Went for a ride in Mario's TT RS4...

[mr_dennis_s]

Short Version

WOW! HOLY S*^&T! Lag until 4-4.5K RPMs but when boost hits HOLD ON!!!!! He killed a street bike on the highway. Earlier in the day he pulled on my Supercharged RS4.

Long Version

I woke up this morning to the weather report saying high of 70 and sunny. For any of you who live outside of New England that is unheard of during the month of February. I couldn't pass up bringing my baby out of winter hibernation to enjoy this day. I normally drive my company car during the week but I had been itching to drive the RS4 after being cooped up the garage for the past two months. Around midday as I was headed to an appointment I spot Mario's RS4 a few cars back. We had met this summer when a bunch of local Audis got together to cruise to a car show. I had been looking forward to running against him on that cruise but that day was ruined because it started pouring rain on the way to the show so everyone took it easy. I thought about posting video of the cruise but it is not very entertaining and I am rambling the whole time about how I just cleaned and waxed my car and now it is raining. So today was the perfect opportunity to see how my APR kit stacked up to his custom TT build. IT DOESN'T! We did one pull... nothing too crazy but he pulled on me really easily. After that pull, we ran into some traffic plus my exit was coming up. I had to get to my meeting so I told him I would hit him up afterwards because I wanted a ride in that thing. I met up with him at his house and off we went.

My initial impressions as we were driving out of the residential neighborhood were: This thing idles normal and drives like stock, exhaust was relatively quiet, no warning lights, and damn he has 113,XXX miles (don't remember exact). Once we got on the open road he hit it. I remember thinking to myself "yeah that pulls alright" and then full boost came on, the back end stepped out and it pulled with such force I was literally shocked. I am always really impressed with the acceleration of my car but this was another level. There is definitely lag but when boost comes on WOW! HOLY S*^T! We got on the highway and he let it go again... RIDICULOUS!!! Once it hits full boost it is INSANE. He said he is only making 12psi which he estimates to be around 650awhp. I should also mention that on the way back he baited a street bike into a pull and put a few bus lengths on it. All in all it was an exhilarating experience. Oil temps didn't rise above 221 degrees. Just before I took off from his house he says " Next time I'll turn it up to 14 or 15psi and take you for another ride".

I know there are a lot of opinions about Mario and his car on this site but coming from an APR Supercharged RS4 owner that car is no joke. I know he has not been able to achieve the quarter mile times of supercharged cars but I can tell you it is INSANE. I would be curious to see how he does in one of those closed 1/2 mile events at airstrips. I am afraid of what this thread will ignite but I know there has been a ton of speculation on the TT kit and wanted to hopefully shed some light and provide a first-hand account. After the ride, he popped the hood and had me feel the Intake manifold which was cooler than holding a warm cup of coffee. I came away very impressed with the car's performance and I give Mario the respect for taking on the challenge of trying to do something different with all of the turnkey kits available on our platform.

[denis silva]

Good words man, I always knew his car was that fast because a car that runs 11 something seconds on the 1/4 mile but the speed trap is above 130 mph it has to have lots of power! It would be cool to see that car running on 1/5 mile strip!



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[q_dubz]

good stuff

[Peter1.8t]

I remember my first time in a 600+whp car. Every time you stack on another 100whp its a better feeling every time.

I don't think any of us have doubted that Mario's car does make some big HP numbers, that is with the exception of Kenny coming in here and putting him on blast. Trapping 132mph for a 4000lbs sport sedan proves its making in the range of 600whp. Its a nasty ride, no doubting that. Needs some more time in the drivers seat though to perfect it. Despite what others might think in comparison to driving their near stock HP RS4's, its no easy feat to tame a high HP turbocharged, manually shifted AWD sedan.

Its the other side of Mario that many forum members have had an issue with. Lying about certain things, getting caught in lies, lying further about the same situation after being caught, lying about the lie saying the lie was the truth but the truth is a lie, telling the truth and no one believing it because we are so used to fact checking his lies and it completely perplexed most of the forum with this weird truth telling phenomenon.

