need advice. Trading in a very new car

[autobite]

Hey you guys,

I'm new to the audi world and purchased my very first audi in may, a 2016 audi a6 3.0t. It's a absolutely a great car but I kind of want a bit more power and the sound of an s6, s7. So my question is, would I be taking a major hit if I try to trade in my new car for a s6? Thanks in advance for your help.

[AudiTechS4]

just go to a dealership and ask

[Q5 Bob]

Hey you guys,

I'm new to the audi world and purchased my very first audi in may, a 2016 audi a6 3.0t. It's a absolutely a great car but I kind of want a bit more power and the sound of an s6, s7. So my question is, would I be taking a major hit if I try to trade in my new car for a s6? Thanks in advance for your help.

You'll definitely take a hit. A good way to get an idea of how much would be to check someplace like KBB, Edmunds etc. That will give you a ballpark idea of what your '16 A6 is worth on trade in or private sale.

[flyfishing]

yes you will take a hit.

[Scooter1]

In short yes most likely but depends on how it is equipped and the mileage. My local dealer is selling a 2016 premium plus for 47K so they probably traded it for 3-5K less than that


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[cohall]

A car typically loses 10-15 percent of it's value once it goes from 'New' to 'Used', even if it's low miles and wear. You are trading in a used car at this point...so take the price you paid, multiply by at least 10%, and that's the hit you'll take at a minimum.

Of course, since you're upgrading, you may be able to work it from the other end a bit with dealer.

[Davor_]

You will take a hit but your best bet is to go in and talk directly to gsm and play the loyalty card.
Also if you have a good sales guy he can help you if he wants a sale.

[agent47]

You will take a good hit regardless. Just to put everything straight- if your car was 70k sticker, you are probably looking at getting 55ish for it since the dealer would sell it for 58 or so. The best they could do for you on an S would be an invoice sale. Tbh- getting an invoice sale is not that tough. So technically there is no way to mitigate the hit you would take on the A.

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[autobite]

A car typically loses 10-15 percent of it's value once it goes from 'New' to 'Used', even if it's low miles and wear. You are trading in a used car at this point...so take the price you paid, multiply by at least 10%, and that's the hit you'll take at a minimum.

Of course, since you're upgrading, you may be able to work it from the other end a bit with dealer.

lol the hit I'd take would be about the price difference from what I would have paid if I just got a s6 in the first place. welp.

[pkny]

If you didn't want to loose out on the residual and increase performance. You can try a tune with pulley upgrade. It may give you the power your looking, but it would void your warranty.

I think a tuned 3.0t is comparable to the V8. You will be missing the sound though.

[DirtyVegasTT]

3.0T is a good engine. Enjoy it now, then get a bigger engine later. You can always chip the 3.0T and it will be a quick car with no lag.

[wwhan]

If you didn't want to loose out on the residual and increase performance. You can try a tune with pulley upgrade. It may give you the power your looking, but it would void your warranty.

I think a tuned 3.0t is comparable to the V8. You will be missing the sound though.

A tuned (stage 2) 3.0t has instant low end power, unlike the V8, that even when tuned (Stage 1) is strong in the midrange, without the instant offline power (unless using launch control).

[BKN718]

A tuned (stage 2) 3.0t has instant low end power, unlike the V8, that even when tuned (Stage 1) is strong in the midrange, without the instant offline power (unless using launch control).

^This


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[goliath1]

A car typically loses 10-15 percent of it's value once it goes from 'New' to 'Used', even if it's low miles and wear. You are trading in a used car at this point...so take the price you paid, multiply by at least 10%, and that's the hit you'll take at a minimum.

Of course, since you're upgrading, you may be able to work it from the other end a bit with dealer.

Everyone drives a used car!!

[autobite]

If you didn't want to loose out on the residual and increase performance. You can try a tune with pulley upgrade. It may give you the power your looking, but it would void your warranty.

I think a tuned 3.0t is comparable to the V8. You will be missing the sound though.

