Poor man's chain rattle fix?

[roboto_1337]

So, I got to thinking as I've been getting some cold start rattles... really don't like it.

We have a process where I work where we have to bump a pump before starting it, in order to build pressure in the gearbox so it doesn't bitch the pump... Why wouldn't this work on our cars? So today before I drove in to work I "bumped" my car twice... basically not holding the key to the point of ignition, but still getting it to turn over and build oil pressure.

Needless to say, I experienced no rattle... I'm going to continue to experiment with this until I am able to perform some maintenance and get the car starting "quietly" .

This is experimental, so feel free to try it and comment as you see fit.

[Terry.Reese]

Might want to check out this thread.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...st-impressions

[roboto_1337]

thanks, I had read about the sump a while ago, however it did give me understanding of how the tensioners work. I am not a mechanic by any stretch, but it seems that failing check valves may be the source of my rattle, this at least allows me to prime the engine prior to starting. Very similar to the Accusump, but without the extra plumbing.

[tmh88]

Poor man's chain rattle fix?

Unfortunately the only cheap/hassle free fix is selling it and getting a different car. I'm at 112k miles with no chain rattle, but if/when it starts I'm letting it run into the ground. My car is worth like $10k on a good day, no way I'm putting half of its value into one single repair. I enjoy it, but it's just not that great of a car for how much they cost to keep running. I'd rather sell it and use that money towards leasing a new A4. The amount of money some of you dump into a 125k+ mile, 10 year old S4 astounds me.

[924Carrera]

Unfortunately the only cheap/hassle free fix is selling it and getting a different car. I'm at 112k miles with no chain rattle, but if/when it starts I'm letting it run into the ground. My car is worth like $10k on a good day, no way I'm putting half of its value into one single repair. I enjoy it, but it's just not that great of a car for how much they cost to keep running. I'd rather sell it and use that money towards leasing a new A4. The amount of money some of you dump into a 125k+ mile, 10 year old S4 astounds me.

Well you can certainly do anything you please but I don't see a new, automatic, 4 cylinder A4 providing the same level of enjoyment as a V8 S car. That's my personal feelings about it. The new ones look nice for sure, but I also love how my B6 looks.

[roboto_1337]

I agree. It's all accounted for in cost of ownership. I love that I can drive around and very rarely see other S4's in my town. I think that there's another B7 and 2 B8s. It's a very enjoyable drive, just gotta treat her real nice and pay to play.


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[tmh88]

Well you can certainly do anything you please but I don't see a new, automatic, 4 cylinder A4 providing the same level of enjoyment as a V8 S car. That's my personal feelings about it. The new ones look nice for sure, but I also love how my B6 looks.

Dude, come on. We all know that by modern standards the BHF engine is a huge pile of junk. It's weak, it's expensive to maintain, it consumes oil like a mother******, has terrible gas mileage, and to top it off the timing chains will eventually grenade the engine. The B6/B7 is S4 is not a fast car and it costs a stupid amount for any modifications, and bolt ons aren't going to provide any major improvements. The new A4 is just as quick, but I'm not even buying it for performance. I have other cars for that, my S4 has become my beater. I seem to be the only sane one around here who recognizes the car for what it is and enjoys it as such. If you want a fast car buy something else.

[924Carrera]

Dude, come on. We all know that by modern standards the BHF engine is a huge pile of junk. It's weak, it's expensive to maintain, it consumes oil like a mother******, has terrible gas mileage, and to top it off the timing chains will eventually grenade the engine. The B6/B7 is S4 is not a fast car and it costs a stupid amount for any modifications, and bolt ons aren't going to provide any major improvements. The new A4 is just as quick, but I'm not even buying it for performance. I have other cars for that, my S4 has become my beater. I seem to be the only sane one around here who recognizes the car for what it is and enjoys it as such. If you want a fast car buy something else.

Who says I don't recognize and enjoy the car for what it is? What it is NOT, is an investment. If you go into the ownership of any car (besides possibly a '57 Bel Air or '69 Camaro that you can restore and sell for massive profit) expecting it to be financially beneficial to you, you will be disappointed. Sure, the BHF has problems and the car can be frustrating to deal with, but it's still a fun car to drive...and the same massive depreciation that makes them a bad investment meant I got it for dirt cheap. Besides, I like older cars that I can work on myself, even if that's all I end up doing with them...provided they are fun to drive, which it is.

[tmh88]

What it is NOT, is an investment. If you go into the ownership of any car (besides possibly a '57 Bel Air or '69 Camaro that you can restore and sell for massive profit) expecting it to be financially beneficial to you, you will be disappointed..

