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    B8 S4 S5 DIY: The 30 min crank pulley installation - go stage 2 or 2+ in a jiffy

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    DISCLAIMER: Dont work on your car yourself. You will hurt yourself and destroy your car. I am not responsible for you or your car. Also note this appears to work for most all solid crank pulleys such as JHM and Kustom Imports as well as the Fluidampr solution. It does not appear to work for the APR add on pulley. That one requires service position.
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    I decided to experiment with installing a larger crank pulley on the B8.5 S5 but this will also work the same for the Audi B8.5 S4. I wanted to see just how simple I could make it. I am documenting this method as the quickest way I see to get an overdrive/lightweight/aftermarket crank pulley on the car.

    This turned out to be much more simple than the supercharger pulley installation. I hope all the tuners will stop requiring the purchase of their proprietary supercharger pulley because this appears to be a much more hassle free way to go.

    First, the thing that took half the amount of time...getting together all the right tools. I had no idea what ones I would need so having these ready to go ahead of time is going to really save you.

    TOOLS:

    1. M10 12 point metric bit (aka, triple square). If you use the seat puller bits you may want a 13mm socket to use with a socket wrench to turn it.

    2. Low profile 3/8 Drive socket wrench

    3. T30 Torx Bit with 1/4 Drive Socket Wrench

    4. Generic surpentine belt wrench (for tensioners) with 16mm socket

    5. Dremel or metal file

    6. Whatever bit is required for fastening your new crank pulley bolts

    7. Torque wrench

    8. A medium sized nail you have sitting around or something like it. (for locking the tensioner in place)

    9. A big screwdriver for the belly pan bolts.


    STEPS:

    1. Raise the car using a safe method such as Race Ramps. Engage parking brake. Chock rear wheels. Double secure your lift using jack stands, blocks, a spare tire, whatever you usually use. Remove your belly pan using a screwdriver.


    2.

    Using the generic serpentine belt wrench and a 16mm socket, rotate the supercharger belt tensioner clockwise and lock it in place with a nail. Remove the supercharger belt. It slides right out.




    3.

    Using the T30 Torx Bit and 1/4 drive socket wrench unfasten the bolt on the bracket of the dual lower hard metal coolant lines. This allows you to move the coolant lines out of the way as you access the 16mm bolt on the main serpentine belt tensioner.



    4.

    Again using the generic serpentine belt wrench and a 16mm socket, rotate the main serpentine belt tensioner and remove the belt from the crank pulley pushing it to the rear of the crank pulley. Dont remove the entire belt. Just push it off the crank pulley.




    5.

    Mark the bottom of the stock crank pulley with something sharp or some white-out or whatever you normally use to mark up parts. This is going to save you a tremendous amount of time when you go to install your new crank pulley due to the crank pulley having a single (1) offset hole out of the eight (8) total holes.



    6.

    Using a low profile 3/8 drive socket wrench with your 12 point M10 metric bit, remove the eight (8) crank pulley bolts from your stock crank pulley. Once removed the crank pulley is sitting on about 3mm worth of hub in the center. Wiggle the crank pulley back and forth a bit and it will slide right off. You could bang it slightly with a rubber mallet but this wasnt necessary on mine that is 3 years old.




    7.

    Now line up your old stock crank pulley with your new crank pulley. Line them up so the offset hole is in the same place (orientation) on both pulleys. Now mark a reference point on your new crank pulley just like you did on your stock one.






    8.

    Slide on your new crank pulley and put in each of the eight (8) new bolts torquing them to 20 ft/lbs or whatever the aftermarket manufacturer specs.

    Make sure you have the main serpentine belt sitting behind the new crank pulley so that all you have to do is pull it back forward over the pulley once you have the new pulley on. Keep it wrapped around and to the rear of the pulley. Do this by just releasing it off the tensioner.

    Make sure you cross torque and go back and check a second time since the first ones may be a bit loose again.


    9.

    Grind/file down the metal thing that sticks out off of the block. Take 3mm off of it.



    10.

    Put the belts back on.

    Pull the main serpentine belt back up over the new crank pulley. It should be resting behind it if you oriented it behind it before you installed the new pulley.

    Thread your new supercharger belt onto the new crank pulley and supercharger pulley. Using the tensioner, slide it back on and then release the tensioner.




    11.

    Dont forget to fasten the hard coolant pipe bracket back into place with that T30 Torx bit.


    That's it. You're done. Put the belly pan back on and have some fun.

    Mike
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    wait a min.. i didn't know you had an S5 .. congrats... that A6 was outta there fast
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    get an a6 that you can't tune, and all of the sudden you are back to the S world. Welcome back.

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    So easy without service position?

    No issue with getting your hands in there or with belt routing ?
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    Seems that step #9 is out of order...and why do you have to grind that post?

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    thanks fellas. I fixed an order in there.


    yeah, the A6 is a nice car but I just wanted something a bit more sporty.


    No service position was needed. I've dealt with tighter spots. This is tight but definitely doable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S4'ed View Post
    Seems that step #9 is out of order...and why do you have to grind that post?
    You grind the mount down as it will interfere with the belt path with larger pulleys

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    Nice write up


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    Thanks for taking the time to write this up. I have a pulley showing up tomorrow and this DIY just convinced me to swap it in at home rather than taking it to a shop.

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    Cool. Let me know how long it takes you with all the tools ready.

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    +1 thanks a ton. People like you make the forums a better place. Wouldn't be anything without the dedicated DIY creators.