That is the side of him that no one likes. Some of the things he says he doesn't even need to lie about as its not going to impress us either way, so really the pathological lying has done nothing but damage his image and credibility on here. So if he could stop acting like a child that searching for the approval of other by lying his way in and out of situations that would be great.

[ven0m]

General question here: OP if you paid attention during your ride. When you mention the lag, how was the engine response when downshifting with a throttle-blip and/or heel&toeing? How does that engine response/lag compare with a supercharged care and how does a supercharged car compare to the stock n/a regarding throttle response?

Throttle response = how fast do the rpm rise from idle when clutch is disengaged

[CrickiKaze]

Lagging till half the rpm....hmm....might need to change something up but at the same time it is in boost where it matters, I'm gonna have to see what tutbos he is running if he posted the info. My personnel opinion but I would expect lag up till 2-3k for personnel preference.

I would love to TT my RS but not with that much lag. Goes to show how much more info is needed to find a good setup to match with the motor but this is a good stepping stone to start from.

[Quattrors4]

there is realy nothing to change yes it is a little bit lagy but that comes with the territory off having big turbos
3000 rpm 4psi
3500 rpm 9 psi
4000 rpm 12 psi
4250 rpm full boost
I still have 4500 rpm off big power band
i can run this car with antillag engaged witch keeps the engine on boost all the time if i want to too
i sized my turbos because i knew that i wont stop and settle for 650 700 awhp ,it gets slow after a while,when i built engine will go in then i will realy turn them up

[Quattrors4]

Short Version

: WOW! HOLY S*^&T! Lag until 4-4.5K RPMs but when boost hits HOLD ON!!!!! He killed a street bike on the highway. Earlier in the day he pulled on my Supercharged RS4.

Long Version

I woke up this morning to the weather report saying high of 70 and sunny. For any of you who live outside of New England that is unheard of during the month of February. I couldn't pass up bringing my baby out of winter hibernation to enjoy this day. I normally drive my company car during the week but I had been itching to drive the RS4 after being cooped up the garage for the past two months. Around midday as I was headed to an appointment I spot Mario's RS4 a few cars back. We had met this summer when a bunch of local Audis got together to cruise to a car show. I had been looking forward to running against him on that cruise but that day was ruined because it started pouring rain on the way to the show so everyone took it easy. I thought about posting video of the cruise but it is not very entertaining and I am rambling the whole time about how I just cleaned and waxed my car and now it is raining. So today was the perfect opportunity to see how my APR kit stacked up to his custom TT build. IT DOESN'T! We did one pull... nothing too crazy but he pulled on me really easily. After that pull, we ran into some traffic plus my exit was coming up. I had to get to my meeting so I told him I would hit him up afterwards because I wanted a ride in that thing. I met up with him at his house and off we went.

My initial impressions as we were driving out of the residential neighborhood were: This thing idles normal and drives like stock, exhaust was relatively quiet, no warning lights, and damn he has 113,XXX miles (don't remember exact). Once we got on the open road he hit it. I remember thinking to myself "yeah that pulls alright" and then full boost came on, the back end stepped out and it pulled with such force I was literally shocked. I am always really impressed with the acceleration of my car but this was another level. There is definitely lag but when boost comes on WOW! HOLY S*^T! We got on the highway and he let it go again... RIDICULOUS!!! Once it hits full boost it is INSANE. He said he is only making 12psi which he estimates to be around 650awhp. I should also mention that on the way back he baited a street bike into a pull and put a few bus lengths on it. All in all it was an exhilarating experience. Oil temps didn't rise above 221 degrees. Just before I took off from his house he says " Next time I'll turn it up to 14 or 15psi and take you for another ride".