I never once stated nor implied that. Nobody buys a Bel Air or old Camaro for performance. All of the money is put into the body and a clean engine bay, basically a show car. The only reason to buy a B6/B7 S4 over an A4 is the added performance. You'll never see the even close same performance benefit for what you have to spend on a B6/B7 S4 compared to other cars. Spending $10k in repair/upgrades to an S4 will leave you very disappointed compared to other cars. Spending $10k on something like a Mustang or CTS-V will easily get you to the mid 10's. Doing the same to an S4 means you might hit high 11's and then have to rebuild your heads a year from now, assuming the timing chains haven't destroyed your engine already.

Sure, the BHF has problems and the car can be frustrating to deal with, but it's still a fun car to drive...and the same massive depreciation that makes them a bad investment meant I got it for dirt cheap...provided they are fun to drive, which it is.

Maybe compared to a Civic or Camry. You guys need some driving time in other cars before you spend money on upgrades and crazy expensive repairs. I bought mine as a commuter car and it's been great for that. I love it for road trips (aside for the gas mileage), but man is it an ungraceful fatty in the corners, and I even have Bilstein coilovers on mine thanks to the previous owner. Judging by the amount some guys are spending on here I'm assuming it's viewed as being in modern Corvette territory.

[ak-s4]

Dude, come on. We all know that by modern standards the BHF engine is a huge pile of junk. It's weak, it's expensive to maintain, it consumes oil like a mother******, has terrible gas mileage, and to top it off the timing chains will eventually grenade the engine. The B6/B7 is S4 is not a fast car and it costs a stupid amount for any modifications, and bolt ons aren't going to provide any major improvements. The new A4 is just as quick, but I'm not even buying it for performance. I have other cars for that, my S4 has become my beater. I seem to be the only sane one around here who recognizes the car for what it is and enjoys it as such. If you want a fast car buy something else.

I doubt anyone cares, but:

-By modern standards the engine is still great. It has variable valve timing, dual plane intake and drive by wire. The car itself has traction and stability control. Many new cars have none of these things.
-The motor is not "weak" as a general statement, as there are people running NOS or superchargers without incident.
-It isn't expensive to maintain relatively speaking, as what is a couple thousand dollars here and there for a car that listed around $60k new? $350/month on a new car is $4,200/yr plus your credit takes a hit due to your required payments. Add in depreciation on a new car and TCO on an old S4 is pretty good all things considered.
-Neither of my two B6 S4s consumed any oil to speak of.
-Gas mileage would not be considered terrible given the V8, AWD, and weight of the car. Low 20s on the freeway is easy. Terrible would be 10MPG on the freeway.
-Timing guides are a weak point, but the fix is easy and well understood now. "will eventually grenade" is simply not true.
-The car is plenty fast. With a good clutch and launch control (or DIY), the car is pretty quick off the line and will land you in jail in a matter of seconds.
-Modifications for an NA car are always tricky, no news there. But for a few thousand dollars you can make some pretty nice improvements. "stupid amount for any modifications" is also just not really true. Comparing NA to chipping a turbo is just silly.
-A4 just as quick? Hmm, not sure under what circumstances you are talking about, but even then, to compare a car that is brand new to one that is 12+ years older is a pretty weak argument.
-I have a FWD 4 banger turbo that is barely worth $5k. From 45MPH and up it is significantly faster than the S4. But so what. What you're saying is let's just all go find the "perfect" car and then all will be right in the world? Well, the perfect car does not exist! (Well, maybe the VW Beetle at one time was the perfect car. Don't dare disagree....)

[Terry.Reese]

I agree. It's all accounted for in cost of ownership. I love that I can drive around and very rarely see other S4's in my town. I think that there's another B7 and 2 B8s. It's a very enjoyable drive, just gotta treat her real nice and pay to play.


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There is only 1 other B6 S4 in town. Ironically he lives 2 streets away from me.

[tmh88]

You guys are delusional. Just enjoy the S4 as a highway cruiser because that's all it's good for. It's not fast and never will be without more money poured into it than is considered sane. If you want a fast car look elsewhere, the B6/B7 S4 isn't it.

I doubt anyone cares, but:

-By modern standards the engine is still great. It has variable valve timing, dual plane intake and drive by wire. The car itself has traction and stability control. Many new cars have none of these things.
-The motor is not "weak" as a general statement, as there are people running NOS or superchargers without incident.