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    Awesome write up Mike! I was going to install my fluidampr adapter 183mm thus week. (I already have the main pulley installed) For that one would it be easier to go in from the top or bottom of the car? Sounds like I should grind that nub down too


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    Definitely the bottom. Tough to say if fluidamper will need grinding. Might not. Id do a test fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhvrdr View Post
    Definitely the bottom. Tough to say if fluidamper will need grinding. Might not. Id do a test fit.

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    Ok cool thanks. Need to get some ramps!


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    Cool, thanks for posting Mike.

    Can't you just cut a hole in the belly pan? No one will really notice.... Sorry man, I couldn't resist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jran76 View Post
    Cool, thanks for posting Mike.

    Can't you just cut a whole in the belly pan? No one will really notice.... Sorry man, I couldn't resist.

    hahaha, ..... I have no idea what your talking about and i'm sticking to that story. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbullin2 View Post
    +1 thanks a ton. People like you make the forums a better place. Wouldn't be anything without the dedicated DIY creators.
    I whole heartedly agree. Thanks for taking the time to post this DIY Mike!

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    Awesome! Subscribed, since I will be doing this in the next few months, hopefully on a lift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhvrdr View Post
    hahaha, ..... I have no idea what your talking about and i'm sticking to that story. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jran76 View Post
    What's the plan for tuning?
    Good question. It appears the car was actually tuned in the past since i found out it is td1. Don't ask how it got certified. Long story. But I do plan to find out at least who the tuner was and perhaps see if theyre somebody I'd like to go with again. I'm also fond of unitronic. We'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhvrdr View Post
    thanks fellas. I fixed an order in there.


    yeah, the A6 is a nice car but I just wanted something a bit more sporty.


    No service position was needed. I've dealt with tighter spots. This is tight but definitely doable.

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    Mike,

    What size pulley did you use? My installer had to pull the front bumper and put it in service position to do the install on mine. But I have a 186mm pulley. He said he had to use the idler pulley that came with the new crank pulley and that to remove the bolt for the idler pulley the car had to be put in service position. I think the bolt was too long to remove otherwise.
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    200mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhvrdr View Post
    200mm
    Hmm... I wonder why he had to change my idler pulley then.
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    I wonder if it was because people could only find certain belt sizes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhvrdr View Post
    I wonder if it was because people could only find certain belt sizes.

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    That shouldn't impact it that much. The tensioner pulley can pick up quite a bit of slack.

    I was under the impression both KI and FD pulleys were coming with smaller idlers if needed.
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    Mine is 200mm ki. Stock idler

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    Interesting, maybe Matt or Issam can jump in and confirm.

    Great tutorial BTW Mike.

    Not sure if it will help anyone but you can use a T25 to remove all the belly pan screws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhvrdr View Post
    Mine is 200mm ki. Stock idler
    That's really interesting. Mine is a KI 186mm and it came with a new idler pulley. Maybe the KI guys can explain.
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    Great write-up with pics Mike.

    Has anyone been able to I.D. what that knub is even there for?
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    Be interesting to look at the NA v6 versus our SC v6. Wonder if they have something mounted there. Looks like a bracket to hold something in place.

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    When we talk offset hole, are we taking offset from the center or slightly different spacing? I have a pulley here and there is zero difference on any hole from what I can see or measure with calipers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjw View Post
    When we talk offset hole, are we taking offset from the center or slightly different spacing? I have a pulley here and there is zero difference on any hole from what I can see or measure with calipers.
    One bolt hole should be a couple mm or so further out. It is hard to spot. See the original pics in this thread, the knife tip was pointing at the offset hole.

    My FD pulley had a couple x's or asterisks stamped on both sides of the offset hole to quickly identify.

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    Is it just me, or do the triple squares strip real easy? The m10 twelve point as u call it

    Bummed I can't use this method, I stripped one triple square

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    Quote Originally Posted by redlinerex View Post
    One bolt hole should be a couple mm or so further out. It is hard to spot. See the original pics in this thread, the knife tip was pointing at the offset hole.

    My FD pulley had a couple x's or asterisks stamped on both sides of the offset hole to quickly identify.

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    Awesome. I don't think mine has that.
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    Excellent write up! This is making me re-think my decision to not go dual pulley. And EPL's group buy has a week left...

    Also glad to see you back in a B8, you add a lot to this forum!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjw View Post
    Awesome. I don't think mine has that.


    Oem pulley has these dots. This is a b8.5 oem crank pulley btw. On the KI pulleys there's a very small punched dot designating the offset hole. I wouldn't even say it's a couple mm. Seems like maybe 1mm offset from pulley center.



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    For anyone wanting to go dual pulley ratio without changing out the supercharger pulley, this way is muuuuuuuch easier. You can do it on a lunch break. As far as weight is concerned. The KI 189mm is a bit lighter than the oem pulley. I'm curious how much the 200mm compares in weight to the oem pulley.


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    ^yup. It really only can be seen visually when you have a good reference point like a perfect circle to intersect the edges of all the holes or as above you can see in the photo above the wear marks from the crank pulley bolts come in contact with the center hub hole with the exception of one of them.

    I agree. its like 1mm. My KI pulley had a punch over the hole too. Matty was getting people sending them back thinking the holes were drilled incorrectly when in reality your average mechanic wouldnt likely have noticed the offset hole and just tried to put it on any which way.... dont do that :)


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