A few Questions Re: 2016 RS7

[soulsea]

Hi,

I’m thinking of purchasing a 2016 RS7, either new or slightly used, and I have a few quick questions that perhaps you could help me out with. I’ll search the forum as well but I’d appreciate any direct feedback. Last Audi I owned was in the early 90s so all of this is new to me.

1. First I wanted to ask if the only difference between the base and performance version is a factory tune that gets more out of the same parts, or is there actual upgraded engine hardware to make the extra hp and torque? I understand that other things come with the performance package but for now I’m only curious about the hp/tq. For example on my 991.1 TTS the only difference between it and the TT is factory tuning, whereas in the 991.2 the TTS has upgraded parts vs the TT.

The reason I ask this is because I’m planning to do the APR stage 2 93 octane ECU upgrade with their downpipes, so if the engine, tranny etc are the same in the base and performance variants then presumably the numbers after tuning will be equal no matter what HP/tq I started out with. Again, using the 9911 TT/TTS as an example, the end result of a COBB tune is the same despite the fact that the TTS comes with more power from the factory. Does that make sense?

2. Speaking of exhaust, if I get the performance version which already comes with the sport exhaust, what is the benefit of the $9k titanium exhaust? Is it a weight thing or does it actually add performance or change the pitch of the exhaust sound?

3. Again speaking of exhaust … if I decide not to get a tune and not to get the titanium exhaust, what are some of the other quality aftermarket exhausts available?

4. If I wanted to do a slight drop what options would you recommend?

5. My understanding is that the next gen A6/A7 are due for 2018. I would prefer my car not tank in value a few months after purchase just because the new gen gets announced at a motor show. I understand that no one can predict the future but usualy how long does it take Audi to come out with an RS variant after a new gen gets released? Is it their practice to have an RS version quickly after the base car gets released or does it take them 2/3 years to get an RS version out?

Again, any info is greatly appreciated.

Serge

PS. Here are the other German girls:

[CanuckRS]

1. Software only.
2. Bling, bit lighter, louder.
4. Links imo
5. A few yrs at least after launch.

Hi,

I’m thinking of purchasing a 2016 RS7, either new or slightly used, and I have a few quick questions that perhaps you could help me out with. I’ll search the forum as well but I’d appreciate any direct feedback. Last Audi I owned was in the early 90s so all of this is new to me.

1. First I wanted to ask if the only difference between the base and performance version is a factory tune that gets more out of the same parts, or is there actual upgraded engine hardware to make the extra hp and torque? I understand that other things come with the performance package but for now I’m only curious about the hp/tq. For example on my 991.1 TTS the only difference between it and the TT is factory tuning, whereas in the 991.2 the TTS has upgraded parts vs the TT.

The reason I ask this is because I’m planning to do the APR stage 2 93 octane ECU upgrade with their downpipes, so if the engine, tranny etc are the same in the base and performance variants then presumably the numbers after tuning will be equal no matter what HP/tq I started out with. Again, using the 9911 TT/TTS as an example, the end result of a COBB tune is the same despite the fact that the TTS comes with more power from the factory. Does that make sense?

2. Speaking of exhaust, if I get the performance version which already comes with the sport exhaust, what is the benefit of the $9k titanium exhaust? Is it a weight thing or does it actually add performance or change the pitch of the exhaust sound?

3. Again speaking of exhaust … if I decide not to get a tune and not to get the titanium exhaust, what are some of the other quality aftermarket exhausts available?

4. If I wanted to do a slight drop what options would you recommend?

5. My understanding is that the next gen A6/A7 are due for 2018. I would prefer my car not tank in value a few months after purchase just because the new gen gets announced at a motor show. I understand that no one can predict the future but usualy how long does it take Audi to come out with an RS variant after a new gen gets released? Is it their practice to have an RS version quickly after the base car gets released or does it take them 2/3 years to get an RS version out?

Again, any info is greatly appreciated.

Serge

PS. Here are the other German girls:

[Unclebob59]

If these are your German girls I would save yourself the money, I just sold a 2016 RS7, it does not "drive" like a Porsche, I already had a 2016 Boxster Spyder and there is no comparison in the driving experience. I plan to purchase a 2016 911 GTS manual, researching as we speak


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[soulsea]

1. Software only.
2. Bling, bit lighter, louder.
4. Links imo
5. A few yrs at least after launch.

Thanks a bunch.