Will most likely go this route later down the line. For now I'm thinking I'll just keep it and put a awe exhaust and intake on it. In reality, I'm no race car driver but just regret not spending the extra amount for the s6. You live and learn.

[mjfloyd1]

If you didn't want to loose out on the residual and increase performance. You can try a tune with pulley upgrade. It may give you the power your looking, but it would void your warranty.

I think a tuned 3.0t is comparable to the V8. You will be missing the sound though.

Has any tuner been able to tune a 2016 3.0 T?

[parkstr8]

Huge hit. I traded a '15 Q70S and 16' S5 in for a single S6. I took double the hit - and both my cars were pristine. The S5 fared better than the Infiniti. Shop it around...try to minimize it if possible. But don't expect miracles. The best you can probably hope for is a discount big enough on the S to help make up for some of the depreciation on the A - that way it will kind of balance out where you are just paying sticker for the new one.

[agent47]

No tune available yet for the 16 3.0t engines. Quite a few piggybox are out there though.

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[autobite]

I appreciate all the help and advice. from what everyone said, it doesn't look like a feasible idea for me to upgrade to an S. I'll keep the A and do the appropriate mods to give me that extra boost. I'll wait for the tune and hopefully by that time I will feel comfortable doing it and voiding the warranty. On that note, anyone know how I can get more of the grumbling popping sound the S does on my A? lol.

[tenspeed]

On that note, anyone know how I can get more of the grumbling popping sound the S does on my A? lol.

I'm really pleased with the AWE touring exhaust on my 3.0L A7. It's quiet unless I'm on the gas. I also added a Injen intake that lets some supercharger sounds escape. My next performance mods will probably be a EPL tune that allows me to flash back to stock from home before heading to the dealer for service.

[Ze_Nardo6]

The 3.0T is a badass engine...intake, exhaust (only for sound), pulley, tune. 450hp. Night and day from where you are now.

I've driven a lot of cars, including twinscrew/root style blown american v8 and the 3.0T probably has the best low-end throttle response I've ever felt. The powerband is intoxicating.

[dnbdamian]

Wait for the new s6 with the new virtual cockpit at this point. Of you're gonna take a hit, make it worthwhile :)

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[sciblades]

I'm sorry but anyone who says a stage 2 tuned a6 is anything like a s6 should be shot, for one a stg2 a6 is slower than a stock s6 the fuel economy is so much worse, there is almost no lag on , 4.0tt let alone a tuned one.

Just pick up a used face lifted s6, you won't take a hit if you find a nice used one, you can find a ton of them.

To add the new a6 you cannot tune and with the way the new pulley is installed it would need a crank pulley since the supercharger pulley doesn't come off anymore. Not to mention the new ecu.

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[gta7]

I can definitely relate I wish I picked up an S7 as well. My A7 is fully loaded with the s-line option. I thought that would be enough.

I've decided to enjoy it for a few years and hopefully there is a beautiful rs7 in 2020 that I plan on upgrading to.

[zcd2.7t]

I'm sorry but anyone who says a stage 2 tuned a6 is anything like a s6 should be shot...

A bit of an overstatement, IMO. My tune-only B8 S4 ran 12.4 @ 111, my stock S6 runs 12.19 (12.2) at 113 - not a big difference at all. Of course an A6 would be a bit slower yet, but hardly slow, and certainly in the ballpark with a stock S6.

Also, the 3.0T's throttle response is untouchable, in my experience. It's the one thing I miss most after moving to the S6...

[Scooter1]

A bit of an overstatement, IMO. My tune-only B8 S4 ran 12.4 @ 111, my stock S6 runs 12.19 (12.2) at 113 - not a big difference at all. Of course an A6 would be a bit slower yet, but hardly slow, and certainly in the ballpark with a stock S6.

Also, the 3.0T's throttle response is untouchable, in my experience. It's the one thing I miss most after moving to the S6...

