C7 S6/S7 RS7 4.0T 1/4 Mile Database

**kouzman** · 02-09-2017 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by low-profile

You guys are making me want to trade up to the RS7...already. Nice run! March 5th at E-town they have a t-n-t. Let me know if you are interested in going.

i will probably be there the week after if I remember the dates correctly for the import vs domestic.

**DGVR6** · 02-09-2017 03:29 PM

Yea I'll probably be there for import vs domestics with a few mopar friends

**saxon** · 02-09-2017 05:11 PM

Finally a sticky!

**low-profile** · 02-09-2017 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by kouzman

i will probably be there the week after if I remember the dates correctly for the import vs domestic.

Originally Posted by DGVR6

Yea I'll probably be there for import vs domestics with a few mopar friends

Precisely why I want to go the week before. Hope you guys do well.

Anyone have a video link to 3rdBNCC's run? Would love to watch that pass.

**DGVR6** · 02-09-2017 05:15 PM

There's always spring show n go, that's always a pretty nice event. It's actually gotten better over the years

Video

**SubaruSTI8** · 02-09-2017 07:32 PM

Finally new york crew can assemble LOL!

Awesome run in that RS7

**low-profile** · 02-10-2017 04:56 PM

^^^Looking forward to meeting up with you guys.

Thanks for posting vid. These cars amaze me, so smooth getting off the line.

Nice job driving! You timed when to start brake boosting perfectly. Nose just started to lift when you released the brake.

**3rdBNCC** · 02-11-2017 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by low-profile

Thanks for posting vid. These cars amaze me, so smooth getting off the line.

Nice job driving! You timed when to start brake boosting perfectly. Nose just started to lift when you released the brake.

Thanks... Launching at or around 2,300 rpm is definitely the sweet spot for my car. In every good run I have had, the videos show that subtle lift and then gone...

But it just goes to show what a difference a day makes. Went back out to OSW last night with another member in his RS7 and neither of us ever got traction. I only managed a best of 10.6x @ 134 and never cut a good 60'.

Everyone agreed last night, my car has a 10.2x in it so I have to keep trying lol.

**tke344** · 02-14-2017 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by smilton

I suspect high EGTs are what make the tuners press so hard for down pipes with stage II software. Since all of the stage I tunes produce about the same power they are all trying to stay below roughly the same target metrics -- I too am curious what those numbers are and if the stock down pipes are perhaps being sold short of their potential. I'm not saying I'd want to run such a hot tune daily but occasional 1/4 passes it could be a possibility.

I'm very curious of this as well. It seems that EGTs are highest at 14.7 AFR, tuners likely lean out the mixture a bit for power but running too lean is when engines blow... so downpipes or not they need to maintain a margin of safety. Optimal timing supposedly lowers EGTs, so as long as the engine isn't knocking this should be a positive. Higher octane fuel also increases EGTs so this is where I'd be cautious if running the stock DPs. To me, it sounds like the most cost effective upgrade path for an S6/S7 is the OEM RS7 turbos and a custom tune. Seems just silly to spend 2k on downpipes when you can get some used or rebuilt RS7 units for ~2500-3000. Hp/dollar its just a no brainer.

**Ze_Nardo6** · 02-14-2017 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by tke344

Seems just silly to spend 2k on downpipes when you can get some used or rebuilt RS7 units for ~2500-3000. Hp/dollar its just a no brainer.

Although the upgraded turbos would undoubtedly add more power than aftermarket DPs, it seems from all who have purchased the DPs that they have experienced nice gains in low/mid range torque. And IMO, that low/mid range increase is most coveted for everyday driving. Swapping the turbos, you lose some of that but while gaining significant top end. That's not everyone's end game as that power would most be enjoyed at the track or for highway pulls. In conclusion, I would venture to say the route one decides to go would depend on their goals/usage of their car.

**3rdBNCC** · 02-18-2017 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by AudiS4B8

Although the upgraded turbos would undoubtedly add more power than aftermarket DPs, it seems from all who have purchased the DPs that they have experienced nice gains in low/mid range torque. And IMO, that low/mid range increase is most coveted for everyday driving. Swapping the turbos, you lose some of that but while gaining significant top end. That's not everyone's end game as that power would most be enjoyed at the track or for highway pulls. In conclusion, I would venture to say the route one decides to go would depend on their goals/usage of their car.

