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    Oil Filter Issue on B6 A4 3.0

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    I've run across a weird issue with my 04 B6 3.0 when it comes to using oil filters. I've done about four oil changes on this car and several throughout my lifetime, so I'm pretty sure it's nothing I'm doing wrong. It appears that only certain filters will work on my car without causing leaks. What I mean is that I have tried Mann, Mobil 1, Fram, and several others since I have had this car. Every single one of these will leak between the filter gasket and the housing unit, I clean the surface well and snug it down hand tight. However, I have only used two that didn't appear to leak, which were Purolator and Parts Master.

    I am in the middle of doing my timing belt and put a new Mann Filter on and that is leaking between the gasket and housing the little bit of oil that is left in the pan out. I'm curious if anyone else has had this problem? I like Mobil 1, Bosch filters, or the occasional Royal Purple (on my G35), but all of these leak when I put them on, except the two I mentioned. They are all stated to be compatible with the 3.0 as well.

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    Mann wp1140 is the new king I've discovered.

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    A tiny scratch between the oil filter mating surface, and the actual oil filter seal will cause pressure-based oil leaks. Get it really clean, and examine the sealing surface for any nicks, or scratches.

    If in doubt, replace the oil filter housing / cooler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacobsen View Post
    Mann wp1140 is the new king I've discovered.

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    Yeah? You have a 1.8, but Im curious as to whats up with this versus the 930 that I run
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    I'm not sure what the bypass is for the 3.00. But I I think it's the same as the 1.8 bypass. The wp1144 has the finest Micron filtration, it's two filters in one. The outer filter does 14 microns at 50% and 36 microns at 99%. The second filter does 3 microns at 50% and 6 microns at 99%. It's an oil filter miracle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacobsen View Post
    I'm not sure what the bypass is for the 3.00. But I I think it's the same as the 1.8 bypass. The wp1144 has the finest Micron filtration, it's two filters in one. The outer filter does 14 microns at 50% and 36 microns at 99%. The second filter does 3 microns at 50% and 6 microns at 99%. It's an oil filter miracle.

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    Plus it adds like 25 donkeypowers to your tired ass engine instantly! Can't lose!

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    For the past 30 years, I've been running OEM oil filters. From 1980's Audi 80 1.3 to C5 RS6, to B5/6 S4, and all variants of the Audi V8 engine.

    And, I've never had an issue with any of my car's oil filtration, or pressure systems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by naysay15 View Post
    Plus it adds like 25 donkeypowers to your tired ass engine instantly! Can't lose!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nollywood View Post
    For the past 30 years, I've been running OEM oil filters. From 1980's Audi 80 1.3 to C5 RS6, to B5/6 S4, and all variants of the Audi V8 engine.

    And, I've never had an issue with any of my car's oil filtration, or pressure systems.
    Wp1144, 950/4, 940/25 etc all good filters but the micron ratings aren't so hot on the later 2.

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    I've never had a problem with mann or oem. If you are leaking around the gasket, try to tighten the oil filter.

    In the past I've had to use channel-lock pliers to remove the oil filter... and that is putting it on 'hand-tight'.

    luckily the filter is really easy to reach so i doesn't matter if you tork it down! Yee-haw!

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    Obviously if your oil filters are leaking at the seal then there's clearly something wrong with the mating surface. It's either bent, scratched or perhaps the threads are out of alignment somehow.

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    Are you sure it is leaking between the filter and the oil cooler and not between the cooler and the block?

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    I'll try using a strap wrench or something to give it a little extra torque. Yes, I'm 100% positive it's not between the cooler and the block. I can see it seep out between the filter and cooler and then travel down. How far should the thread protrude from the cooler? I've noticed it doesn't look too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coffeysm View Post
    How far should the thread protrude from the cooler? I've noticed it doesn't look too long.
    I just did an oil change on my 3.0 a few days ago, and although I didn't measure the number of threads, I think it takes about 3-4 rotations until the gasket hits the cooler, and then 3/4 - 1 rotation to get it really tight. Grabbing on with both hands I can get it to twist maybe another 45 degrees.

    I usually drop the oil filter first, so my gloved hands are still clean and not slippery when putting the new oil filter on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coffeysm View Post
    I'll try using a strap wrench or something to give it a little extra torque. Yes, I'm 100% positive it's not between the cooler and the block. I can see it seep out between the filter and cooler and then travel down. How far should the thread protrude from the cooler? I've noticed it doesn't look too long.
    The threaded bolt protrusion isn't the issue here. The oils cooler itself is. Replace it, and use a new O-ring between it and the block / oil filter housing.
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    My Mann oil filter is leaking also. I usually use Fram Bosch or OEM. I was at JHM and picked up a Mann not to long ago. I am having the same issue. I guess its back to Fram....


