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    First pic of my car with the MSS Track pack. (Thank you William!). These are my winter wheels

    This is a fresh install, so once they settle I will adjust them. Probably when I put my new summer wheels on

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    Am I the first TT? I’ll be in killington this weekend snowboarding with my sons. When I get back my MSS will be ON! Wife will return a few days later, can’t wait to see if she notices the ride. Maybe the ultimate comfort test?
    So excited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ourlee View Post
    Am I the first TT? I’ll be in killington this weekend snowboarding with my sons. When I get back my MSS will be ON! Wife will return a few days later, can’t wait to see if she notices the ride. Maybe the ultimate comfort test?
    So excited.
    Likely, TTRS and TT-S have been covered so far.

    Have fun at Killington this weekend, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a lot a bit jealous! I wanted to go so badly last weekend when they got clobbered with snow.

    Looking forward to seeing what the car looks like... and please keep us posted on the Wife's ability to notice the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cream View Post
    First pic of my car with the MSS Track pack. (Thank you William!). These are my winter wheels

    This is a fresh install, so once they settle I will adjust them. Probably when I put my new summer wheels on

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    Looking good Cliff, you have always got the setup right to my eyes from your MK2 to now the MK3...sits perfect for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ourlee View Post
    Am I the first TT? I’ll be in killington this weekend snowboarding with my sons. When I get back my MSS will be ON! Wife will return a few days later, can’t wait to see if she notices the ride. Maybe the ultimate comfort test?
    So excited.
    OK, now am nervous again...but the Wife Test is a great test, truly...!
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    Whilst I will not want to cause any rift, all I can say is that I must be in a minority after many years of hearing great things about the Cayman platform, ours was ordered in November last year and arrived this evening...a 718 Cayman S - actually it has been here for the past 2 weeks however I have only got round to collecting it this evening...we have a fair bit on the development schedule this year so time is very limited.

    Short summary...
    - great PDK and certainly better at being intuitive in the Sports Plus mode than DSG. I really like this box.
    - the 2.5L engine sounds fab...very nice in the Sports mode though not so nice in the Sports Plus mode.
    - ride comfort is not bad actually, sure has some hard edges to it but not that harsh if am being honest.
    - biggest disappointment for me is the handling...feels just like the 911...floaty and thus not planted...there is no way I can commit to aggressive driving on the streets...yeah, I must be in a minority because it is just not as the press describe and owners claim...this 718 Cayman S cannot hang with the MK2 our MK3 TT-RS on open roads...that is what I note...just a touch too loose to drive quickly.
    - interior is dated to my eyes
    - sound system is fantastic...has great clarity and low end

    Anyway, more comparison with our TT-RS on real roads later but for now, enjoy the interior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 996CAB View Post
    Whilst I will not want to cause any rift, all I can say is that I must be in a minority after many years of hearing great things about the Cayman platform, ours was order in November last year and arrived this evening...a 718 Cayman S - actually it has been here for the past 2 weeks however I have only got round to collecting it this evening...we have a fair bit on the development schedule this year so time is very limited.

    Short summary...
    - great PDK and certainly better at being intuitive in the Sports Plus mode than DSG. I really like this box.
    - the 2.5L engine is sounds fab...very nice in the Sports mode though not so nice in the Sports Plus mode.
    - ride comfort is not bad actually, sure has some hard edges to it but not that harsh if am being honest.
    - biggest disappointment or me is the handling...feels just like the 911...floaty and thus not planted...there is no way I can commit to aggressive driving on the streets...yeah, I must be in a minority because it is just not all the press describe and owners claim...this 718 Cayman S cannot hang with the MK2 our MK3 TT-RS on open roads...that is what I note...just a touch too loose to drive quickly.
    - interior is dated to my eyes
    - sound system is fantastic...has great clarity and low end

    Anyway, more comparison with our TT-RS on real roads later but for now, enjoy the interior.

