Shifter D or S?

**quietcropduster** · 10-27-2016 07:25 PM

Holy shit I'm embarrassed 2 even ask

this question, 2013 B8.5

I just noticed when in drive if I put the actual shifter down, its goes into S verses D. When i check drive select, it doesn't change the the driving mode (dynamic, comfort etc) but does something 2 the transmission is it a separate sport mode or something or?

**brianc21** · 10-27-2016 07:28 PM

Sport mode. Essentially just changes the shift points and is more aggressive then drive. I always drive is S unless cruising on the freeway.

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**quietcropduster** · 10-27-2016 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by brianc21

Sport mode. Essentially just changes the shift points and is more aggressive then drive. I always drive is S unless cruising on the freeway.

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I thought by simply putting the drive select in dynamic did all of that? I'm so fucking mad at myself right now it's not even funny lol

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**brianc21** · 10-27-2016 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by quietcropduster

I thought by simply putting the drive select in dynamic did all of that? I'm so fucking mad at myself right now it's not even funny lol

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I think it will if you select dynamic from another drive select option, but only for that driving session. If you restart, your still in dynamic, but no longer in sport mode. If that makes sense.

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**14S4GWM** · 10-27-2016 07:32 PM

Im gonna throw the RTFM at you, lol.

**quietcropduster** · 10-27-2016 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by 14S4GWM

Im gonna throw the RTFM at you, lol.

Rtfm?

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**14S4GWM** · 10-27-2016 07:36 PM

Read The Fucking Manual.....it should be in the glove box

**Pared** · 10-27-2016 07:44 PM

Where would I find this... glove box...?

**quietcropduster** · 10-27-2016 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Pared

Where would I find this... glove box...?

Yeah, wtf is that lol

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**14S4GWM** · 10-27-2016 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by quietcropduster

Yeah, wtf is that lol

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I know, I know, I don't use it either but the manual is in there.

**elscotto80** · 10-27-2016 08:27 PM

Is this thefifthdagree?

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**mlavelle92** · 10-27-2016 09:23 PM

Looking at your mod list you are either the dumbest man or the planet or a mediocre troll. Perhaps both

**quietcropduster** · 10-27-2016 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by mlavelle92

Looking at your mod list you are either the dumbest man or the planet or a mediocre troll. Perhaps both

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**quietcropduster** · 10-27-2016 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by mlavelle92

Looking at your mod list you are either the dumbest man or the planet or a mediocre troll. Perhaps both

Wth does my signature have 2 do with anything?

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**SwankP3RF3ct10n** · 10-27-2016 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by quietcropduster

I thought by simply putting the drive select in dynamic did all of that? I'm so fucking mad at myself right now it's not even funny lol

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It's the same thing, just a quicker way to do it.

**SwankP3RF3ct10n** · 10-27-2016 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by brianc21

I think it will if you select dynamic from another drive select option, but only for that driving session. If you restart, your still in dynamic, but no longer in sport mode. If that makes sense.

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Dynamic IS Sport Mode and vice versa.

**brianc21** · 10-27-2016 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by SwankP3RF3ct10n

Dynamic IS Sport Mode and vice versa.

No, it's not necessarily. I can be in dynamic and not in sport mode.

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**SwankP3RF3ct10n** · 10-27-2016 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by brianc21

No, it's not necessarily. I can be in dynamic and not in sport mode.

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No such thing. If your shift indicator in the DIN shows "S", you're in Dynamic for the engine/trans. Sport diff and steering should flip to this as well. You either pull down on the shifter (if equipped or is a B8.5) of you press the dash button and flip it (if it's a B8). It's not two different modes when it comes to the engine/trans Sport/Dynamic is the same. As a matter of fact, non-ADS (i.e. no Sport Diff minimum) B8 S4 models don't have the ADS buttons on the dash and have the S on the shifter as an additional notch below D to be able to flip the engine/trans into Dynamic mode, which is Sport mode.

**brianc21** · 10-27-2016 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by SwankP3RF3ct10n

No such thing. If your shift indicator in the DIN shows "S", you're in Dynamic for the engine/trans. Sport diff and steering should flip to this as well. You either pull down on the shifter (if equipped or is a B8.5) of you press the dash button and flip it (if it's a B8). It's not two different modes when it comes to the engine/trans Sport/Dynamic is the same. As a matter of fact, non-ADS (i.e. no Sport Diff minimum) B8 S4 models don't have the ADS buttons on the dash and have the S on the shifter as an additional notch below D to be able to flip the engine/trans into Dynamic mode, which is Sport mode.

Yes. But what I was referring to was the ability to be in regular drive mode (D) and sport mode (S), both while being in dynamic mode. Therefore if your in drive mode and in dynamic, you are not in sport mode.

Like I previously said, if you select dynamic it changes everything to sport mode. But when I start my car, it will start up in dynamic, but not sport mode (S).