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    Never had a problem with any Mann anything, I doubt that's the problem here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJorge3442 View Post
    Yeah? You have a 1.8, but Im curious as to whats up with this versus the 930 that I run
    For no particular reason, on 3L I used 930/21, and 940/25 on 1.8T.
    I didn't read a book on it. It was on the shelf, I grabbed it, and installed it.

    Oil will drip a little at first, but the engine isn't leaking.
    That's because I pre-fill them as much as I can before quickly tilting it to screw it on.

    Inevitably a little oil spills into the outer channel before I quickly hand-screw it on tight enough to work the seal.
    I never bothered to look close at the metal it seals against for scratches, I just wipe it with a towel.



    Because 1. oil is thick and 2. the outer edge is a close fit, it leaves it only a tiny space to drip out of.
    So it's just remnant from a spill.
    That's not the same as puncturing the filter with a screwdriver and having it spurt out oil while the car runs and losing pressure.

    However I don't even know what my pressure is. Never measured it, nor do I have gauges.
    Race cars have gauges of all that. Temps, pressures, etc.
    All Audi gave us was
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    nothing really
    Even new cars have it standard..

    I think BMW has oil temp gauge, cuz THATS what matters when u open the throttle. Not some little water coolant.
    oil lubricates piston wall.

    I assume if a BMW overheats, which it shouldnt unless you put 200k mi on it and puncture the radiator with a deer,
    that it will tell you with a warning sound and light, instead of the gauge that we have.

    Maybe I should fit some monitors?
    Or VFIZ? Expensive though.

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    back to filter. I may install it with a blue shop towel to keep the outside shell dry and not slippery.
    Maybe even wrap with sandpaper to get a better hold on it, so I can put it precisely at the level I want.
    I'm not afraid to overdo it, because the threading is big and strong. It's probably fragile metal though so I go gentle.
    Just that extra couple degrees maybe?

    It's not like I put a breaker bar and do 175 ft lb + 1/4 turn axle bolt torque or whatever it is.
    Obviously that'd be problematic.

    I wanna say I've developed a feel for the seal compressing but maybe it's wishful thinking. I also lube it with thin coat of oil. Is an actual grease better? I assume here it doesn't matter too much since 1. filter only lasts 5k and gets thrown away, 2. Mann might actually recommend/advise it, and 3. maybe the only purpose is to make it easier to remove during next change, rather than drying up (engine heat) and getting stuck.

    Quote Originally Posted by road_tripper View Post
    I've never had a problem with mann or oem. If you are leaking around the gasket, try to tighten the oil filter.

    In the past I've had to use channel-lock pliers to remove the oil filter... and that is putting it on 'hand-tight'.

    luckily the filter is really easy to reach so i doesn't matter if you tork it down! Yee-haw!
    On 1.8T I think I use sandpaper. Maybe there's a place to put a flathead screwdriver underneath to twist it. Worst case scenario maybe hammer a flathead screwdriver through it, to twist.

    But 3L is much easier to access so I just use something like this, on a 3/8" ratchet. You gotta hold the tool tight over the filter though, that's just how it works. Cup your hand over it, THEN operate ratchet simultaneously with other hand.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 5ktq View Post
    Never had a problem with any Mann anything, I doubt that's the problem here...

    OK...

    Regardless of your opinion its still happening. Thanks for your 0.02!!

    Maybe a bad batch of filters were made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 19jdog View Post
    My Mann oil filter is leaking also. I usually use Fram Bosch or OEM. I was at JHM and picked up a Mann not to long ago. I am having the same issue. I guess its back to Fram....


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    Interesting. I would stay away from Fram and use practically any other brand. Before my Audi, I used to use Fram over anything, but then I started reading more and the Fram's are almost always junk compared to the other brands. Are you 100% its leaking from the filter and not the cooler? I get a small leak around the cooler on mine. Next oil change I will be changing that gasket.
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    Ok I am wrong I can admit it! I have a frickin hole in the filter. I don't understand how. I do run a THOR belly pan. What in the hell man! I have oil all down the underside of the car.

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    wild. not sure where the filter sits on a 3.0 so i've got no ideas..

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