    We've got a 718 sitting in Josh's Garage.. patiently waiting

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    Quote Originally Posted by 996CAB View Post
    Looking good Cliff, you have always got the setup right to my eyes from your MK2 to now the MK3...sits perfect for me.
    Literally perfect. Look at how even the wheel gap is front to back... talented man Cliff is! Thanks for sharing. Can't stop looking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excelerate Rep View Post
    We've got a 718 sitting in Josh's Garage.. patiently waiting

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    Literally perfect. Look at how even the wheel gap is front to back... talented man Cliff is! Thanks for sharing. Can't stop looking.
    That would be the guys at Nur Technik here in Burnsville, MN. They do great work

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excelerate Rep View Post
    We've got a 718 sitting in Josh's Garage.. patiently waiting
    #1 in the queue to receive a kit...

    Right and more feedback as I did a quick back-to-back drive against our Grey Roadster with Track Pack fitted.

    Audi MK3 TT-RS key points...;
    - great turn-in
    - firm but planted
    - quick however DSG even in Dynamic mode is a hindrance and holding that 5-pot back...needs a different gearbox map...this to me is the biggest issue with the MK3 TT-RS...I wish I knew how to re-program these boxes...honestly!

    Porsche Cayman S key points...;
    - steering is nicely weighted from get go and feels progressively weighted
    - nice ride comfort however NOT planted and feels a little nervous over rougher roads
    - surprisingly quick mainly due to that fantastic gearbox map...this, to me, is what sets Porsche engineers apart from the rest I guess...they clearly drive their cars during development...and I can just imagine the scenario where a ride engineer comes back to ask for 1/20th sec more RPM delay during gear changes...throttle response in any gear is snap instant...superb...!

    One thing I note with Porsche is that there is the usual Comfort (Drive in Porsche speak); Sports; Sports Plus then there is the 'Sports Response' button which simply sets engine map to super aggressive...nice on deserted B-roads or race tracks...basically, that mode feels more like driving a manual transmission...the hold of RPMs is so intuitive that you can just tell that map was done by a chassis engineer and not a software guy...I like that a great deal.

    Audi implementation of this is the Manual Mode...which is 'OK' however not great. Porsche also have the Manual Mode however the 'Sports Response' button does a far better job of judging when to hold RPM; drop to lower gear or higher gear...wizardry;

    Great engineering at play here...Audi concentrate on cabin build and electronics; Porsche concentrate on engine/gearbox responsiveness...damn! I want to work for these guys...might send in my CV
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    install complete! I’ll be home Tuesday am
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    Quote Originally Posted by ourlee View Post
    install complete! I’ll be home Tuesday am
    Cool, share pix or it never happened...


    I get asked a number of questions repeatedly and thought I should take a moment to share with this community a response I gave recently to a UK long time customer who has just added a MK3 to his MK2 TT-RS and this time he went with MSS Sports as opposed to MSS Streets no his MK2.

    My simplistic response further below is something I hope helps explain a little more what we do and why we do it...ultimately, we are simply managing the onset of load transfer from corner to corner; axle to axle; during left to right transition from low to high speeds; over rough or smooth road surfaces; on wet tarmac or dry tarmac...nowt else and it really is as simple as that. Done well, the vehicle feels planted; stable; responsive; compliant ride comfort and above all else...fun to drive at any speeds on streets or track. The most important aspect of our solution is in the setup...here, you simply ask all customers to adhere to 5mm positive rake regardless of what ride height you dial in for personal preference. We use OE ride height measurement and as seen by the vehicle ECU and that is from fender edge to wheel hub centre. Doing so means stock height should be 360mm front (+/-2mm) | rear is 357mm (+/- 5mm).

    Another important information to note is that our solutions allows you to return to OE ride height - am not aware of any other solution that offers that...most are focussed on lowering by default...which is OK however limiting.


    Query raised was... "any recommendation on ride height and also why the 5mm minimum positive rake setup".

    My response to the first question was:
    There is no minimum ride height recommendation. Simply set the front to desired height then ensure rear sits 5mm higher - simple as that. Once the springs have gone through the 500 miles; then 2,000 miles settling process…check that the rear to front ride height delta is still 5mm positive rake.