Totally unrelated question but thinking about adding a 2015 RS5 to the garage. Thoughts on the 4.2 V8? Rumor is when RS5 comes back it will be V6 twin turbo. Yes I have a 2016 S7 that I'm keeping but I drove the RS5 and is a totally different driving experience. Thoughts?


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[sciblades]

A bit of an overstatement, IMO. My tune-only B8 S4 ran 12.4 @ 111, my stock S6 runs 12.19 (12.2) at 113 - not a big difference at all. Of course an A6 would be a bit slower yet, but hardly slow, and certainly in the ballpark with a stock S6.

Also, the 3.0T's throttle response is untouchable, in my experience. It's the one thing I miss most after moving to the S6...

Comparing a zf slush to a dl501 is not close. I will pull up a video of a stock s6 vs a stage 2 s4 that [email protected] made it was an not as close as the numbers would suggest, that besides the performance the interior mods, sports diff.

I had a b8 s4 when they came out, I have a q7 3.0t that is stage 2 I am well versed on the engine and it's drawbacks. The s4 is a totally different car than the a6 and slower not to mention his ecu and pulley cannot be removed or tuned at this time.



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[Ze_Nardo6]

I'm sorry but anyone who says a stage 2 tuned a6 is anything like a s6 should be shot, for one a stg2 a6 is slower than a stock s6 the fuel economy is so much worse, there is almost no lag on , 4.0tt let alone a tuned one.

Just pick up a used face lifted s6, you won't take a hit if you find a nice used one, you can find a ton of them.

To add the new a6 you cannot tune and with the way the new pulley is installed it would need a crank pulley since the supercharger pulley doesn't come off anymore. Not to mention the new ecu.

I've owned a stage 2 3.0T (although in an S4, not an A6), and they are 100% in the same league as a stock S6. Stage 2 3.0T S4 are running 11.8-12.0 in the quarter which would more than likely translate to a 12.0-12.2 for a heavier A6, right on par with a stock S6.

And as I, and others, have stated above, the throttle response of the 3.0T cannot be matched.

[flyfishing]

find a b8 s5 with the older 4.2l with a supercharger slapped on it :)

[Ze_Nardo6]

find a b8 s5 with the older 4.2l with a supercharger slapped on it :)

The b8 cars had the 3.0T engine. b7 had the N/A v8

[sciblades]

The b8 cars had the 3.0T engine. b7 had the N/A v8

B8 had a 4.2 (worst engine ever) the cab had a 3.0t they put the 3.0t in the b8.5

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[sciblades]

I've owned a stage 2 3.0T (although in an S4, not an A6), and they are 100% in the same league as a stock S6. Stage 2 3.0T S4 are running 11.8-12.0 in the quarter which would more than likely translate to a 12.0-12.2 for a heavier A6, right on par with a stock S6.

And as I, and others, have stated above, the throttle response of the 3.0T cannot be matched.

I will once again state he cannot tune his a6, not to mention a 4.0tt is a way better engine 3.0t is a dying platform, once the new s4 comes out no one will think about using a supercharger again. Look at the stage 3 apr cars and what a disaster they where Richi can chime in here.

I don't understand anyone here that can say they would rather have a b8.5 s4 or a6 over a s6. You couldn't pay me to go back to the 3.0t platform.

Not to mention a stage 1 s6 goes 11.4/5, it us a pointless argument anyone who has a a6 chose so because of their desired power goals or financial budget not because it is a better car than a s6

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[Ze_Nardo6]

B8 had a 4.2 (worst engine ever) the cab had a 3.0t they put the 3.0t in the b8.5

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Just saw he said S5, whoops.

[Ze_Nardo6]

I will once again state he cannot tune his a6, not to mention a 4.0tt is a way better engine 3.0t is a dying platform, once the new s4 comes out no one will think about using a supercharger again. Look at the stage 3 apr cars and what a disaster they where Richi can chime in here.

I don't understand anyone here that can say they would rather have a b8.5 s4 or a6 over a s6. You couldn't pay me to go back to the 3.0t platform.