The stock motor is weak. It barely makes 340 crank horsepower for a V8. That's pathetic for a modern "performance" V8.

-It isn't expensive to maintain relatively speaking, as what is a couple thousand dollars here and there for a car that listed around $60k new?

A couple thousand several times is called being stupid, considering it doesn't cost even 1/6th of that nowadays.

-Neither of my two B6 S4s consumed any oil to speak of.

Anecdotal. Don't pretend like it isn't a widespread issue.

-Gas mileage would not be considered terrible given the V8, AWD, and weight of the car. Low 20s on the freeway is easy. Terrible would be 10MPG on the freeway.

Dude, really? The C7 Z06 makes 650 hp, 650 lb/ft and gets 29 mpg. Don't pretend like the BHF is even remotely close to that.

-Timing guides are a weak point, but the fix is easy and well understood now. "will eventually grenade" is simply not true.

Right, because it's not like most cars don't have a timing belt in the front....Super easy fix involving pulling the motor and only a minimum of $3k in parts assuming you do 100% of the work yourself. If you don't have a garage and the tools it's going to be a minimum of $5k+.

-The car is plenty fast. With a good clutch and launch control (or DIY), the car is pretty quick off the line and will land you in jail in a matter of seconds..

No, it's not. It might be quick compared to a Sonic or Malibu, but it is by no means fast.

-Modifications for an NA car are always tricky, no news there. But for a few thousand dollars you can make some pretty nice improvements. "stupid amount for any modifications" is also just not really true. Comparing NA to chipping a turbo is just silly.

That's nonsense. Stroking an LS engine will result in greater power gains than supercharging a BHF (on an already significantly more powerful engine) and for a fraction of the price.

-A4 just as quick? Hmm, not sure under what circumstances you are talking about, but even then, to compare a car that is brand new to one that is 12+ years older is a pretty weak argument.

I showed numbers, you don't seem to have any....

[roboto_1337]

This car is fast enough for me now.... I can throw the kids in the back if I need to, and it's a fun DD for me. Should hold up till I get my 996 Turbo, then I'll just wait for it to grenade and buy a new DD...


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[tmh88]

This car is fast enough for me now.... I can throw the kids in the back if I need to, and it's a fun DD for me. Should hold up till I get my 996 Turbo, then I'll just wait for it to grenade and buy a new DD...

Absolutely, it's great as it is. I love it for my daily needs. I'm referring to the guys who are spending stupid amounts of time and money trying to squeeze out power that's just not there nor sustainable. Go to another platform if you want speed.

[miamifan13]

Sounds like somebody in this thread doesn't enjoy his S4 like everyone else does theirs.

I had an '08 DTM S4 6mt which I bought with 63,000 miles on it. By 68,000 miles it was blowing smoke. I had to dump it. I got into an '07 335i 6mt coupe with 22k miles....absolute gem. Ever since I bought it I've done nothing but miss my S4. Sure...my 335i is much faster, better looking and gets way better gas mileage. But one thing it'll never be is a 4 door, AWD, V8 6mt sedan that sounds incredible (with exhaust) and pulls like crazy on the highway. I enjoyed my S4 in the summer with my summer tire setup...and then I enjoyed driving through the snow, like a boss, with my winter tire setup.

The mechanical sound of the motor along with the incredible exhaust note is impossible to replicate in almost any car today, let alone a daily driver AWD sedan that you can shift for yourself. If a newer A4 is comparable to someone, then that someone is totally missing the point. The S4/RS4 is an enthusiast's car. It's unique in many ways. I'm sure the newer Audis are better cars, but they are lesser cars at the same time.

I'm looking for a cherry S4/RS4. I'd prefer to drive it for the next decade. If it meant buying/building a 2nd motor on the side in the event the original motor lets go, so be it. AMortize it all over 10yrs, I might save money compared to the cost of my next favorite car.

[tmh88]

Sounds like somebody in this thread doesn't enjoy his S4 like everyone else does theirs. But one thing it'll never be is a 4 door, AWD, V8 6mt sedan that sounds incredible (with exhaust) and pulls like crazy on the highway

More like "somebody in this thread has experience with more cars than everyone else does". I'm just trying to convince OP not to dump money into a car that isn't worth it for expensive repairs, especially since he asked for a "poor man's fix". You even just said your 335i was better in literally every objective way....and yes, the 335 does come in a 4 door, AWD with a 6MT. Who cares about a V8 if this one in particular is junk to begin with? Put a JB4 tune on it for $500 and you will be blowing the doors off of RS4's. Hell, you'll get better results than supercharging an S4 with only a tune.