    My response to the second question was:
    The 5mm minimum recommendation is to help with the following key traits…;
    - Reduction in dive;
    - Reduction in squat;
    - Greater steering feel;
    - Stability at higher speeds especially in the wet;
    - Reduced wheel hop on FWD Golf in particular – this is not something we engineered for…we just noted it during a number of test runs on MK5 and MK6 Golfs and so the MK7 Golf;
    - Enhanced ride comfort though these new cars ride well so in any case we do not want to deteriorate the ride for any of our Streets or Sports;

    We noted the above back in 2011/2012 once I worked closely with Eibach. It all has to do with managing the onset of load transfer (not weight transfer which is frequently referred to on forums). We can use rake to great effect this way and the plus points are the above traits. Go too big a gap and you risk the nose sitting too low and looking silly. But anything from 5mm up to 10mm works well…12mm is about as far as you want to go…15mm+ makes car unpredictable in the wet.

    Basically, look at Hi Fi system and in particular in-car audio…it is all about illusion…if you have separate components then you set the following…;
    - HF (tweeters) to 2.5kHz @ 24dB slope;
    - Mid-woofer to 125Hz @ 12dB slope;
    - Subwoofer one octave lower to mid-woofers so 63dB @ 24dB works very well …bass appears upfront…pretty incredible to hear.

    Anyone in the car would be convinced there is a subwoofer upfront but trust me it really is all to do with illusions and how you manage the arrival of sound…you can use DSP and time delay also however nothing beats a well setup audio system using less noise inducing electronics… (for springs it is managing the onset of load transfer by allowing the springs to do greater amount of Compression and Rebound duty cycles).

    So basic and well understood principle from the car audio world but when applied to suspension…it works well. The challenge is knowing where to start…If you have ever heard a well setup Bose Accoustimass system at home…that is not too dissimilar to our products when setup as per our recommendation.
    Last edited by 996CAB; 02-19-2018 at 10:22 PM.
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    William and Greg,

    Thanks for a great product. I tested out my fully adjustable sport set on my TT and it’s as advertised. I did 60 miles on the highway and another hour ripping around my local lake roads. On the highway I was hoping for low NVH and no dartiness. This is my dd and I do tons of highway roadtrips. The car behaved solid and sporty but required zero extra steering correction vs OEM. A win. The back roads showed off confidence inspiring turn in. Never darty or unpredictable. You all can imagine my hilly lake roads. They’re lined with boulders, trees, blind turns and elevation changes. For the first time I could feel the rear suspension working. Can’t wait to start pushing a little now that the car is set up (rear sway next, possibly camber plates after) It’s a free playground as soon as I exit my property. MSS was built for this shit.
    Another change I noticed was how the springs reacted to my winter set up. I’m using GTI Austin rims and new Michelin Xice 225/45/18s. Before MSS, it felt like my tires were going to roll right off my scrawny rims (7.5” wide) when I pushed a little. I thought my tuner blew up the tires to some ridiculous poundage but he never touched them. Apparently the MSS is using the tire properly vs the OEM suspension bashing it into submission. I can actually enjoy the car, it’s no longer handicapped by the soft snow sidewall. This little surprise is saving me about $1200. I can keep the Austins and buy spacers instead of wider rims.

    Final test is SWMBO will be home tomorrow and take her maiden lake road trip to the gym. I’m halfway down for the rest of the winter, she won’t notice the height so her input will be interesting. She’s ridden in lots of tuned cars and lifted jeeps but is still a point a to b girl. If she thinks it sucks she’ll call me out. Make no mistake the ride is not as comfy as OEM but it’s still really good.

    Thanks again for the hard work getting these to market and big thanks to my tuner Billy. I can’t wait to go LOW with my summer 19s!

    Also, if you’re on the fence, feel free to meet up. If you’re not a crazy person, you can test drive my TT.

    Rick

    Finally, how did I forget to mention how great the car looks dropped? It looks serious.
    Last edited by ourlee; 02-20-2018 at 12:23 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 996CAB View Post
    Cool, share pix or it never happened...


    I get asked a number of questions repeatedly and thought I should take a moment to share with this community a response I gave recently to a UK long time customer who has just added a MK3 to his MK2 TT-RS and this time he went with MSS Sports as opposed to MSS Streets no his MK2.