Not to dispute what you are saying because I agree but in my case, I have STOCK turbos and only trapped a 1/2 of a mph less than the upgraded turbo car. A lot of money was dumped into that car and only to be bettered by a car that basically only upgraded the tune, DPs and intake. $ to $ I don't think the turbo upgrade offered makes any sense whatsoever right now. Just my opinion

**Ze_Nardo6** · 02-18-2017 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by 3rdBNCC

Not to dispute what you are saying because I agree but in my case, I have STOCK turbos and only trapped a 1/2 of a mph less than the upgraded turbo car. A lot of money was dumped into that car and only to be bettered by a car that basically only upgraded the tune, DPs and intake. $ to $ I don't think the turbo upgrade offered makes any sense whatsoever right now. Just my opinion

I was referring to S cars upgrading to RS turbos, not RS cars upgrading to TTE turbos. I would agree with you in that regard

**kouzman** · 02-18-2017 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by 3rdBNCC

Not to dispute what you are saying because I agree but in my case, I have STOCK turbos and only trapped a 1/2 of a mph less than the upgraded turbo car. A lot of money was dumped into that car and only to be bettered by a car that basically only upgraded the tune, DPs and intake. $ to $ I don't think the turbo upgrade offered makes any sense whatsoever right now. Just my opinion

To give this car the benefit of the doubt, i would like to see it run under better conditions and only to very high temps and a bad DA.

Nevertheless, the times tou ran with your car are absolutely mental! And the almost 135mph trap simple insane! Congrats!

**3rdBNCC** · 02-18-2017 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by AudiS4B8

I was referring to S cars upgrading to RS turbos, not RS cars upgrading to TTE turbos. I would agree with you in that regard

Sorry brother. Misunderstood you.

**3rdBNCC** · 02-18-2017 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by kouzman

To give this car the benefit of the doubt, i would like to see it run under better conditions and only to very high temps and a bad DA.

Nevertheless, the times tou ran with your car are absolutely mental! And the almost 135mph trap simple insane! Congrats!

Thanks Kouzman. On the 104 file my car has run a 134.x trap nearly every time. Not to say that's been a lot of times but at least 6 or 8. Been hard for me to get my hands on fuel where I live lol.

The APR car, if I am not mistaken is from Orlando, which where I take my car to race. Although I do not know what the DA was that night, I do remember someone coming up to me and saying "imagine what that car would have done with a better DA tonight". Maybe not directly apples to apples but at least the two cars are from the same area.

The point is, I am sure that the upgraded turbo car is faster than mine, it would have to be but at such a high expense to get such little return? I just don't see it, at least not that setup...

**MikeDwerks** · 02-19-2017 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by tke344

I'm very curious of this as well. It seems that EGTs are highest at 14.7 AFR, tuners likely lean out the mixture a bit for power but running too lean is when engines blow... so downpipes or not they need to maintain a margin of safety. Optimal timing supposedly lowers EGTs, so as long as the engine isn't knocking this should be a positive. Higher octane fuel also increases EGTs so this is where I'd be cautious if running the stock DPs. To me, it sounds like the most cost effective upgrade path for an S6/S7 is the OEM RS7 turbos and a custom tune. Seems just silly to spend 2k on downpipes when you can get some used or rebuilt RS7 units for ~2500-3000. Hp/dollar its just a no brainer.

I have held the same belief and would like to see tuning available that supported RS7 turbo's with stock down pipes. BUT to say that $2K-$3K is all that is needed to run the RS7 turbo's is not exactly correct, there is most likely cooling cost upgrades that are associated with the RS7 turbo's that are being left out of your equation of HP/dollar comparison. Only proven system, not counting meth injection, is the AMS system at $3K.

If one wants to use the RS7 as the exapmple for a modification path for an S6/S7, the turbo's and cooling would be needed. With the larger turbo's, Audi left the downpipes alone, but beefed up the cooling significantly.

The whole down pipe thing is simply just tuners catering to the masses, which I understand. They will find a far larger customer base who will install downpipes and flash a new tune than they will customers that will do a turbo swap and add in a new cooling system. There is a line that huge part of this market simply won't cross, and I think the cooling system is that line. Downpipes are a fairly straight forward item, directly replaces the factory units. RS7 turbos, a fairly straight forward item, directly replace the factory units... but the cooling system, such as the AMS, is a different animal.