[miamifan13]

More like "somebody in this thread has experience with more cars than everyone else does". I'm just trying to convince OP not to dump money into a car that isn't worth it for expensive repairs, especially since he asked for a "poor man's fix". You even just said your 335i was better in literally every objective way....and yes, the 335 does come in a 4 door, AWD with a 6MT. Who cares about a V8 if this one in particular is junk to begin with? Put a JB4 tune on it for $500 and you will be blowing the doors off of RS4's. Hell, you'll get better results than supercharging an S4 with only a tune.

So you have experience with more cars than everyone else has??? And you know that how?? You lose all credibility right there bud. And then you say "Who cares about a V8?" Just stop.

[VinnysS4]

Just wanted to say that I love my s4. It doesn't drink oil at any rate. When I change the oil, there is the same amount as when I put it in there 5000 miles beforehand. I get an occasional chain rattle. Don't really care. Usually means I need to change the oil. Once I do, it goes away. If pulling an engine scares you, then maybe you should stick to baking little snicker doodles for your wife. If driving a pos 4 cyl civic with a fart can on it is your thing... more power to ya. If you know how to do stuff on your own car, it isn't as expensive as you'd think. I've driven many many cars and true, while a new zo6 has 650 hp... trying to compare a newer corvette (that's supercharged from the factory and costs $80,000) to the older generation s4 (which can be had for 1/8th that) in order to make it seem less of a car is dumb. I've driven corvettes. Whoopty do. A big ass engine stuffed into a car. Yes with cylinder deactivation it gets better gas mileage than the s4. I didn't buy my car for gas mileage. Btw.. I get 26mpg on the hwy. Not bad for a 11 year old V8. While my car was in the body shop, I had several different rental cars, including a brand new Nissan truck. I cant tell you how happy I was to get my car back. Nothing I drove came even close to making me smile as my S4 does.
Now don't you have some cookies to go bake?

[tmh88]

LOL, I have an S4 too. The sooner you realize it's not that great of a "performance" car the sooner you'll stop wasting money on it. Just accept it for what it is and enjoy it. If your timing chains decide to brick your engine, move on to something else unless you got it for REALLY dirt cheap. As far as performance, you're never going to see high 11 quarters without spending a stupid amount of time and money, and for what you spent you could be running 10's on another platform for much less.

So you have experience with more cars than everyone else has??? And you know that how??

Because anyone who has driven a car with a decent V8 like the LS motors, much less worked on one, knows that the BHF has pathetic power output and reliability. You'll never squeeze out 500 whp reliably from one without $15k of parts and supporting components. Hell, it still won't be reliable, but you might be able to make 500 whp.

You lose all credibility right there bud. And then you say "Who cares about a V8?" Just stop.

Oh, I see. A macho man. "Grrrr, V8 or it doesn't count!!!!!" On the low end the N54 (335i which you have) will obliterate a BHF with only a tune. In the grand scheme, the GT-R and 911 would like to have a word with you. It's not even fair to compare the BHF to them, even in the RS4/R8.

[REVOofRustler]

tmh88, since a C7Z is apparently the benchmark for any enthusiast car, can you point me in the direction of an AWD manual wagon that's on that same level?

[tmh88]

tmh88, since a C7Z is apparently the benchmark for any enthusiast car, can you point me in the direction of an AWD manual wagon that's on that same level?

LOL, performance wagon is an oxymoron. There's a reason why so few are sold in the states, but here you go

[ak-s4]

I'm really not going to go too far on a tit for tat on this topic, as it seems we've both made our minds up. But I will say the 2005 Corvette only made 400HP out of a 6.0L V8. But that doesn't mean it's junk. It does what it was designed to do at the time. Would we say the C7 Z06 is junk compared to the 707HP Hellcat? Well you could, but that's just trash talking. Both are fine pieces of machinery with their advantages and disadvantages.

Also, 29MPG on a RWD car designed to be very light and aerodynamic is not a legitimate comparison to an AWD Audi...

[REVOofRustler]

LOL, performance wagon is an oxymoron. There's a reason why so few are sold in the states, but here you go

CTS Vs are nice for sure, but they still aren't AWD. You can hate on S4s all you want, but there's still something to be said about a car that'll go wherever you need it to in whatever weather and still be able to put a smile on your face.