    My simplistic response further below is something I hope helps explain a little more what we do and why we do it...ultimately, we are simply managing the onset of load transfer from corner to corner; axle to axle; during left to right transition from low to high speeds; over rough or smooth road surfaces; on wet tarmac or dry tarmac...nowt else and it really is as simple as that. Done well, the vehicle feels planted; stable; responsive; compliant ride comfort and above all else...fun to drive at any speeds on streets or track. The most important aspect of our solution is in the setup...here, you simply ask all customers to adhere to 5mm positive rake regardless of what ride height you dial in for personal preference. We use OE ride height measurement and as seen by the vehicle ECU and that is from fender edge to wheel hub centre. Doing so means stock height should be 360mm front (+/-2mm) | rear is 357mm (+/- 5mm).

    Another important information to note is that our solutions allows you to return to OE ride height - am not aware of any other solution that offers that...most are focussed on lowering by default...which is OK however limiting.


    Query raised was... "any recommendation on ride height and also why the 5mm minimum positive rake setup".

    My response to the first question was:
    There is no minimum ride height recommendation. Simply set the front to desired height then ensure rear sits 5mm higher - simple as that. Once the springs have gone through the 500 miles; then 2,000 miles settling process…check that the rear to front ride height delta is still 5mm positive rake.

    My response to the second question was:
    The 5mm minimum recommendation is to help with the following key traits…;
    -Reduction in dive;
    -Reduction in squat;
    -Greater steering feel;
    -Stability at higher speeds especially in the wet;
    -Reduced wheel hop on FWD Golf in particular – this is not something we engineered for…we just noted it during a number of test runs on MK5 and MK6 Golfs and so the MK7 Golf;
    -Enhanced ride comfort though these new cars ride well so in any case we do not want to deteriorate the ride for any of our Streets or Sports;

    We noted the above back in 2011/2012 once I worked closely with Eibach. It all has to do with managing the onset of load transfer (not weight transfer which is frequently referred to on forums). We can use rake to great effect this way and the plus points are the above traits. Go too big a gap and you risk the nose sitting too low and looking silly. But anything from 5mm up to 10mm works well…12mm is about as far as you want to go…15mm+ makes car unpredictable in the wet.

    Basically, look at Hi Fi system and in particular in-car audio…it is all about illusion…if you have separate components then you set the following…;
    -HF (tweeters) to 2.5kHz @ 24dB slope;
    -Mid-woofer to 125Hz @ 12dB slope;
    -Subwoofer one octave lower to mid-woofers so 63dB @ 24dB works very well …bass appears upfront…pretty incredible to hear.

    Anyone in the car would be convinced there is a subwoofer upfront but trust me it really is all to do with illusions and how you manage the arrival of sound…you can use DSP and time delay also however nothing beats a well setup audio system using less noise inducing electronics… (for springs it is managing the onset of load transfer by allowing the springs to do greater amount of Compression and Rebound duty cycles).

    So basic and well understood principle from the car audio world but when applied to suspension…it works well. The challenge is knowing where to start…If you have ever heard a well setup Bose Accoustimass system at home…that is not too dissimilar to our products when setup as per our recommendation.
    As always, great information and explanation in your posts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ourlee View Post
    William and Greg,

    Thanks for a great product. I tested out my fully adjustable sport set on my TT and it’s as advertised. I did 60 miles on the highway and another hour ripping around my local lake roads. On the highway I was hoping for low NVH and no dartiness. This is my dd and I do tons of highway roadtrips. The car behaved solid and sporty but required zero extra steering correction vs OEM. A win. The back roads showed off confidence inspiring turn in. Never darty or unpredictable. You all can imagine my hilly lake roads. They’re lined with boulders, trees, blind turns and elevation changes. For the first time I could feel the rear suspension working. Can’t wait to start pushing a little now that the car is set up (rear sway next, possibly camber plates after) It’s a free playground as soon as I exit my property. MSS was built for this shit.
    Another change I noticed was how the springs reacted to my winter set up. I’m using GTI Austin rims and new Michelin Xice 225/45/18s. Before MSS, it felt like my tires were going to roll right off my scrawny rims (7.5” wide) when I pushed a little. I thought my tuner blew up the tires to some ridiculous poundage but he never touched them. Apparently the MSS is using the tire properly vs the OEM suspension bashing it into submission. I can actually enjoy the car, it’s no longer handicapped by the soft snow sidewall. This little surprise is saving me about $1200. I can keep the Austins and buy spacers instead of wider rims.