Not to mention a stage 1 s6 goes 11.4/5, it us a pointless argument anyone who has a a6 chose so because of their desired power goals or financial budget not because it is a better car than a s6

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I don't think anyone here is making the argument that they would rather have a modified A6 over an S6. The only suggestion made to the OP, in order to take less of a hit, was to keep his A6 a bit longer and to add a few things to it. The A6 can be tuned (eventually, not at the moment), stage 1. However, it cannot go to stage 2 via supercharger pulley swap. It can go stage 2 via crank pulley swap.

The argument myself and a few others were making is that the 3.0T can be made reasonably quick for not a lot of coin. Tough to argue that.

[agent47]

I've owned a stage 2 3.0T (although in an S4, not an A6), and they are 100% in the same league as a stock S6. Stage 2 3.0T S4 are running 11.8-12.0 in the quarter which would more than likely translate to a 12.0-12.2 for a heavier A6, right on par with a stock S6.

And as I, and others, have stated above, the throttle response of the 3.0T cannot be matched.

I agree with this totally. However, more of Nikko (Sciblades)'s point is that the new 3.0T cant be tuned at this time. The only option we have is a few of piggyback devices- which personally I am not very sure of. And tbh, I am also keeping an eye out for a cpo s6.

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[Carl Weathers]

I agree with this totally. However, more of Nikko (Sciblades)'s point is that the new 3.0T cant be tuned at this time. The only option we have is a few of piggyback devices- which personally I am not very sure of. And tbh, I am also keeping an eye out for a cpo s6.

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Same here. Now I'm kicking myself for spending the money on the AWE exhaust and Stage 2 APR tune which is honestly the only thing keeping me from ditching both the A6 and my GTO for a low mileage S6.

[autobite]

I don't think anyone here is making the argument that they would rather have a modified A6 over an S6. The only suggestion made to the OP, in order to take less of a hit, was to keep his A6 a bit longer and to add a few things to it. The A6 can be tuned (eventually, not at the moment), stage 1. However, it cannot go to stage 2 via supercharger pulley swap. It can go stage 2 via crank pulley swap.

The argument myself and a few others were making is that the 3.0T can be made reasonably quick for not a lot of coin. Tough to argue that.

This man is right. I don't think anyone here is comparing an A6 to S6. I'm just trying to ration to keep the A6 and do some upgrades that will make me happy. Regardless I kick myself for not just dishing out the extra for the S6 but I can't get myself to take that 10 to 15k hit. When all is said and done, I'm no race car driver nor do I plan on taking the car to the track (well maybe once in a while lol). The reason why I originally posted this was to see what the damage would be if I traded it in for a S6 and if anyone recommended it.

I am aware that there is tune for my car currently but I guess that works out in my favor so I don't void the warranty so soon. Appreciate everyones input regardless.

[Ze_Nardo6]

This man is right. I don't think anyone here is comparing an A6 to S6. I'm just trying to ration to keep the A6 and do some upgrades that will make me happy. Regardless I kick myself for not just dishing out the extra for the S6 but I can't get myself to take that 10 to 15k hit. When all is said and done, I'm no race car driver nor do I plan on taking the car to the track (well maybe once in a while lol). The reason why I originally posted this was to see what the damage would be if I traded it in for a S6 and if anyone recommended it.

I am aware that there is tune for my car currently but I guess that works out in my favor so I don't void the warranty so soon. Appreciate everyones input regardless.

Can't hurt to shop around though! See what kind of deal you can work with a dealership with a trade in. You know you're going to take a hit but it may be worth it if the dealer can help mitigate some of the pain. Can always walk out if not happy.

[autobite]

Can't hurt to shop around though! See what kind of deal you can work with a dealership with a trade in. You know you're going to take a hit but it may be worth it if the dealer can help mitigate some of the pain. Can always walk out if not happy.

this is true. We have a fellow forum member on here that actually works at a dealer near me that I contacted but haven't heard from yet. lol