May I impose on you to clarify what you mean by links?

If these are your German girls I would save yourself the money, I just sold a 2016 RS7, it does not "drive" like a Porsche, I already had a 2016 Boxster Spyder and there is no comparison in the driving experience. I plan to purchase a 2016 911 GTS manual, researching as we speak

I appreciate that the RS7 won't drive like a Porsche, I'm not looking for it to. The RS is for the track and the TTS is for track and fun ... the RS7 wouldn't be replacing either of those cars, it would be a fun car to throw around as a daily to replace my current suv.

Good luck in your p car search ... post pics when you get her.

[G35C033]

1. Software only.

Car & Driver: http://www.caranddriver.com/audi/rs7
The extra output comes mainly from a new overboost function and different turbocharger turbines, but the Performance’s V-8 also has revised valve timing, new exhaust valves, different camshafts, higher-efficiency radiators, and a reprogrammed control unit.

[Serpent]

1. Software only.
2. Bling, bit lighter, louder.
4. Links imo
5. A few yrs at least after launch.

SoulSea, I will expand on Canuck's responses.


2. I believe the $9k option is for the Akra exhaust.
3. You could actually get the Akra exhaust separately - for less than $9k if you look around a bit.
4. Lowering links for Air suspension - Example: https://www.vividracing.com/catalog/...151291476.html (this is the first one I clicked on with a google search). You can also vagcom lower your car 10 or 14mm's.
5. Not sure - year or two.

[CanuckRS]

Thanks, didn't know that. Not worth it imo if he's going to do an Apr tune regardless and blow those teensy OEM numbers out of the water...

Car & Driver: http://www.caranddriver.com/audi/rs7
The extra output comes mainly from a new overboost function and different turbocharger turbines, but the Performance’s V-8 also has revised valve timing, new exhaust valves, different camshafts, higher-efficiency radiators, and a reprogrammed control unit.

[CanuckRS]

Thanks a bunch.

May I impose on you to clarify what you mean by links?

I bought mine here but there are others who sell them too.http://www.airmatic-lowering-links.co.uk

[G35C033]

Thanks, didn't know that. Not worth it imo if he's going to do an Apr tune regardless and blow those teensy OEM numbers out of the water...

Agreed, CRS. Just wanted to put it out there for the community.

[soulsea]

Very interesting, I appreciate all the info.

So I guess now I have to call APR and find out if they have a tune for the Performance version, because I'm guessing it'll be different.

Normally I would just buy the base version and save myself the difference since I don't care about having ceramic brakes on a street car, but I really want the DRC® suspension system and Sport exhaust system, and I don't see them being available as stand alone options on the base model.

[marty was here]

Very interesting, I appreciate all the info.

So I guess now I have to call APR and find out if they have a tune for the Performance version, because I'm guessing it'll be different.

Normally I would just buy the base version and save myself the difference since I don't care about having ceramic brakes on a street car, but I really want the DRC® suspension system and Sport exhaust system, and I don't see them being available as stand alone options on the base model.

why do i feel I've seen on the land rover forum and reenlist.

welcome to the land of audi

[soulsea]

why do i feel I've seen on the land rover forum and reenlist.

welcome to the land of audi

I'm on many forums with the same username.

And thanks. :)

[Serpent]

@Souldsea, to me the difference in price is worth it if you want the CCBs and carbon mirrors.


I also do not think APR makes a different tune for the performance.

[marty was here]

I'm on many forums with the same username.

And thanks. :)

i thought so

one thing i feel you havent addressed is that between the performance and regular version of the RS7 is the different type of suspensions. One is an air suspension, the other one is a DRC suspension. strongly recommend that you drive both before making a purchase. I have a close friend with DRC (a performance model) and it can be unbearable on NYC streets, but the backroad performance is impressive. Also, the "sports exhaust" on the performance model can be found as an installed option on almost every nonperformance package RS7, it had a very high take rate.

as for an aftermarket exhaust, Milltek is phenomenal in person and is not 9k. because why would you spend that much on a titanium exhaust in a car over 4000lbs?