    Final test is SWMBO will be home tomorrow and take her maiden lake road trip to the gym. I’m halfway down for the rest of the winter, she won’t notice the height so her input will be interesting. She’s ridden in lots of tuned cars and lifted jeeps but is still a point a to b girl. If she thinks it sucks she’ll call me out. Make no mistake the ride is not as comfy as OEM but it’s still really good.

    Thanks again for the hard work getting these to market and big thanks to my tuner Billy. I can’t wait to go LOW with my summer 19s!

    Also, if you’re on the fence, feel free to meet up. If you’re not a crazy person, you can test drive my TT.

    Rick

    Finally, how did I forget to mention how great the car looks dropped? It looks serious.
    Thanks for the detailed feedback, much appreciated. On the sway bars, I will recommend not upgrading fronts so keep OE, chassis is plenty stiff - and on rear go easy so softest setup for now if adjustable.
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    William, I agree on rear only. Mossback suggests 034 as a better option than H&R. Just gotta save up for the links too
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    Quote Originally Posted by ourlee View Post
    William, I agree on rear only. Mossback suggests 034 as a better option than H&R. Just gotta save up for the links too
    Thanks for the honest feedback! The outcome was expected but it is highly valuable to hear where you notice the changes the most. I live in a similar area to you, so the effects are highly noticeable.

    The 034 Rear set to the softer setting will likely be all you need but don't think the rear is out yet? I'm not a fan of the H&R Bar. Links aren't needed, but I do like the new Street Density links from 034. I'd also consider their rear trailing arm too... that make a huge difference, might not even need the rear sway bar with that upgrade. Let me know, we are the NE 034Motorsport Distributor.

    Cheers.

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    Greg, sent you a pm but forgot to ask about the trailing arm. Details?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ourlee View Post
    Greg, sent you a pm but forgot to ask about the trailing arm. Details?
    Will follow up with a PM now.

    Thanks!

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    The suspension is in with the 034 Camber Plates... the winter setup has tall skinny tires (225/45R19) and the summer tires will be 3/4" shorter but wider (275/30R20). When the Summers are installed we'll make the final adjustments as the suspension should have settle by this time. I've ordered the 034 rear trailing arms as per XLR8 reps suggestion above, I'll install them next week with the 034 f&r subframe kits, IMS downpipe and mid pipes.

    It's winter and there is a lot of snow and ice on the roads but the car certainly feels more planted, I can't wait for spring to show up.


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    Greg talked me into the trailing arms too so please let us know what you think. I’m doing brakes first.
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    Brakes is close to the top of my list, PM sent!

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    Looking awesome Cale! Any more ice racing left this season?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 996CAB View Post
    #1 in the queue to receive a kit...

    Right and more feedback as I did a quick back-to-back drive against our Grey Roadster with Track Pack fitted.

    Audi MK3 TT-RS key points...;
    - great turn-in
    - firm but planted
    - quick however DSG even in Dynamic mode is a hindrance and holding that 5-pot back...needs a different gearbox map...this to me is the biggest issue with the MK3 TT-RS...I wish I knew how to re-program these boxes...honestly!

    Porsche Cayman S key points...;
    - steering is nicely weighted from get go and feels progressively weighted
    - nice ride comfort however NOT planted and feels a little nervous over rougher roads
    - surprisingly quick mainly due to that fantastic gearbox map...this, to me, is what sets Porsche engineers apart from the rest I guess...they clearly drive their cars during development...and I can just imagine the scenario where a ride engineer comes back to ask for 1/20th sec more RPM delay during gear changes...throttle response in any gear is snap instant...superb...!

    One thing I note with Porsche is that there is the usual Comfort (Drive in Porsche speak); Sports; Sports Plus then there is the 'Sports Response' button which simply sets engine map to super aggressive...nice on deserted B-roads or race tracks...basically, that mode feels more like driving a manual transmission...the hold of RPMs is so intuitive that you can just tell that map was done by a chassis engineer and not a software guy...I like that a great deal.