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[tmh88]

I'm not hating on the S4, I'm telling it like it is. You guys are over inflating it to be some kind of cheap, fast and reliable car for the regular man when it's none of those. It's not fast for what you're paying, it has well documented engine issues, it's not easy to fix and it's expensive to maintain. When they were new there was less competing with it, but it's 10+ years old now and most are high mileage with a lot of issues. My advice is if you really want one, find one really cheap and have the timing service done. If you spend $10k on one now, you're going to spend another $10k over your ownership.

I'm really not going to go too far on a tit for tat on this topic, as it seems we've both made our minds up. But I will say the 2005 Corvette only made 400HP out of a 6.0L V8.

It also made 400 lb/ft of torque and doesn't suffer from any major issues like the BHF's timing chains and major oil consumption. It can also reliably handle forced induction (for about half the price) putting down 550+ whp without having to upgrade the clutch, heads, exhaust, wheels, or any other supporting components.

Also, 29MPG on a RWD car designed to be very light and aerodynamic is not a legitimate comparison to an AWD Audi...

Why not? The RS7 manages 25 mpg with AWD and 600+ hp.

[924Carrera]

Absolutely, it's great as it is. I love it for my daily needs. I'm referring to the guys who are spending stupid amounts of time and money trying to squeeze out power that's just not there nor sustainable. Go to another platform if you want speed.

This quote captures the essence of our disagreement. At no point have I made any effort to squeeze additional power out of my S4. It happens to have a catback exhaust (extremely minimal gains) that was on it when I bought it, and contributes to nice sound. I'm not looking for speed. You keep bringing up things like 10 second quarter miles. I don't drag race my S4. I'm not INTERESTED in drag racing it. Some guys are interested and do. I enjoy it for its well-appointed interior, styling that I find appealing, smooth driving characteristics, and the 340 horsepower, which, for a relatively small 4.2 liter engine, isn't as bad as you keep claiming. It's not great as a track car either due to its weight and inherent understeer due to the powertrain arrangement...but I don't track my car either, and would probably choose something like a beater E36 for that purpose.

If I was dumping thousands into the car in an attempt to beat some sort of speed record and was too blind to realize that it was a poor platform for this purpose, then I would indeed be the fool. But what I have is a greatly enjoyable car that I can cram my buddies or camping gear into and go drive around scenic roads, enjoying rowing through the gears and listening to the V8. I can throw winter tires on it and go out in the snow without concern because of all the parts of the car, the all wheel drive system is probably one of the most solid. And I got all that for less than the price of a new Kia. I don't have the money for a C7Z or a CTS-V or any of these other dramatically more expensive cars that you have mentioned. That doesn't mean I think they are inferior...just not in my comparison range.

In the end, you can surely do whatever you please. You can buy a Gallardo or a Ford Raptor, I don't really care, but to make it sound like those who enjoy their S4's are blind morons, is unnecessary.

[mace115]

Everyone justifies their spending by their own means. I've seen some pretty awful cars get piles of money thrown at them to make them fast. But who am I to judge someone else's passion for that car.

Everyone enjoys their cars for different reasons. I own a Corvette alongside my s4. Both are amazing cars for different reasons. Both are fast enough, i'm not trying to shatter 1/4 mile times. If I was then I would build/buy a car to do just that.

I'd say a majority if not all users on the forum know about common issues, how much it costs, and what they are getting into. With reading a couple diy's and $1,500 you can replace the timing components yourself which many people have done (one of them is graciously among us). Sure not everyone may be capable or have to tools to do this but they should know this prior to buying the car.

The level of cheap and easy to maintain is variable based on your situation. I love doing all my own work to my cars and it also saves me a lot of money. I know for me the cost for parts associated with maintaining my car is not ridiculous but that is my own opinion based on my situation.

I agree with every word from 924Carrera. The s4 is great for what it is and I enjoy driving mine every day. If someone wants to spend their money to keep it alive or make it faster then I leave that to them as that's not my decision to make.

[ak-s4]

Got a friend who has to drive about 30 miles each way to work and he bought a new Subaru sedan a couple years back. NA 4 banger with CVT, AWD. I will say it has many advantages over my S4. But also many disadvantages! Short story is: no way he'd ever buy an S4, and no way I'd ever buy a Subaru. Will NEVER happen. Everyone has their pet peeves and things they like. We aren't going to agree.

But I still have to say the bashing on the B6 S4 is generally undeserved. As a complete package, it's a great AWD car. And in all fairness if you don't ever drive in foul weather, then sure, get something else. I'm pretty confident if I lived in sunny California I'd not have bought the S4. Old muscle car with a blower and scoop poking through the hood guaranteed...

