GIAC Dual Pulley File?

[withENEMYin]

I stopped at my local shop on the way home. They told me GIAC confirmed that dual pulley file is ready for B8s but not B8.5s. I could bring it in tomorrow and get the flash, then bring it back for the LPFP install.

Prices are:
Dual pulley file. $400?
Low Preassure fuel pump 500? + install..

It's not posted anywhere so I'm sure prices are premature, but I was hoping it would be less. At the very least maybe offer a better upg price from stage 2 to "stage 3"

Anyone else confirm this or heard anything? I'm eager to do this, but weary without any posted gains or confirmed logs.

[whiped]

Still in the works, no official release yet.

Mrmomo is their beta tester for the B8, you could check with him.

Is the upgraded LPFP required?

[withENEMYin]

Still in the works, no official release yet.

Mrmomo is their beta tester for the B8, you could check with him.

Is the upgraded LPFP required?

I was there 2 hrs ago, he said ready to go for b8 and LPFP is required.

[nkh79]

I think they've made their beta file more accessible lately, but I emailed GIAC earlier this month when the fuel pump was released and was told that it was close but not fully complete yet. I'd expect to see something here or on their FB page when it's official, but what do I know?

I'm curious which shop this was, since according to your location, you're probably really close to me.

[withENEMYin]

I think they've made their beta file more accessible lately, but I emailed GIAC earlier this month when the fuel pump was released and was told that it was close but not fully complete yet. I'd expect to see something here or on their FB page when it's official, but what do I know?

I'm curious which shop this was, since according to your location, you're probably really close to me.

I don't want to call the shop out just in case this is premature. I will pm you.

[mrmomo313]

You should be able to get a file if they said it's ready. There are some minor tweaks to be done. I'm still on an earlier revision and Seth@GIAC told me I'll get the new file as soon as it's ready...

I'm waiting on a few parts to come in that will be installed on monday. I am planning on going to test/tune next week to test it all out ( weather permitting).

The pump is 500. Loe and I paid 5 hours in labor for installation..

Price of upgrade I'm not sure about as I switched from APR. It was 2600 all in for the ECU+TCU... Using my existing hardware (APR blower pulley and 194mm KI crank).

[withENEMYin]

You should be able to get a file if they said it's ready. There are some minor tweaks to be done. I'm still on an earlier revision and Seth@GIAC told me I'll get the new file as soon as it's ready...

I'm waiting on a few parts to come in that will be installed on monday. I am planning on going to test/tune next week to test it all out ( weather permitting).

The pump is 500. Loe and I paid 5 hours in labor for installation..

Price of upgrade I'm not sure about as I switched from APR. It was 2600 all in for the ECU+TCU... Using my existing hardware (APR blower pulley and 194mm KI crank).

That sounds about right. Hit that track!

[Thurston]

ready for the b8 but not the b8.5? same story w/ apr . . . wonder what's up w/ that?

[Loe]

Just a few adjustments left on the b8.5 file, shouldn't be too long. The ECU is slightly different, but the WOT tables are set in stone (for now), just some minor drivability/part-throttle response adjustments needed to give it more of an OEM "+" feel and (at my request that will hopefully benefit others) a few other things on the throttle response side to ease the use of the primetime "up-swing" launch method.

[613B6]

It would be nice to know if the pump is needed 100% or only if for a certain ratio and up.

[Loe]

It would be nice to know if the pump is needed 100% or only if for a certain ratio and up.

Hi Sam,

I can ask Logan, but so far all of us who are running this (or will be soon) have 194mm cranks and the LPFP fuel-kit is needed. There are subjective advantages in feel that can't be logged in VCDS blocks with the unit connected, which may show up on the dyno. I would venture to say that 179-183mm cranks will not need this, but anything larger (especially 2010 B8 models) may need it. However, since you have methanol injection, they may decide to allow you to forgo that option as I have spoken to Logan about methanol in the past and we both agreed on its fueling advantages.

[613B6]

Thanks for the info Loe. I would think for sure guys who blend need it but for straight pump or race guys like me could get away without it, time will tell.

[SwankP3RF3ct10n]

Hi Sam,

I can ask Logan, but so far all of us who are running this (or will be soon) have 194mm cranks and the LPFP fuel-kit is needed. There are subjective advantages in feel that can't be logged in VCDS blocks with the unit connected, which may show up on the dyno. I would venture to say that 179-183mm cranks will not need this, but anything larger (especially 2010 B8 models) may need it. However, since you have methanol injection, they may decide to allow you to forgo that option as I have spoken to Logan about methanol in the past and we both agreed on its fueling advantages.