    Audi implementation of this is the Manual Mode...which is 'OK' however not great. Porsche also have the Manual Mode however the 'Sports Response' button does a far better job of judging when to hold RPM; drop to lower gear or higher gear...wizardry;

    Great engineering at play here...Audi concentrate on cabin build and electronics; Porsche concentrate on engine/gearbox responsiveness...damn! I want to work for these guys...might send in my CV
    In regards to the DSG programming, I believe 034 is working on a tune for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRZ06 View Post
    In regards to the DSG programming, I believe 034 is working on a tune for that.
    There are quite a few in development right now :) I just tuned the DSG in my MK7 TDi and it made such a huge difference in how the car corners, It literally downshifts when I want it to without me even doing it, pretty impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excelerate Rep View Post
    There are quite a few in development right now :) I just tuned the DSG in my MK7 TDi and it made such a huge difference in how the car corners, It literally downshifts when I want it to without me even doing it, pretty impressive.
    MK3 on track at weekend just gone.



    So I have done further test comparison of DSG vs. PDK on motorway and track. PDK is able to mimic manual transmission whereas DSG cannot.

    One area that PDK is a step forward from DSG is as follows...;
    1) Matching engine speed to current gear selected...;
    - One of the key reason I mapped my MK2 TT-RS was because it allowed me to stay in higher gear because of the increased torque so a 2nd gear corner could be taken in 3rd gear and still keep the rear axle under sufficient load for corner exit. Doing so saves one gearchange; keeps the vehicle stable; allows greater speed gain after corner exit before the next gearchange...my MK2 is set up sweet in that regard and is a joy to drive. PDK behaves in the same way but actually far more intuitive...it seemingly matches gearchange to engine speed and thus always able to maintain sufficient torque regardless of what gear it chooses...pretty clever for me...I really like this;

    The other great trait is correct gear selection...try this people...;
    - Get hold of a recent PDK equipped Porsche; leave engine mode in 'Normal' and get up to steady 50MPH then step on the accelerator by 1CM (10mm)...note what happens to the gear PDK selects;
    - Do the same in your DSG equipped Audi leaving engine in 'Comfort' mode and note what happens...;

    What I get is as follows...;
    - PDK instantly gets to the next lower gear to allow swift speed uptake with slight movement of the accelerator pedal;
    - DSG maintains current gear and thus speed uptake is not swift until the accelerator pedal has been pressed a good 2CM+ (20mm+);

    Same exercise but this time get from 50MPH to 70MPH. You will note that PDK gets you there quicker; smoothly; in lower gear and RPM will be maintained momentarily in anticipation that you may want to speed up above 70MPH and quickly again. DSG does none of these...it maintains same gear once you get to 70MPH and sits there in that higher gear so that the vehicle is not in the sweet torque spot that is needed in case you want to go above 70MPH. I also note that DSG uses more fuel behaving the way it does whilst PDK actually uses less fuel.

    When using DSG in Dynamic Sports Mode, the results improves a little however it is not as good as PDK in the 'Normal' mode yet PDK then has 3 more settings to sharpen gear selection/engine modes. It is a more intuitive; wider scope; efficient box that I am absolutely smitten by...worth buying the car just for that alone...!

    If DSG can be mapped to behave just like PDK then we are game to make good use of that 5-pot. But DSG is what is killing that 5-pot power...manual transmission in the MK2 does not suffer that same fate.

    The only singular/narrow-band occasion when DSG is 'useful' is when you bury the throttle on a nice long straight of say 2 miles plus...so in essence it is good for drag racing but not really useful for track use or on open roads when the bends gets tighter unless you engage manual mode and 'attempt' to match gearchange to engine speed as we attempted in the video above...you might as well have a manual transmission and do it properly.

    I like the MK3 TT-RS for many other reasons which are mostly function/comfort focused (keyless entry; start button; Virtual Cockpit; build quality; ride comfort in stock trim)...for the driving...my MK2 6-spd MT is still an absolute joy to drive followed in 2nd place by the PDK equipped Cayman S...sadly, either of the MK3 TT-RS (Coupe and Roadster) are a distant 3rd ONLY because of DSG being implemented inefficiently...what a shame and I hope to find a chassis engineer to get the box mapped correctly...software engineers need not bother get in touch, you messed it up first time round...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Excelerate Rep View Post
    Looking awesome Cale! Any more ice racing left this season?
    Thanks Greg, If my schedule allows and the weather cooperates I'm hoping so.