I know there are a lot of opinions about Mario and his car on this site but coming from an APR Supercharged RS4 owner that car is no joke. I know he has not been able to achieve the quarter mile times of supercharged cars but I can tell you it is INSANE. I would be curious to see how he does in one of those closed 1/2 mile events at airstrips. I am afraid of what this thread will ignite but I know there has been a ton of speculation on the TT kit and wanted to hopefully shed some light and provide a first-hand account. After the ride, he popped the hood and had me feel the Intake manifold which was cooler than holding a hot cup of coffee. I came away very impressed with the car's performance and I give Mario the respect for taking on the challenge of trying to do something different with all of the turnkey kits available on our platform.

I'm realy glad you liked it was pleasure having you in the car and talking to you and thank you for a great review specialy coming from someone that already has a fast supercharged rs4
like i said next time we hit the road with 15 psi
and yes outside temp where 70 plus degrees today if it was in the 30s it woulded felt even faster at 12 psi witch is normal but i was glad accualy that it was warm outside i wanted to show you after driving like maniac the engine still runs so cool and the intake manifold was just tad warm and the intercooler was still cold

[Quattrors4]

General question here: OP if you paid attention during your ride. When you mention the lag, how was the engine response when downshifting with a throttle-blip and/or heel&toeing? How does that engine response/lag compare with a supercharged care and how does a supercharged car compare to the stock n/a regarding throttle response?

Throttle response = how fast do the rpm rise from idle when clutch is disengaged

throttle respond is very quick,rpm rise very fast even off boost

[pule333]

Pictures or it never happened;)

[CrickiKaze]

there is realy nothing to change yes it is a little bit lagy but that comes with the territory off having big turbos
3000 rpm 4psi
3500 rpm 9 psi
4000 rpm 12 psi
4250 rpm full boost
I still have 4500 rpm off big power band
i can run this car with antillag engaged witch keeps the engine on boost all the time if i want to too
i sized my turbos because i knew that i wont stop and settle for 650 700 awhp ,it gets slow after a while,when i built engine will go in then i will realy turn them up

I stated personnel preference for a reason, not knocking what you got since it's your preference. There are turbos that can perform similar in the upper rpms like what you have and reduce the amount of lag but that is a give and take and the system you have displays it quite well.

What turbos are they?

[Quattrors4]

I stated personnel preference for a reason, not knocking what you got since it's your preference. There are turbos that can perform similar in the upper rpms like what you have and reduce the amount of lag but that is a give and take and the system you have displays it quite well.

What turbos are they?

efr 7163s .85 ar

[mr_dennis_s]

General question here: OP if you paid attention during your ride. When you mention the lag, how was the engine response when downshifting with a throttle-blip and/or heel&toeing? How does that engine response/lag compare with a supercharged care and how does a supercharged car compare to the stock n/a regarding throttle response?

Throttle response = how fast do the rpm rise from idle when clutch is disengaged

I tried to pay as much attention as possible during my ride. I am not sure I can provide an accurate description of the engine response when downshifting with throttle blip because I was just the passenger. As a passenger you don't get the same type of feedback you would as a driver.

As far as throttle response, I look at it a little differently than your definition above. I think of it more as how long does the car take to respond to my foot going to the floor. I think across the board whether I was N/A, JHM tuned or now Supercharged my throttle response has always been really good. Where the supercharger differs is that the low end shove is so much stronger than a stock car. Even from as low as 1500RPMs it pulls extremely well in any gear. In Mario's car as with most large turbo setups there is some lag which affects throttle response but when he was in higher RPMs there was no noticeable lag.

[Quattrors4]

I tried to pay as much attention as possible during my ride. I am not sure I can provide an accurate description of the engine response when downshifting with throttle blip because I was just the passenger. As a passenger you don't get the same type of feedback you would as a driver.