What's so specific about the 2010 B8 in regards to this? If anything, I would have seriously thought it would be the B8.5 cars that needed it since some of those piss their pants on Stage 2 due to weaker in-tank LPFP from the factory or some junk. Nothing was ever concrete on that if Audi did it on purpose or there were just a few that had bad batches of pumps that worked fine stock but fell on their face when tuned, so I'm just assuming here a little. haha

[Lensch09]

Hi Sam,

I can ask Logan, but so far all of us who are running this (or will be soon) have 194mm cranks and the LPFP fuel-kit is needed. There are subjective advantages in feel that can't be logged in VCDS blocks with the unit connected, which may show up on the dyno. I would venture to say that 179-183mm cranks will not need this, but anything larger (especially 2010 B8 models) may need it. However, since you have methanol injection, they may decide to allow you to forgo that option as I have spoken to Logan about methanol in the past and we both agreed on its fueling advantages.

What about the OEM E85 pump?

-DL

[Loe]

What about the OEM E85 pump?

-DL

without anyone actually flow testing it and sending it to GIAC to confirm, I don't think they would actually say yes to it. You are on a 179mm though, it may not be required at all.

[Loe]

What's so specific about the 2010 B8 in regards to this? If anything, I would have seriously thought it would be the B8.5 cars that needed it since some of those piss their pants on Stage 2 due to weaker in-tank LPFP from the factory or some junk. Nothing was ever concrete on that if Audi did it on purpose or there were just a few that had bad batches of pumps that worked fine stock but fell on their face when tuned, so I'm just assuming here a little. haha

I'll let Mrmommo313 chime in with his interaction and logging with it. He reaches a ceiling far quicker than I did (2010 vs. 2014).

[theweebabyseamus]

What kind of actual gains are you seeing going from a stage 2 dual pulley to a dual pulley specific tune?

[Lensch09]

without anyone actually flow testing it and sending it to GIAC to confirm, I don't think they would actually say yes to it. You are on a 179mm though, it may not be required at all.

I don't have the means to flow test it here, but I can log. I'm sure that there are other B8.5s out there with similar mods as mine on the stock pump that we can compare with.

-DL

[Connie@GIAC]

Still in the works, no official release yet.

Mrmomo is their beta tester for the B8, you could check with him.

Is the upgraded LPFP required?

It would be nice to know if the pump is needed 100% or only if for a certain ratio and up.

The LPFP upgrade is very highly recommended, so much that we would almost require it. Without it, you can't run E85 and it might throw codes depending on the condition of your car. Most cars also run less timing up top and get less power without the LPFP.

[KRp220]

The LPFP upgrade is very highly recommended, so much that we would almost require it. Without it, you can't run E85 and it might throw codes depending on the condition of your car. Most cars also run less timing up top and get less power without the LPFP.

are you able to provide us an estimated official-release date?

[Q5OnTheMove]

are you able to provide us an estimated official-release date?

I could be mistaken but I think its out already. Found here

[KRp220]

I could be mistaken but I think its out already. Found here

i thought this thread was more about a dual pulley file, not just the pump

[whiped]

i thought this thread was more about a dual pulley file, not just the pump

It is, the pump is just required.

I'd be interested in more information about this and the threshold for the stock pump but I imagine it is too early.

[KRp220]

It is, the pump is just required.

I'd be interested in more information about this and the threshold for the stock pump but I imagine it is too early.

i guess i just saw the pump as a requirement for whatever is coming up (dual pulley file), which i was asking about, and if/when there will be an official release

[withENEMYin]

i guess i just saw the pump as a requirement for whatever is coming up (dual pulley file), which i was asking about, and if/when there will be an official release

The dual pulley file is ready for B8s. Im having mine flashed on Tuesday then coming back for the lpfp.

Call your local GIAC certified shop...

[KRp220]

The dual pulley file is ready for B8s. Im having mine flashed on Tuesday then coming back for the lpfp.

Call your local GIAC certified shop...

i was asking if there is going to be an official release... like, GIAC posting and saying "hey! new dual pulley files, adds XX horsepower, need a pulley and a flash, cost $XXXX!!!!" just like very other tuner does

i don't understand why there is so much confusion around my question

[withENEMYin]

i was asking if there is going to be an official release... like, GIAC posting and saying "hey! new dual pulley files, adds XX horsepower, need a pulley and a flash, cost $XXXX!!!!" just like very other tuner does

i don't understand why there is so much confusion around my question

Well you provided a little more clarification here. It's $400 for the dual pulley file if you are already stage II, and $500 for the LPFP.

Who knows about the official release and solid numbers. I doubt we will get solid performance #s since we are all running so many different dual pulley ratios, installed heat exchangers, other mods, etc. Im just glad im modded similarly to mrmomo313 since he is a beta tester...

[KRp220]

Well you provided a little more clarification here. It's $400 for the dual pulley file if you are already stage II, and $500 for the LPFP.