    Quote Originally Posted by 996CAB View Post
    MK3 on track at weekend just gone.
    Thanks again for the rundown William, always great reading.

    Got out to play in the fresh snow today, I wish I had got out earlier as all the good spots close to the house were tracked up and packed but I found a little to play in :)

    I need to start keeping a charged up GoPro in the car I did however talk the wifey into jumping out to take a couple pictures although she wasn't into capturing some video footage, just out and back in for her.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Cale262 View Post



    I need to invoice the town for my plowing services
    ...this made me chuckle...cheeky...and I like it!
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    I love what you did with this car Cale. Absolutely perfectly executed too. You need a drove that can GPS track your car when you're out driving. That way the wife can control from inside the car ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excelerate Rep View Post
    I love what you did with this car Cale. Absolutely perfectly executed too. You need a drove that can GPS track your car when you're out driving. That way the wife can control from inside the car ;)
    Thanks Greg, I am very happy with it so far!

    Well I have a few camera drones from DJI, Need to make a plan for the next snowfall. Drone and three or four GoPros setup on the car, my newest drone, Mavic Pro can follow the car via GPS or visual lock and is quite weather proof as long as the battery is 25*C @ takeoff. They don't allow drones over the ice track (insurance reasons) but I'm sure I can find another location...Sounds like a plan, now I just need the weather to cooperate. Car is in the shop tomorrow to install the catless downpipe and mid pipes from IROZ so we can really hear that 5 banger singing at the higher RPMs.

    I did have one question though, the rear brake upgrade to 356x20mm...where do I find this or is it a kit in the making?

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    Glad to hear and I look forward to any videos you can produce of this car. The soundtrack is really something we all look forward to ;)

    Send me a message about the rear braking upgrade. We can offer you a few different options.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excelerate Rep View Post
    Glad to hear and I look forward to any videos you can produce of this car. The soundtrack is really something we all look forward to ;)

    Send me a message about the rear braking upgrade. We can offer you a few different options.

    Thanks!
    Really want to get some good footage especially from above. As far as there rear brakes go, you have my attention and mail

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    Almost home from TAG with the Sport kit installed. 60 miles on the cruise back. Sideways movement feels better, less body roll. There is some noticeable harshness in the Dynamic setting. Normal setting doesn’t feel much different than stock though. I did stay conservative with the drop. 1/2” lower in front with the rear staying in the MSS ratio recommendation. Once the roads dry up, I can test these out a little bit more. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckster View Post
    Almost home from TAG with the Sport kit installed. 60 miles on the cruise back. Sideways movement feels better, less body roll. There is some noticeable harshness in the Dynamic setting. Normal setting doesn’t feel much different than stock though. I did stay conservative with the drop. 1/2” lower in front with the rear staying in the MSS ratio recommendation. Once the roads dry up, I can test these out a little bit more. :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckster View Post
    Almost home from TAG with the Sport kit installed. 60 miles on the cruise back. Sideways movement feels better, less body roll. There is some noticeable harshness in the Dynamic setting. Normal setting doesn’t feel much different than stock though. I did stay conservative with the drop. 1/2” lower in front with the rear staying in the MSS ratio recommendation. Once the roads dry up, I can test these out a little bit more. :)
    Thanks for the initial feedback Chuck! Looking forward to what you have to say as the springs settle in after 2,000 miles. Get to driving :)

    It gets better from here :)

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    Thanks Rick for sending me these photos to share. Looks awesome even in winter mode! Reporting only halfway down on the adjusters. Looking fantastic!


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    absolutely loving it. Dialing it in with summers in a few weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ourlee View Post
    absolutely loving it. Dialing it in with summers in a few weeks.
    Very happy to hear Rick. Cant wait to see it on the summers.


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    I’ll take more when I get her outside again.
    13 mm front drop. 8mm rear drop.
    (Kept rear 5mm higher than front per recommendation by MSS).

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    LOVE those wheels C.
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