**Ze_Nardo6** · 02-19-2017 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by MikeDwerks

I have held the same belief and would like to see tuning available that supported RS7 turbo's with stock down pipes. BUT to say that $2K-$3K is all that is needed to run the RS7 turbo's is not exactly correct, there is most likely cooling cost upgrades that are associated with the RS7 turbo's that are being left out of your equation of HP/dollar comparison. Only proven system, not counting meth injection, is the AMS system at $3K.

If one wants to use the RS7 as the exapmple for a modification path for an S6/S7, the turbo's and cooling would be needed. With the larger turbo's, Audi left the downpipes alone, but beefed up the cooling significantly.

The whole down pipe thing is simply just tuners catering to the masses, which I understand. They will find a far larger customer base who will install downpipes and flash a new tune than they will customers that will do a turbo swap and add in a new cooling system. There is a line that huge part of this market simply won't cross, and I think the cooling system is that line. Downpipes are a fairly straight forward item, directly replaces the factory units. RS7 turbos, a fairly straight forward item, directly replace the factory units... but the cooling system, such as the AMS, is a different animal.

And that is quite unfortunate, IMO. We need more cooling options

**DGVR6** · 02-19-2017 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by AudiS4B8

And that is quite unfortunate, IMO. We need more cooling options

What about killer chiller?

**tke344** · 02-20-2017 06:41 AM

I run a small amount of methanol on my 335i simply for cooling purposes. It does better than any of the aftermarket air-air intercoolers available for the platform. Granted, the plumbing is a lot easier to work with on the 335i - tap the charge pipe or use an aftermarket unit with pre-installed bungs. with straight -30 deg washer fluid with the line tapped directly off the washer tank itself (built in low fluid sensor) keeps IATs at close to ambient temp. The entire cost of the setup was under 400$ and my own time for installation. You can pay a little more for a progressive setup or even port injection but it's safe as long as you don't tune for kill mode. Just relying on the setup for cooling won't break anything, worst case you'll heat soak if it stops flowing. What I wouldn't be comfortable with is running meth as a fuel to increase octane. Although I do feel like you could probably run a stock turbo stg 2 tune (for the S6/7 guys)

Also a couple gallons of E85 are great for keeping cylinder temps down, the extra volume needed to hit AFR targets (plus the octane boost) makes IATs less relevant.

**Chris Morales** · 02-21-2017 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by 3rdBNCC

Thanks Kouzman. On the 104 file my car has run a 134.x trap nearly every time. Not to say that's been a lot of times but at least 6 or 8. Been hard for me to get my hands on fuel where I live lol.

The APR car, if I am not mistaken is from Orlando, which where I take my car to race. Although I do not know what the DA was that night, I do remember someone coming up to me and saying "imagine what that car would have done with a better DA tonight". Maybe not directly apples to apples but at least the two cars are from the same area.

The point is, I am sure that the upgraded turbo car is faster than mine, it would have to be but at such a high expense to get such little return? I just don't see it, at least not that setup...

The upgraded turbo car ran in Montgomery, Alabama: https://www.goapr.com/media/videos/P...7/5i2yK0FxQO0/

You can calculate your DA for the time you ran here: http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-...calculator.php

I'm cautious about comparing times and speeds from tracks across the country. You do have some great numbers and obviously run at a very well prepped track, but unless the cars are on the same track at the same time, you're basically just comparing dyno numbers.

**3rdBNCC** · 02-21-2017 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Chris Morales

The upgraded turbo car ran in Montgomery, Alabama: https://www.goapr.com/media/videos/P...7/5i2yK0FxQO0/

You can calculate your DA for the time you ran here: http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-...calculator.php

I'm cautious about comparing times and speeds from tracks across the country. You do have some great numbers and obviously run at a very well prepped track, but unless the cars are on the same track at the same time, you're basically just comparing dyno numbers.

Thanks for correcting my assumption about the track his run was on and I totally agree with what you are saying.

Also, thanks for the calculator: The DA calculated was 1256

**cobrario** · 02-22-2017 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by Chris Morales

The upgraded turbo car ran in Montgomery, Alabama: https://www.goapr.com/media/videos/P...7/5i2yK0FxQO0/
I'm cautious about comparing times and speeds from tracks across the country. You do have some great numbers and obviously run at a very well prepped track, but unless the cars are on the same track at the same time, you're basically just comparing dyno numbers.

While you are correct about the many variables from track to track/region to region that car had some serious weight reductions as well: " All the seats are out with the exception of a Tecnocraft carbon fiber driver’s seat" APR states. Bottom line for me is 3rdBNCC's car is a beast relative to anything else out there, no matter what mods it has.