[P_G]

Very interesting, I appreciate all the info.

So I guess now I have to call APR and find out if they have a tune for the Performance version, because I'm guessing it'll be different.

Normally I would just buy the base version and save myself the difference since I don't care about having ceramic brakes on a street car, but I really want the DRC suspension system and Sport exhaust system, and I don't see them being available as stand alone options on the base model.

May be different in the US however my 2015 RS7 has dynamic pack plus which included ceramics and DRC plus a couple of other bits (delimit and dynamic steering); sports exhaust can easily be added so it is possible to order a new '7 without going Performance with what you want in it.

How it rides depends on what you are used to, had DRC on my RS4 and glad I have it on the '7, I leave the car in comfort on the suspension pretty much all the time and now I have the 034 rear bar along with the DRC handling is great by pliability in the suspension over the harshest of our British roads even on 21's.

The let down now is the Conti's but after testing today I'll be going 285/30/21 MPSS's in the New Year to improve grip and then it'll be just about how I want it.


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[sciblades]

1. Software only.
2. Bling, bit lighter, louder.
4. Links imo
5. A few yrs at least after launch.

Number one is wrong it gets an improved zf transmission different software and hardware.

Number two will flow much better than normal sports exhaust, you get back pressure on the stock sports exhaust



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[soulsea]

I'm going to call APR on Tuesday (at the track Monday) and find out if they tune the Performance.

But if I understand correctly it appears that my choices are:

1. Get the base with the sports exhaust, deal with the softer suspension which I'd rather not have, and do the APR Stage 2 tune.

2. Get the Performance and leave it alone.

[P_G]

Do you not get the option of Dynamic Pack Plus in the US?

[soulsea]

I know it used to be available, but it looks like once they added the Performance trim they took away that option from the base model. At least that's how it's showing in the current builder.

[P_G]

That's very odd as it's still available on the UK configuration on the page after selecting seats


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[chucky0731]

SoulSea, I will expand on Canuck's responses.

4. Lowering links for Air suspension - Example: https://www.vividracing.com/catalog/...151291476.html (this is the first one I clicked on with a google search). You can also vagcom lower your car 10 or 14mm's.

I believe the RS7 Performance Version does NOT have air suspension...it comes with DRC standard as well as the ceramic brakes.

[chucky0731]

one thing i feel you havent addressed is that between the performance and regular version of the RS7 is the different type of suspensions. One is an air suspension, the other one is a DRC suspension. strongly recommend that you drive both before making a purchase. I have a close friend with DRC (a performance model) and it can be unbearable on NYC streets, but the backroad performance is impressive.

Agreed that one should take a test drive with both types of suspension.

For my RS7, I decided on the DRC...under comfort mode, the ride is very pliable and smooth, but you get less tilt of the car with tight cornering. Under dynamic, the ride is a little ruff.

The air suspension is very comfortable...in fact it is too comfortable and too floaty for me and turning a tight corner makes the whole car tilt. Not what you want out of a performance car.

[soulsea]

So what would be the way to lower an RS7 with DRC?

Lowering springs perhaps?

[chucky0731]

So what would be the way to lower an RS7 with DRC?

Lowering springs perhaps?

Yup... http://tagmotorsports.com/rs7-kw-hei...stible-springs

But be prepare that it will stiffing the DRC even more...I contemplated to have this installed but didn't want to stiffing my ride even more.

This system retains the MMI Suspension Control (Comfort, Auto, Dynamic), but I hear it will stiffing up the ride across the board...by how much I don't know since I've never driven a RS7 DRC + HAS.

[P_G]

That's my concern too, KW's on Audis do invariably make for a firmer ride so it would be like DRC in dynamic in comfort and the I'd hate to see what the car is like in dynamic with the KW's. I'd be inclined to get bigger wheels to fill the arches.


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[P_G]

Agreed that one should take a test drive with both types of suspension.

For my RS7, I decided on the DRC...under comfort mode, the ride is very pliable and smooth, but you get less tilt of the car with tight cornering. Under dynamic, the ride is a little ruff.

The air suspension is very comfortable...in fact it is too comfortable and too floaty for me and turning a tight corner makes the whole car tilt. Not what you want out of a performance car.