As far as throttle response, I look at it a little differently than your definition above. I think of it more as how long does the car take to respond to my foot going to the floor. I think across the board whether I was N/A, JHM tuned or now Supercharged my throttle response has always been really good. Where the supercharger differs is that the low end shove is so much stronger than a stock car. Even from as low as 1500RPMs it pulls extremely well in any gear. In Mario's car as with most large turbo setups there is some lag which affects throttle response but when he was in higher RPMs there was no noticeable lag.

when I hit the track course I drive with antilag on means I'm always on boost and spools up extremely fast

[stanglife]

I just want to see the build pictures. Or just pictures from under the car. Really the only thing stopping me from going TT is the fact that the piping has to travel back under the suspension, reducing ground clearance.

[chucklando]

What shop would you have do the fabrication and install? Dynotech which made a tt kit seems to have dropped it. Does Mario still have rights to all the parts in the kit to make it?

[Quattrors4]

I just want to see the build pictures. Or just pictures from under the car. Really the only thing stopping me from going TT is the fact that the piping has to travel back under the suspension, reducing ground clearance.

the piping doesn't travel back under the suspension ,but I will have something coming in a few weeks that will be priced around a supercharger kit and yes it will be turbocharged :-)

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What shop would you have do the fabrication and install? Dynotech which made a tt kit seems to have dropped it. Does Mario still have rights to all the parts in the kit to make it?

I'm already working with a new fabricator

[jovinsally]

All I got to say is WOW… props to your crazy build Mario. Now lets see some vids of this thing!!

[stanglife]

the piping doesn't travel back under the suspension ,but I will have something coming in a few weeks that will be priced around a supercharger kit and yes it will be turbocharged :-)

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I'm already working with a new fabricator

I remember seeing the original pictures and the piping did reduce ground clearance. When I say suspension, I mean under the actual belly pan.

[Quattrors4]

I remember seeing the original pictures and the piping did reduce ground clearance. When I say suspension, I mean under the actual belly pan.

my car seats pretty low and piping has 5 inch ground clearance ,I never hit anything I even drive in the snow with no problem whats over,the lowest part off the piping seats 1 1/4 inch under the belly pan so clearance is not an issue off course now if you are bagged and the car seats on the ground well lol yeah that wont work but then everything even your oil pan could hit

[Quattrors4]

All I got to say is WOW… props to your crazy build Mario. Now lets see some vids of this thing!!

its hard to make videos lol

[denis silva]

its hard to make videos lol

Get a go pro 199$ :) i just got one!


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[Quattrors4]

Get a go pro 199$ :) i just got one!


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I have one

[AudiYes]

So there's no point in me going to see if his car is fast or not right?

[Quattrors4]

So there's no point in me going to see if his car is fast or not right?

Why not ?there will be the amd hp car running the apr 1740 also

[Quattrors4]

is there any jhm sc that wants to join us ? and do a few runs for fun

[mr_dennis_s]

I keep my Gopro mounted in my car so I was able to get a short clip of him pulling on me yesterday... Sorry I don't have more for you.

[Corbett]

I keep my Gopro mounted in my car so I was able to get a short clip of him pulling on me yesterday... Sorry I don't have more for you.

Why does Mario leave early in every race I've ever seen him in lol

[Quattrors4]

Why does Mario leave early in every race I've ever seen him in lol

It's hard to time and it realy wasn't that early! Just imagine when I pull 2 gear all the way up !that was is 4gear and I was building boost still

[Peter1.8t]

That's not how your supposed to street race.

Step 1: Line up at the designated roll speed.
Step 2: One car beeps 3 times
Step 3: On the 3rd beep both cars accelerate.

Now I expect for the next time everyone follow these rules so it's a fair race and we are clearly able to see what's happening. Also once again all cars should be running pump gas so at least that variable is constant. Thanks.

[Quattrors4]

That's not how your supposed to street race.

Step 1: Line up at the designated roll speed.
Step 2: One car beeps 3 times
Step 3: On the 3rd beep both cars accelerate.