**ericw.** · 02-28-2017 10:48 PM

Bumping this in hope of some new Stage 1 EPL ECU+TCU S6/7 time slips.. ?
Based on the doc from the OP (thanks op!) their stage 1 ecu+tcu file is only beating stock. Anyone able to chime in with different results?

**3rdBNCC** · 02-28-2017 11:53 PM

Going to OSW again tonight. Running GT260+ again to see if I can beat my best time. Car seems to like the Sunoco fuel better than MS109.

Will post videos if I have a good night.

**Ze_Nardo6** · 03-01-2017 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by ericw.

Bumping this in hope of some new Stage 1 EPL ECU+TCU S6/7 time slips.. ?
Based on the doc from the OP (thanks op!) their stage 1 ecu+tcu file is only beating stock. Anyone able to chime in with different results?

I'll have those numbers in a few months, unfortunately.

**Chris@EPL** · 03-01-2017 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by ericw.

Bumping this in hope of some new Stage 1 EPL ECU+TCU S6/7 time slips.. ?
Based on the doc from the OP (thanks op!) their stage 1 ecu+tcu file is only beating stock. Anyone able to chime in with different results?

Well we only have 2 stage 1 cars up there. One has been battling injector/plug/coil packs with the dealer and the other at the track had a trans code and issues with LC. Turns out the dealer never did the 35k DSG Fluid and filter change. And he still had a 116MPH trap with a slower ET than posted. 116MPH with no LC and shifting issues sounds like a strong tune.

And our Stage 2 time was the only run he got that day and he still has more in that car.

**ericw.** · 03-01-2017 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by Chris@EPL

Well we only have 2 stage 1 cars up there. One has been battling injector/plug/coil packs with the dealer and the other at the track had a trans code and issues with LC. Turns out the dealer never did the 35k DSG Fluid and filter change. And he still had a 116MPH trap with a slower ET than posted. 116MPH with no LC and shifting issues sounds like a strong tune.

And our Stage 2 time was the only run he got that day and he still has more in that car.

Thanks for the explanation Chris! You guys need to get some time slips up here. These results aren't a good look for EPL and a time slip doesn't give an explanation. It's making it difficult to commit with this floating around.

Imo cars with issues shouldn't submit time slips. People are looking at this to see what mods produce power and those times aren't an accurate example if what you say is true.

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**Chris@EPL** · 03-01-2017 08:14 AM

No they do not belong on the list. The stage 2 does as that was a great time and he will probably go even faster this spring.

**ericw.** · 03-01-2017 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Chris@EPL

No they do not belong on the list. The stage 2 does as that was a great time and he will probably go even faster this spring.

Yeah your stage 2 time is a competitive time..

...but then you've got animals like DGVR6 apparently using his good driver mods (r/t .311 is giving you away @DVGR6 !) to toast the majority of stage 2 times with his stage 1 93oct APR and roc euro intake.. lol

Anyone know anything about the 2017 APR Summer sale? My resources are coming up empty handed on a date. Hopefully their new CEO didn't do away with sales all together!

**Ze_Nardo6** · 03-01-2017 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by ericw.

Yeah your stage 2 time is a competitive time..

...but then you've got animals like DGVR6 apparently using his good driver mods (r/t .311 is giving you away @DVGR6 !) to toast the majority of stage 2 times with his stage 1 93oct APR and roc euro intake.. lol

Anyone know anything about the 2017 APR Summer sale? My resources are coming up empty handed on a date. Hopefully their new CEO didn't do away with sales all together!

His times are absolutely nuts for stage 1!! But I recall the DA being ridiculous as well (-1000 or something?)

**ericw.** · 03-01-2017 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by AudiS4B8

His times are absolutely nuts for stage 1!! But I recall the DA being ridiculous as well (-1000 or something?)

He's in NY so that would be very similar DA to my location I'd imagine. Same altitude and similar climate during the right time of year (late Fall and early Spring). Sonoma Raceway was water front property this winter. lol

**LO KAL ViSUAL** · 03-01-2017 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by ericw.

Bumping this in hope of some new Stage 1 EPL ECU+TCU S6/7 time slips.. ?
Based on the doc from the OP (thanks op!) their stage 1 ecu+tcu file is only beating stock. Anyone able to chime in with different results?

