

And yea EMCS is great in theory, but I switched my tune maybe 3 times in the entire time I owned my b6. Basically I flipped it to 93 once to see what it was like. Then flipped it back to 91 because we only get 92 here. Then once I flipped it to stock when it was in the shop. then back. Its hardly a killer feature despite the initial wow factor.

[Jake@JHM]

Who ever says our tunes are "unreliable" have zero clue what they are talking about. So I would suggest not taking their advisement seriously.

For the record, a tune can't just "fail" or "go bad" or anything to render it unreliable. Once software has been successfully flashed on to an ECU its good to go. People who have issues after flashing software are typically those who have done a poor job of proper maintenance on their vehicles. Yes, there could be some tunes out there that could be considered dangerous. However I wouldn't expect that from a reputable company.


Example for the B7-A4 2.0T. If you get a tune and your old style diaphragm diverter fails because of the added boost, doesn't mean the tune is bad, it means you need to update your diverter valve to the REV. D version that is a piston style.

Give our software a shot. You will love it like everyone else

[Jake@JHM]

^^ Its not. But obviously you know that. It can adapt to environmental variables within a limited set of parameters (usually dictated by the Bosch MED9.1 software), but its not some magical AI that knows when you strap on an EFR vs a k03 and magically spits out a new tune.

On the topic of APR. I had APR on my b6. I have nothing bad to say about it, and had zero tune related issues in the 5 years I owned the car. The new owner doesn't either. about 2 years in I upgraded to the 1+ file with larger injectors and was incredibly happy with it. Could I have gotten more power with a newer tuner? yea probably but APR was good for what it was and it was a mature tune for a mature platform.

My beef with the APR tune for the b7 is this: The FSI platform was brand new for ANY VAG car in 2005. direct injection tuning techniques were very much in their infancy back when APR released their tune. The 1.8t had been around for almost a decade and port injection was nothing new when the b6 tunes came out. The b7 is a new animal and its taken tuners quite a while to wrap their heads around exactly how to best extract more power safely from a FSI engine. Now maybe APR had some hookup with Bosch and got tuning help, but I'm not so sure. They haven't really done much with their tunes after their initial release (unlike the newer b8 tunes that have had widely publicized tune revisions with extra power gains across the board). Now maybe some of that is becuase of the Valvelift in the EA888 motors, but who can be certain.

Point to this ramble? APR's software is old. It might be safe, but its old. You're spending the same amount (or more) as competing tunes and leaving some safely produced power on the table.

And yea EMCS is great in theory, but I switched my tune maybe 3 times in the entire time I owned my b6. Basically I flipped it to 93 once to see what it was like. Then flipped it back to 91 because we only get 92 here. Then once I flipped it to stock when it was in the shop. then back. Its hardly a killer feature despite the initial wow factor.

We have program switching as well through the cruise control stock.



Here is the how to launch assist video as well:

[Charles.waite]

SnippySnip

Soon, Jake. Sooooon.....



(Good lord I need a tune so badly...)

(Also that launch control would smoke my original clutch in a single launch I bet. Looks fun though!)

[Jake@JHM]

Soon, Jake. Sooooon.....



(Good lord I need a tune so badly...)

(Also that launch control would smoke my original clutch in a single launch I bet. Looks fun though!)

Hah we have a solution for that too!

[Charles.waite]

Hah we have a solution for that too!

Yeah you do. You guys are just going to be taking all my money eventually.

[Jake@JHM]

Yeah you do. You guys are just going to be taking all my money eventually.

Tax season is here right?

[Avant4me]

Gotta throw my support for JHM on this one.
Stage2 93 octane and I've been tuned for over 15,000+ miles(currently 106k total). I beat on it non-stop and it's been great. Now I just need to replace my OEM clutch for more launch control fun😁

[Jake@JHM]

Gotta throw my support for JHM on this one.
Stage2 93 octane and I've been tuned for over 15,000+ miles(currently 106k total). I beat on it non-stop and it's been great. Now I just need to replace my OEM clutch for more launch control fun😁

Let me know when you are ready to order

[pezgoon]

Tax season is here right?

Ha! Wish my wife's student loans weren't taking my taxes... I had that shit in my cart ready to go


Also, those are some impressive numbers from Malone, anyone go from Malone to jhm or vice verse? Just curious how it compares. I can't get it anyway though, I need tune switching for when I go on vacation and there's only 91 around


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[vce1232000]

Ha! Wish my wife's student loans weren't taking my taxes...

Simple solution.... Get ride of the wife

[pezgoon]

Simple solution.... Get ride of the wife

Ha! Your right, I've got two with this car. Just as needy and expensive


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[rickescazu]

That's the same BS my buddy was given. They kept blaming it on his hardware and supporting mods. He tossed in a stock, imo-defeated ECU and the issues disappeared (I believe it was issues with warm starts or something). Unitronic refused to take any responsibility and he eventually moved on to Motoza (I think) and has been exceedingly happy. He fought with Uni for over a year on the issue and eventually just said fuck them and gave up.

your buddy that used motoza have a B7 car? any details as i have been having a hell of time to get Motoza program to read my ecu they been trying for a few months. first thought it was the GIAC stuff so they came and removed it, no issues VCDS just motoza. any help much appreciated.

thanks

rick

[Charles.waite]

your buddy that used motoza have a B7 car? any details as i have been having a hell of time to get Motoza program to read my ecu they been trying for a few months. first thought it was the GIAC stuff so they came and removed it, no issues VCDS just motoza. any help much appreciated.

thanks

rick

No I should have clarified this was a b6 . Motoza doesn't tune b7s.