Now I expect for the next time everyone follow these rules so it's a fair race and we are clearly able to see what's happening. Also once again all cars should be running pump gas so at least that variable is constant. Thanks.

it doesn't realy mather my car was just pooling away like freight train and tell you the thrue its just for fun I don't care if if I win or loose I know my car makes more power and I was only hitting 12 psi if I ran 14.5 or 15 psi like the apr kit youlded be just insane
so me running e50 at 12 psi and apr running 14,5 or 15 psi on 93 makes it equal
also I coulded have quick spool and anti lag engaged youlded made it even worst
cheers man just enjoy
I know it pisses you off but get over it

[mr_dennis_s]

That's not how your supposed to street race.

Step 1: Line up at the designated roll speed.
Step 2: One car beeps 3 times
Step 3: On the 3rd beep both cars accelerate.

Now I expect for the next time everyone follow these rules so it's a fair race and we are clearly able to see what's happening. Also once again all cars should be running pump gas so at least that variable is constant. Thanks.

Peter, I agree with you... like I said it wasn't ideal footage but just wanted to give an idea. Even if we had started at the same time he still would have pulled. Hopefully I'll get some more vids this summer. Ideally I would like us to start at the same time and then angle my Gopro forward so you can see how much distance there is between us.

[Quattrors4]

Peter, I agree with you... like I said it wasn't ideal footage but just wanted to give an idea. Even if we had started at the same time he still would have pulled. Hopefully I'll get some more vids this summer. Ideally I would like us to start at the same time and then angle my Gopro forward so you can see how much distance there is between us.

Hopelly Denis we can all meet up next Saturday I would enjoy having your company

[Peter1.8t]

Your confused, It doesnt piss me off in the slightest bit. However it's annoying when trying to get a fair straight up comparison that we've all being dying to see from a third party source for months now, and when one person is jumping the gun it defeats that. We all know you'd pull ahead based off the number provided earlier. So if your already at the advantage why not take the hit and let him pull first since you so easily pulled ahead?

You may think it's fair to run e50 and be a whole 2psi lower, however we both know psi is just a number and doesn't say much about the volume of air being pushed. Also e50 will still allow you to run more peak timing than 93 does.

So again when you meet up again, give us a fair and honest comparison. Start at the same time, and use the same fuel pump 93. Don't see what's so difficult about that.

[yxri]

Video or it didn't happen

[Quattrors4]

Your confused, It doesnt piss me off in the slightest bit. However it's annoying when trying to get a fair straight up comparison that we've all being dying to see from a third party source for months now, and when one person is jumping the gun it defeats that. We all know you'd pull ahead based off the number provided earlier. So if your already at the advantage why not take the hit and let him pull first since you so easily pulled ahead?

You may think it's fair to run e50 and be a whole 2psi lower, however we both know psi is just a number and doesn't say much about the volume of air being pushed. Also e50 will still allow you to run more peak timing than 93 does.

So again when you meet up again, give us a fair and honest comparison. Start at the same time, and use the same fuel pump 93. Don't see what's so difficult about that.

No Mather what you will always have to say something
And as far as I know isn't flex fuel pump gas ⛽️?
And by the way 2 3 psi on my car makes a huge difference
Anyway it doesn't matter

[salradi]

No Mather what you will always have to say something
And as far as I know isn't flex fuel pump gas ⛽️?
And by the way 2 3 psi on my car makes a huge difference
Anyway it doesn't matter

We all know you are faster than probably every car here. Just stop being a noob and jumping. Let the other car get the jump and then go. Will make for a better video and sweeter victory.

[mr_dennis_s]

So there's no point in me going to see if his car is fast or not right?

It will be worth the trip. Even if we don't get any pulls in it you should experience for yourself. You bringing the RS7?

Hopelly Denis we can all meet up next Saturday I would enjoy having your company

I should be able to make it out as long as the weather is cooperating.

[Quattrors4]

We all know you are faster than probably every car here. Just stop being a noob and jumping. Let the other car get the jump and then go. Will make for a better video and sweeter victory.

Will do next time

[enizi]

^Take that hideous wing off your car