Agreed, whilst the RS7 is by no means nimble because of its size & weight if you do like it to handle DRC is better. I came across an air ride RS7 before I bought mine and even in dynamic it struggled to get round bends at significant speed. First thing I did was try the same bends in mine when I got it and could take them some 20-30km/h higher


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[soulsea]

Well, if I get the Performance I don't have to instal the lowering springs before delivery ... I'll see how she rides and decide accordingly.

I really appreciate everyone's input. I have learned so much in one day because of your help.

I now just need to get in touch with APR so as to get more info about their tunes and to decide which variant is the best fit for me. However right now I'm leaning toward the Performance and forgetting the tune. Then I'd get a aftermarket exhaust for it and maybe the lowering springs. It's too bad because if could have gotten the DRC as an option with the base model I could have had the best of all worlds, the handling and the insane hp.

[mjfloyd1]

I believe that you can put KW HAS (height adjustable springs) on DRC cars

[marty was here]

Well, if I get the Performance I don't have to instal the lowering springs before delivery ... I'll see how she rides and decide accordingly.

I really appreciate everyone's input. I have learned so much in one day because of your help.

I now just need to get in touch with APR so as to get more info about their tunes and to decide which variant is the best fit for me. However right now I'm leaning toward the Performance and forgetting the tune. Then I'd get a aftermarket exhaust for it and maybe the lowering springs. It's too bad because if could have gotten the DRC as an option with the base model I could have had the best of all worlds, the handling and the insane hp.

DRC and HAS would be appropriate only on perfect roads.

try a car air suspension, sway bars, and a DTS. that seems to be a happy medium. H&R makes a lowering module; as does cete

[G35C033]

Car & Driver: http://www.caranddriver.com/audi/rs7
The extra output comes mainly from a new overboost function and different turbocharger turbines, but the Performance’s V-8 also has revised valve timing, new exhaust valves, different camshafts, higher-efficiency radiators, and a reprogrammed control unit.

A little more about the motor differences, 6 minute mark. Then 1/2 mile runs @ Coalingua CA - check-out vs highly modified GTR(7:40), stock 458(8:20) and then revenge by the 458 driver(9:00)...total length 10 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gN6hFTCkEM

[VPRS7]

DRC and HAS would be appropriate only on perfect roads.

try a car air suspension, sway bars, and a DTS. that seems to be a happy medium. H&R makes a lowering module; as does cete

I have DRC with KW HAS and 21 " wheels and Toronto has horrible roads. In comfort mode the car is fine and is still a very pliable ride. In dynamic it is quite firm but still quite bearable and I have driven a car with an air suspension and don't feel that the DRC is too harsh

[P_G]

I have DRC with KW HAS and 21 " wheels and Toronto has horrible roads. In comfort mode the car is fine and is still a very pliable ride. In dynamic it is quite firm but still quite bearable and I have driven a car with an air suspension and don't feel that the DRC is too harsh

Do you feel the KW HAS has compromised the ride of the car at all from OEM?

[Logtec]

Hi,

I’m thinking of purchasing a 2016 RS7, either new or slightly used, and I have a few quick questions that perhaps you could help me out with. I’ll search the forum as well but I’d appreciate any direct feedback. Last Audi I owned was in the early 90s so all of this is new to me.

1. First I wanted to ask if the only difference between the base and performance version is a factory tune that gets more out of the same parts, or is there actual upgraded engine hardware to make the extra hp and torque? I understand that other things come with the performance package but for now I’m only curious about the hp/tq. For example on my 991.1 TTS the only difference between it and the TT is factory tuning, whereas in the 991.2 the TTS has upgraded parts vs the TT.

The reason I ask this is because I’m planning to do the APR stage 2 93 octane ECU upgrade with their downpipes, so if the engine, tranny etc are the same in the base and performance variants then presumably the numbers after tuning will be equal no matter what HP/tq I started out with. Again, using the 9911 TT/TTS as an example, the end result of a COBB tune is the same despite the fact that the TTS comes with more power from the factory. Does that make sense?

2. Speaking of exhaust, if I get the performance version which already comes with the sport exhaust, what is the benefit of the $9k titanium exhaust? Is it a weight thing or does it actually add performance or change the pitch of the exhaust sound?