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**SwankP3RF3ct10n** · 10-28-2016 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by brianc21

Yes. But what I was referring to was the ability to be in regular drive mode (D) and sport mode (S), both while being in dynamic mode. Therefore if your in drive mode and in dynamic, you are not in sport mode.

Like I previously said, if you select dynamic it changes everything to sport mode. But when I start my car, it will start up in dynamic, but not sport mode (S).

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If you've coded ADS to start in Dynamic each time, it'll start in Dynamic each time. If you're saying that you've either coded it or set your Individual and had the B8.5 ADS remember this on startup, it's actually in Dynamic, which is Sport. If then you put it in gear to move forward and your DIN shows D as opposed to S, it's because it's flipping it out of Dynamic and throwing it in normal mode. It's the quirkiness of the way the B8.5 shifter works. I don't know why it would do that, if you've truly started the car, set ADS through the MMI to Dynamic and pulled to put it in Drive, it should indicate S and not D in the DIN.

**pdqgp** · 10-28-2016 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by SwankP3RF3ct10n

If you've coded ADS to start in Dynamic each time, it'll start in Dynamic each time.

Not on mine. Mine defaults back to Auto when I start the car regardless of what mode I turn it off in. I have no idea why. Could be something my buddy and I changed when we initially went through the VAG COM settings.

We were able to get it to stick and start in Individual each time but doing to removed all the options from the selector under under the settings.

I most always select Individual Mode as I have my settings tailored to my liking.

**pdqgp** · 10-28-2016 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by mlavelle92

Looking at your mod list you are either the dumbest man or the planet or a mediocre troll. Perhaps both

I'll refrain from staing my opinoin and leave it as if you're just having a late night buzz on. He's a quality guy and I know him personally.

**doug97gxe** · 10-28-2016 06:03 AM

you know what solves all this confusion? a manual transmission

**quietcropduster** · 10-28-2016 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by doug97gxe

you know what solves all this confusion? a manual transmission

Ha touche.

I use 2 own 1 :'(

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**BDP** · 10-28-2016 06:27 AM

My car never leaves dynamic mode or the mode I choose until I change it. Whatever I have it in when I shut the car off is what it starts up with when I get back in. Maybe the previous owner adjusted some things...dunno. However the previous poster is correct I can be in Dynamic, Individual, or Comfort and have my shifter in "D". Personally I don't feel any change in the "steering" in any mode of drive select, I do notice the shift points changing in "S" mode though.

**sworksone** · 10-28-2016 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by BDP

My car never leaves dynamic mode or the mode I choose until I change it. Whatever I have it in when I shut the car off is what it starts up with when I get back in. Maybe the previous owner adjusted some things...dunno. However the previous poster is correct I can be in Dynamic, Individual, or Comfort and have my shifter in "D". Personally I don't feel any change in the "steering" in any mode of drive select, I do notice the shift points changing in "S" mode though.

It's amazing how there is so much confusion on this amongst those who actually own the car. All of the above is the same for my 2014 with the exception there may be a very small difference in steering between comfort and dynamic, but no where near the night and day that is was on the 2010. I'm surprised that the earlier poster with a 2014 said their Drive Select reverts back to auto when restarting. This isn't the case for mine and I thought this changed between B8 and 8.5. I pretty much always drive is S. While not a big deal i wish there was a way to have it default to this on startup - even in dynamic it starts in D. I've tried to change this with vcds but not with any success.

**Mat@1975** · 10-28-2016 08:36 AM

Hello,

I personnally think that starting in D even with the "Full Dynamic mode" is enabled is a good thing for cold starts.

BR

Mat

**j1n** · 10-28-2016 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by sworksone

It's amazing how there is so much confusion on this amongst those who actually own the car. All of the above is the same for my 2014 with the exception there may be a very small difference in steering between comfort and dynamic, but no where near the night and day that is was on the 2010. I'm surprised that the earlier poster with a 2014 said their Drive Select reverts back to auto when restarting. This isn't the case for mine and I thought this changed between B8 and 8.5. I pretty much always drive is S. While not a big deal i wish there was a way to have it default to this on startup - even in dynamic it starts in D. I've tried to change this with vcds but not with any success.

i was wondering if this was possible. i guess not.

**13jfp** · 10-28-2016 09:29 AM

Does driving in S mode wear the clutches faster from more aggressive shifts and rev blips on downshifting?

**quietcropduster** · 10-28-2016 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by 13jfp

Does driving in S mode wear the clutches faster from more aggressive shifts and rev blips on downshifting?

If you're worried about that, stay bone stock lol

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**13jfp** · 10-28-2016 09:56 AM

Totally happy with stock performance. I enjoy using S mode but worry the aggressive downshifts are hard on clutches.