[Coachoh]

New here - Coming from a '11 wrx to a '04 S4 as of tomorrow evening and couldn't be more excited to get out of the Subaru. The timing chain is off by a tooth, pulling the motor this weekend and getting this thing done. With that said every car has its pros and cons when it comes to mechanics and repair costs. I'll take the quick grand to bring a historically solid brand car up to speed than praying every time I rip it in my stage 2+ wrx that I don't fry the o-rings.

[Velox]

Damn TMH88 you and my wife would be best girlfriends, bitching about spending to much money/time on a car, not understanding what's fun about it etc

[VinnysS4]

ROFL

[VroomTT]

Well, this thread took quite a turn huh?

[S4UCEY]

LOL, hilarious. Everyone has their preferences, and going on and on to forum filled with guys who happen to like the car you are bashing, gives you the appearance of being insane. Not the other way around unfortunately. If you think the S4 is just a DD and whatever else you said, use it for that and be done with it. Let the rest of us crazies spend as much time and money on a car we love in peace!

Damn TMH88 you and my wife would be best girlfriends, bitching about spending to much money/time on a car, not understanding what's fun about it etc

[tmh88]

It's cool, I get it. You guys need to justify your poor spending choices by ragging on me for trying to bring some sense to the table. When you eventually move onto another platform because your S4 bricks itself, you'll realize how outdated and underperforming of a platform it really is. Once you drive some real cars you'll realize what you're missing out on. Until then, enjoy spending $5k+ to fix timing chains on any other car that would only cost a few hundred dollars. In the meantime, I'll keep on driving my S4 as my beater and my GT-R as my "fun car", and later pick up something more reliable once my S4 decides to inevitably destroy itself.

[Mr. Corey]

LOL, hilarious. Everyone has their preferences, and going on and on to forum filled with guys who happen to like the car you are bashing, gives you the appearance of being insane. Not the other way around unfortunately. If you think the S4 is just a DD and whatever else you said, use it for that and be done with it. Let the rest of us crazies spend as much time and money on a car we love in peace!

+1

By today's standards yeah you can argue why spend the time and money fixing a 12 year old car that makes the same power or even less than a 4 cylinder. I've had my S4 for nine years and every time I turn the key i get excited like a kid on Christmas morning! Interior, sound and timeless styling have kept me coming back.

[The Guvna]

tmh88 - you are bashing something many people consider their pride and joy, and then wonder why people get butt hurt. You are coming across as an asshole. We get it, you are an expert on cars and disagree with people making a choice to spend their money on their pride and joy.

[tmh88]

tmh88 - you are bashing something many people consider their pride and joy, and then wonder why people get butt hurt. You are coming across as an asshole. We get it, you are an expert on cars and disagree with people making a choice to spend their money on their pride and joy.

I'm not bashing their pride and joy. I'm telling them don't spend an absurd amount of money on "upgrades" or fixing it when it's cheaper just to move on to something else that's more modern and higher performing. If your S4 is running fine, awesome, mine is too, just enjoy it. However, if you're looking at $5k+ of repairs on a car that's already at 125k+ miles and not worth much more, you're making a horrible decision.

I would totally buy another low mileage B6/B7 S4 if they exist, but for the right price of course.

The B6/B7 S4 was awesome 5-10 years ago. It's extremely average nowadays and stupidly expensive to fix. You guys are delusional if you think the repair costs are acceptable for what you get in return. If you're thinking about dumping $5k-10k into your S4, go drive a JB4 335xi or CTS-V and pretend like the S4 even registers in your mind afterward.

[DarrenOman]

He really is being an asshole. I started reading the post yesterday and can not believe you are still discussing the same thing. Give it a rest already.
Who cares what people spend there money on, as long as it makes them happy.
If the S4 isnt your thing then move on, but stop preaching and trying to force your opinion, we do not care for all the nagativity on the site.
We are enthusiasts that enjoy spending money on our cars.

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[tmh88]

I started reading the post yesterday and can not believe you are still discussing the same thing. Give it a rest already.

Yet here you are adding to the discussion...

We are enthusiasts that enjoy spending money on our cars.

I can see that. You guys like spending A LOT of money that doesn't provide much in return.

[QIKRNU]

Why do you care?

[JayDog747]

WooHoo! I'm #40! Let's start a new page! I need to get my ring count up!

I've been here longer than my sig states and these thread diversions always come up. TMH88 shove a tampon in it already.

BTW, did you guys see the trailer hitch thread in the B7A4 section?