3. Again speaking of exhaust … if I decide not to get a tune and not to get the titanium exhaust, what are some of the other quality aftermarket exhausts available?

4. If I wanted to do a slight drop what options would you recommend?

5. My understanding is that the next gen A6/A7 are due for 2018. I would prefer my car not tank in value a few months after purchase just because the new gen gets announced at a motor show. I understand that no one can predict the future but usualy how long does it take Audi to come out with an RS variant after a new gen gets released? Is it their practice to have an RS version quickly after the base car gets released or does it take them 2/3 years to get an RS version out?

Again, any info is greatly appreciated.

Serge

PS. Here are the other German girls:

Just don't go with the air suspension, Audi does not know how to make them, the ride is way too soft even in dynamic setting and you will get lot of body roll, squat and dive with the air.

[sciblades]

I'm going to call APR on Tuesday (at the track Monday) and find out if they tune the Performance.

But if I understand correctly it appears that my choices are:

1. Get the base with the sports exhaust, deal with the softer suspension which I'd rather not have, and do the APR Stage 2 tune.

2. Get the Performance and leave it alone.

Where are you located? I would suggest driving a stage ii car before you make that choice a performance car won't hold a candle to a stg ii car.



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[Ze_Nardo6]

A little more about the motor differences, 6 minute mark. Then 1/2 mile runs @ Coalingua CA - check-out vs highly modified GTR(7:40), stock 458(8:20) and then revenge by the 458 driver(9:00)...total length 10 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gN6hFTCkEM

Awesome video except the S6 race. The S6 trapped 89mph in the half mile, something went wrong

[VPRS7]

Do you feel the KW HAS has compromised the ride of the car at all from OEM?

No I wouldn't say it is compromised, but it certainly is firmer in Dynamic than it was before. Comfort mode didn't change much. The car certainly handles better in all modes than it did stock.

[P_G]

Good news, makes it a 'possible' on the list of mods again!


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[jpru2001]

you know between those two porsches and an RS7, you can only drive one of them at a time. I am in SC so if you need another driver just give me a call. :-) beautiful 911s.

[nickrs7]

Hi,

I’m thinking of purchasing a 2016 RS7, either new or slightly used, and I have a few quick questions that perhaps you could help me out with. I’ll search the forum as well but I’d appreciate any direct feedback. Last Audi I owned was in the early 90s so all of this is new to me.

1. First I wanted to ask if the only difference between the base and performance version is a factory tune that gets more out of the same parts, or is there actual upgraded engine hardware to make the extra hp and torque? I understand that other things come with the performance package but for now I’m only curious about the hp/tq. For example on my 991.1 TTS the only difference between it and the TT is factory tuning, whereas in the 991.2 the TTS has upgraded parts vs the TT.

The reason I ask this is because I’m planning to do the APR stage 2 93 octane ECU upgrade with their downpipes, so if the engine, tranny etc are the same in the base and performance variants then presumably the numbers after tuning will be equal no matter what HP/tq I started out with. Again, using the 9911 TT/TTS as an example, the end result of a COBB tune is the same despite the fact that the TTS comes with more power from the factory. Does that make sense?

2. Speaking of exhaust, if I get the performance version which already comes with the sport exhaust, what is the benefit of the $9k titanium exhaust? Is it a weight thing or does it actually add performance or change the pitch of the exhaust sound?

3. Again speaking of exhaust … if I decide not to get a tune and not to get the titanium exhaust, what are some of the other quality aftermarket exhausts available?

4. If I wanted to do a slight drop what options would you recommend?

5. My understanding is that the next gen A6/A7 are due for 2018. I would prefer my car not tank in value a few months after purchase just because the new gen gets announced at a motor show. I understand that no one can predict the future but usualy how long does it take Audi to come out with an RS variant after a new gen gets released? Is it their practice to have an RS version quickly after the base car gets released or does it take them 2/3 years to get an RS version out?

Again, any info is greatly appreciated.

Serge

PS. Here are the other German girls:

if your looking for used buy mine 2016 rs7 stage 2 apr intake to much to list 0to60 2.6 1/4 mile 10.4

[sciblades]

if your looking for used buy mine 2016 rs7 stage 2 apr intake to much to list 0to60 2.6 1/4 mile 10.4

Selling already?

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