**doug97gxe** · 10-28-2016 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by 13jfp

Totally happy with stock performance. I enjoy using S mode but worry the aggressive downshifts are hard on clutches.

it will last you as long as the warranty guaranteed .. what this means is... not that its going to last only to a certain mileage, but Audi isn't going to offer a feature that's going to have their service bay filled with warranty work. Enjoy the car with all the features offered without worrying if its going to be a problem

**S4Flyer** · 10-28-2016 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Mat@1975

Hello,

I personnally think that starting in D even with the "Full Dynamic mode" is enabled is a good thing for cold starts.

BR

Mat

This ^^^

I never go into S or rev over 2500 until she's warmed up.

**SwankP3RF3ct10n** · 10-28-2016 10:17 AM

A couple of things. Some B8.5 cars will stick in Individual mode when you cut the car off if that's what you were in and then when you start it back up, it'll still be in that mode. Some will not do this and flip back to Auto. Has to do with software revision on it and/or model year. Additionally, if the car was used when you bought it, the previous owner could have coded it via VCDS and those don't always get reset even if the car is CPO'd by the dealership before sale to you, so some of you that start in Dynamic all the time or whatever, something other than Auto or Individual, are most likely coded like that.

Now, if those with B8.5's are saying that even when you set ADS to full Dynamic or you set your Individual mode to have engine/trans on Dynamic and you move the shifter from Park to Drive, the DIN shows "D" as opposed to "S", I can tell tell you that you're no longer in Dynamic (which is the same as Sport or "S"). I don't know why for the life of me Audi would do something like that, but since the Engine AND Trans are bound to the same ADS mode, there is NO WAY that you could be in Dynamic and have the DIN shift indicator show "D" and have the engine/trans in Dynamic... no way... Seems stupid for Audi to allow ADS to be flipped and engaged to Dynamic and then force the user to put it in Drive and then flip it again down just to put it back in Dynamic. Seems stupid and counterintuitive to the idea of them having a flipdown for D/S, which was their solution to give the user a quick way to flip the car into Dynamic mode since the B8.5 does not have ADS controls on the dash anymore which would arrow to each mode with just a single press or two of a single button. In the new models it's all via MMI and that's time consuming when in traffic and you need a quick way to flip to Dynamic, hence the shifter option of a quick pull and you're there. Hope all of this is clear to you guys.

**doug97gxe** · 10-28-2016 10:21 AM

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**SwankP3RF3ct10n** · 10-28-2016 10:35 AM

^^^^ HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! [/Thread]

**pdqgp** · 10-28-2016 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by SwankP3RF3ct10n

Additionally, if the car was used when you bought it, the previous owner could have coded it via VCDS and those don't always get reset even if the car is CPO'd by the dealership before sale to you, so some of you that start in Dynamic all the time or whatever, something other than Auto or Individual, are most likely coded like that.

My car was bought after 8 months of in service and 7,500 miles on it. It came from an employee at the Audi Cali Testing Center and was driven by an executive there. It was transported to the dealer in Chicago who bought it and buys lots of their program cars. I even talked to the guy as he left his sim card in the dash. Car was as stock as can be.

**S4Flyer** · 10-28-2016 12:54 PM

Lots of people abuse their cars out of ignorance or indifference.

Others understand that most engine wear occurs between starting and when the engine reaches its operating temperature.

Personally, I plan on keeping this thing a while, and treat it accordingly.

**brianc21** · 10-28-2016 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by SwankP3RF3ct10n

A couple of things. Some B8.5 cars will stick in Individual mode when you cut the car off if that's what you were in and then when you start it back up, it'll still be in that mode. Some will not do this and flip back to Auto. Has to do with software revision on it and/or model year. Additionally, if the car was used when you bought it, the previous owner could have coded it via VCDS and those don't always get reset even if the car is CPO'd by the dealership before sale to you, so some of you that start in Dynamic all the time or whatever, something other than Auto or Individual, are most likely coded like that.

Now, if those with B8.5's are saying that even when you set ADS to full Dynamic or you set your Individual mode to have engine/trans on Dynamic and you move the shifter from Park to Drive, the DIN shows "D" as opposed to "S", I can tell tell you that you're no longer in Dynamic (which is the same as Sport or "S"). I don't know why for the life of me Audi would do something like that, but since the Engine AND Trans are bound to the same ADS mode, there is NO WAY that you could be in Dynamic and have the DIN shift indicator show "D" and have the engine/trans in Dynamic... no way... Seems stupid for Audi to allow ADS to be flipped and engaged to Dynamic and then force the user to put it in Drive and then flip it again down just to put it back in Dynamic. Seems stupid and counterintuitive to the idea of them having a flipdown for D/S, which was their solution to give the user a quick way to flip the car into Dynamic mode since the B8.5 does not have ADS controls on the dash anymore which would arrow to each mode with just a single press or two of a single button. In the new models it's all via MMI and that's time consuming when in traffic and you need a quick way to flip to Dynamic, hence the shifter option of a quick pull and you're there. Hope all of this is clear to you guys.

Do you even have an 8.5? I'm guessing you have a B8. Mine will start up in DYNAMIC MODE since that's what it was last in. No vcds, that's just how the 8.5s are.

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