Originally Posted by Chris@EPL

Well we only have 2 stage 1 cars up there. One has been battling injector/plug/coil packs with the dealer and the other at the track had a trans code and issues with LC. Turns out the dealer never did the 35k DSG Fluid and filter change. And he still had a 116MPH trap with a slower ET than posted. 116MPH with no LC and shifting issues sounds like a strong tune.

And our Stage 2 time was the only run he got that day and he still has more in that car.

I just came home from Sacramento Raceway. This is my first time at the track with Stage 1 EPL tcu/tune on CA 91 "knocktane" map and everything else is stock.

2017
Audi S6
EPL ECU Stage 1
EPL TCU
Gas 91 octane
DA I'm not sure, lol

Chris, I need that 93 or 100 octane map. I think I can hit 11.3-4 :)

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**ericw.** · 03-01-2017 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by LO KAL ViSUAL

I just came home from Sacramento Raceway. This is my first time at the track with Stage 1 EPL tcu/tune on CA 91 "knocktane" map.

Chris, I need that 93 or 100 octane map. I think I can hit 11.3-4 :)

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Nice time!

Don't forget the fine details. ;)

Originally Posted by saxon

For this we need:
year
make
model
ecu tune
tcu tune
stage
file
fuel
misc mods
d/a
date
timeslip

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**LO KAL ViSUAL** · 03-01-2017 11:13 PM

[QUOTE=ericw.;12243416]Nice time!

Don't forget the fine details. ;)

Fixed.

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**pez81** · 03-02-2017 04:12 AM

Originally Posted by LO KAL ViSUAL

I just came home from Sacramento Raceway. This is my first time at the track with Stage 1 EPL tcu/tune on CA 91 "knocktane" map and everything else is stock.

2017
Audi S6
EPL ECU Stage 1
EPL TCU
Gas 91 octane
DA I'm not sure, lol

Chris, I need that 93 or 100 octane map. I think I can hit 11.3-4 :)

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Damn that's an impressive time and on 91. Great to see EPL's latest revised tune putting down strong times.

**SubaruSTI8** · 03-02-2017 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by Chris@EPL

No they do not belong on the list. The stage 2 does as that was a great time and he will probably go even faster this spring.

Yes sir! Once it gets warmer and track reopens I plan on getting better 60' and rt.

Originally Posted by ericw.

Yeah your stage 2 time is a competitive time..

...but then you've got animals like DGVR6 apparently using his good driver mods (r/t .311 is giving you away @DVGR6 !) to toast the majority of stage 2 times with his stage 1 93oct APR and roc euro intake.. lol

Anyone know anything about the 2017 APR Summer sale? My resources are coming up empty handed on a date. Hopefully their new CEO didn't do away with sales all together!

DGVR6 and I are friends we plan on hopefully going together more this upcoming track year :) his driver mod is great :)

Originally Posted by LO KAL ViSUAL

I just came home from Sacramento Raceway. This is my first time at the track with Stage 1 EPL tcu/tune on CA 91 "knocktane" map and everything else is stock.

2017
Audi S6
EPL ECU Stage 1
EPL TCU
Gas 91 octane
DA I'm not sure, lol

Chris, I need that 93 or 100 octane map. I think I can hit 11.3-4 :)

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Wow amazing run! Keep it up

**Ze_Nardo6** · 03-02-2017 06:51 AM

Is that the quickest 91 octane stage 1 run for an S6/7? I don't know of any other all stock car with just a 91 octane flash hitting 11.5....

Nicely done!

Can anyone calculate DA?

**Tony@EPL** · 03-02-2017 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by AudiS4B8

Is that the quickest 91 octane stage 1 run for an S6/7? I don't know of any other all stock car with just a 91 octane flash hitting 11.5....

Nicely done!

Can anyone calculate DA?

I spent A LOT of time on that 91 octane file... If I put any more time into it my laptop screen would have shortly looked like this..... I guess it paid off!

Great pass! Thanks for getting out there.

**pez81** · 03-02-2017 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by Tony@EPL

I spent A LOT of time on that 91 octane file... If I put any more time into it my laptop screen would have shortly looked like this..... I guess it paid off!

Great pass! Thanks for getting out there.

Well hats off to you and the team that's really quite something. Maybe this platform will start to see better and better times. May I ask how to you advance the timing or boost so much out of 91 octane or is it more to do with the TCU tune? Surely with the right conditions on 104 octane this car will do 10s. What's stage 2 gonna bring? Mega impressed. You make it hard not to switch!