Who knows about the official release and solid numbers. I doubt we will get solid performance #s since we are all running so many different dual pulley ratios, installed heat exchangers, other mods, etc. Im just glad im modded similarly to mrmomo313 since he is a beta tester...

thanks. i haven't read up on all the dual pulley info, so i guess i was curious if GIAC was going to make a recommendation and offer more of a turn-key solution. i emailed my shop yesterday but haven't heard back

[Loe]

you can always call, Connie/Seth/Logan are very helpful

[Connie@GIAC]

are you able to provide us an estimated official-release date?

As withENEMYin said, due to the different pulley ratios people have, we are still gathering our data to put together a more accurate release. We don't want one person running a different ratio/setup than us to think that results are only for that set up, etc. However, I can confirm that the B8 file is available to our dealers for installation.

We are working steadily with Loe, who has been very helpful and diligent on his end, to get the B8.5 file out as soon as possible. We have no estimated release date yet.

Once everything is finalized, you can expect to see the official B8/B8.5 release post on our Facebook and forums.

[Moose88x]

As withENEMYin said, due to the different pulley ratios people have, we are still gathering our data to put together a more accurate release. We don't want one person running a different ratio/setup than us to think that results are only for that set up, etc. However, I can confirm that the B8 file is available to our dealers for installation.

We are working steadily with Loe, who has been very helpful and diligent on his end, to get the B8.5 file out as soon as possible. We have no estimated release date yet.

Once everything is finalized, you can expect to see the official B8/B8.5 release post on our Facebook and forums.

Any idea what it will cost to go from APR stage 2+ to GIAC dual pulley (gonna run 186mm). Maybe cut a guy a break for switching from APR to GIAC

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[Thurston]

What kind of actual gains are you seeing going from a stage 2 dual pulley to a dual pulley specific tune?

The dual pulley game desperately needs some documented numbers. It's very confusing as to what you can expect to put down based on this mm and this and that . . . Hopefully in time it will become clearer or maybe I haven't looked in the right place but it's all very hazy to me (and unfortunately I'm a 93 only guy due to availability).

[whiped]

The dual pulley game desperately needs some documented numbers. It's very confusing as to what you can expect to put down based on this mm and this and that . . . Hopefully in time it will become clearer or maybe I haven't looked in the right place but it's all very hazy to me (and unfortunately I'm a 93 only guy due to availability).

Don't complain, I am stuck with awful 92 with 10% Ethanol at the pump.

Granted, I plan to run meth to remedy the issue

[theweebabyseamus]

Must be nice. ACN 91 is for the birds

[1975audi]

Is dual pulley even worth it if you don't have e85 available?

[Rex Wilkinson]

Is dual pulley even worth it if you don't have e85 available?

That is what I was wondering. Will you be able to run a DP file on 93? e85 is not an option for me because of availability.

[Q5OnTheMove]

949-470-1080
Guys, give GIAC a call. They answer right away and will tell you what's needed based on your situation. Seth and Logan are super helpful.

[Loe]

The dual pulley game desperately needs some documented numbers. It's very confusing as to what you can expect to put down based on this mm and this and that . . . Hopefully in time it will become clearer or maybe I haven't looked in the right place but it's all very hazy to me (and unfortunately I'm a 93 only guy due to availability).

The only thing you can really document that would be objective across the board is pulley size, pulley ratio, and S/C rpm, these would not change based on environmental factors. There are too many other variables to document HP #'s unless the s/c pulley, crank pulley, and fuel quality is standard across the board.

93 octane works just fine with an AWE S/C pulley + a 194mm crank pulley. I ran straight 93 during my test/beta phase and was able to get near peak timing on the pump file in near 2000 D/A's and mid/upper 80's weather FWIW (...I only needed about 20% ethanol to clean it up in hotter weather). On a colder day, I would venture to say that I would hit all targets just fine without the extra ethanol.

The flexible nature of this file is the most impressive part, Garrett/GIAC really nailed it here as it should cover a broad base of available pulley sizes/fuel that potential customers already currently have or use.

[mrmomo313]

What's so specific about the 2010 B8 in regards to this? If anything, I would have seriously thought it would be the B8.5 cars that needed it since some of those piss their pants on Stage 2 due to weaker in-tank LPFP from the factory or some junk. Nothing was ever concrete on that if Audi did it on purpose or there were just a few that had bad batches of pumps that worked fine stock but fell on their face when tuned, so I'm just assuming here a little. haha

Don't know specifics on why the 2010 doesn't produce the necessary pressures.

I was peaking at low 12xxxkPa before the kit. Loe was peaking low 13xxx iirc. Now I can hit high 13xxxkPa.
That said, things might change slightly once I swap my lpfp. I believe it's giving out on me as I'm seeing fluctuations in pressure up top on the race file (in cabin i get sputtering up top that littledozer also experienced on a failing lpfp). I'll update this post if anything changes with the new lpfp.

[613B6]

Great to hear it's out, I'll call my local GIAC dealer Monday and setup a time for the flash. Is their tcu tune as well or is their original dsg tune still good?