Know this turbos?

[2000s4_m]

Anyone here using "turbo concepts"? Just came across this website and i search and didnt found that many info in forums, i found that flyboy commented on his website of this turbos last year but no actuall test on them i believe. They claim to be built and balance in michigan facility

Www.turboconcepts.net


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[S4James]

They look awfully familiar. Must be another variation of china/taiwan sourced parts.

Interesting.

[S4tech2]

Looks just like the srm k24

[kj6304]

The reminder is you get what you paid for.

[NOTORIOUS VR]

Hilarious..

WARNING this turbo might not be for you. Your 2.7 car will need every upgrade there is to take advantage of these upgrade turbos, and if you follow through with it all your car will produce so much power it’ll be scary. You cannot let anyone borrow your car, you cannot drive hard in the elements, and it is not street legal in a lot of places. “This upgrade is for off-road and track use only!” You’ve been warned.

[FlyboyS4]

Anyone here using "turbo concepts"? Just came across this website and i search and didnt found that many info in forums, i found that flyboy commented on his website of this turbos last year but no actuall test on them i believe. They claim to be built and balance in michigan facility

I'm doubtful that you'll find much user feedback on their turbo's at this point, I've looked into it and there doesn't seem to be much available yet.

My interaction with turbo concepts has been positive thus far. When I have emailed them they have written back. They have a phone number. When I've called the phone number a person answers the call. I've spoken with them for a couple of hours and found them to be willing to discuss their products. From a customer service standpoint things have looked good.

The products for the B5 S4 appear to be unproven thus far. I'm very interested in seeing how the stage 1 turbo performs as it is intended as a replacement for the RS4 K04, and with a smaller compressor wheel than most of the other K04-hybrid alternatives, and a different turbine wheel than the K04, it has some potential to be a good match for my goals.

I have not looked into the stage 2 and stage 3 products as for now they aren't the flavor I'm after.

[NOTORIOUS VR]

I'm doubtful that you'll find much user feedback on their turbo's at this point, I've looked into it and there doesn't seem to be much available yet.

My interaction with turbo concepts has been positive thus far. When I have emailed them they have written back. They have a phone number. When I've called the phone number a person answers the call. I've spoken with them for a couple of hours and found them to be willing to discuss their products. From a customer service standpoint things have looked good.

The products for the B5 S4 appear to be unproven thus far. I'm very interested in seeing how the stage 1 turbo performs as it is intended as a replacement for the RS4 K04, and with a smaller compressor wheel than most of the other K04-hybrid alternatives, and a different turbine wheel than the K04, it has some potential to be a good match for my goals.

I have not looked into the stage 2 and stage 3 products as for now they aren't the flavor I'm after.

Honestly, why don't you just make up your own turbo at this point? It's not like these companies know what they're doing... you probably have a better idea then they do.

[FlyboyS4]

Honestly, why don't you just make up your own turbo at this point? It's not like these companies know what they're doing... you probably have a better idea then they do.

I have contacted some vendors who do that type of work, but I'm not interested in a custom setup for only myself.

[NOTORIOUS VR]

I have contacted some vendors who do that type of work, but I'm not interested in a custom setup for only myself.

Why not... get a couple wheels, some housings and start swapping them around and testing...

[shepa401]

I'm doubtful that you'll find much user feedback on their turbo's at this point, I've looked into it and there doesn't seem to be much available yet.

My interaction with turbo concepts has been positive thus far. When I have emailed them they have written back. They have a phone number. When I've called the phone number a person answers the call. I've spoken with them for a couple of hours and found them to be willing to discuss their products. From a customer service standpoint things have looked good.

The products for the B5 S4 appear to be unproven thus far. I'm very interested in seeing how the stage 1 turbo performs as it is intended as a replacement for the RS4 K04, and with a smaller compressor wheel than most of the other K04-hybrid alternatives, and a different turbine wheel than the K04, it has some potential to be a good match for my goals.

I have not looked into the stage 2 and stage 3 products as for now they aren't the flavor I'm after.

I have a friend who recently installed a set of TM5 turbos from Turbo Concepts on his Allroad. He mentioned that build quality was pretty good.

[sakihomo]

I have a friend who recently installed a set of TM5 turbos from Turbo Concepts on his Allroad. He mentioned that build quality was pretty good.

And in sure the opinion was based on metalurgy and tolerance! He probably had the same opinion about his harbor freight air tools...

[S4James]

Well the description does say "best turbos ev4r!" therefore they must be good.

[2000s4_m]

I have a friend who recently installed a set of TM5 turbos from Turbo Concepts on his Allroad. He mentioned that build quality was pretty good.

You can get the worst and cheapest turbo from china and for most of us it will look nice because is new. Most of the things that matter are inside, like journals, thrust bearings, seals and most important the balance process. Have your friend update us with some info, miles driven, @ psi, spool @ rpm etc...


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[sb_gli]

I am the friend in question and I do agree that harbor freight tools are the best. Instead of posting my opinion about these turbos I will post my logs. I will tell you in advance, don't expect anything different that on any other hybrid turbo on the market as far as performance is concerned. As far as build quality is concerned and the components used give them a call. The owner of turbo concepts is very knowledgeable and his expertise of turbo chargers goes far beyond creating hybrid turbos for audi and vw.

[redline380]

I am the friend in question and I do agree that harbor freight tools are the best.

This alone disqualifies your opinion on anything else since harbor freight has objectively shitty tools.

[2000s4_m]

I am the friend in question and I do agree that harbor freight tools are the best. Instead of posting my opinion about these turbos I will post my logs. I will tell you in advance, don't expect anything different that on any other hybrid turbo on the market as far as performance is concerned. As far as build quality is concerned and the components used give them a call. The owner of turbo concepts is very knowledgeable and his expertise of turbo chargers goes far beyond creating hybrid turbos for audi and vw.

What stage you got? Miles driven? This is good man, first hand info on this turbos


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[FlyboyS4]

Instead of posting my opinion about these turbos I will post my logs. I will tell you in advance, don't expect anything different that on any other hybrid turbo on the market as far as performance is concerned.

Which product, and was it before or after the turbine wheel change?

[sb_gli]

This alone disqualifies your opinion on anything else since harbor freight has objectively shitty tools.

You are right. I guess my real life data won't mean anything then. I'll just keep my logs to myself.

But seriously, I will do my best to get a log and screen shot of a WOT run posted tonight.

[sb_gli]

Which product, and was it before or after the turbine wheel change?

At the time I bought the turbos (last year) they were called TM5. Now I think they've changed branding a bit and I am not sure what other components have changed, I believe they are VERY similar to this:

http://turboconcepts.net/cars/dzx-27...age-1-upgrade/

[sakihomo]

I am the friend in question and I do agree that harbor freight tools are the best. Instead of posting my opinion about these turbos I will post my logs. I will tell you in advance, don't expect anything different that on any other hybrid turbo on the market as far as performance is concerned. As far as build quality is concerned and the components used give them a call. The owner of turbo concepts is very knowledgeable and his expertise of turbo chargers goes far beyond creating hybrid turbos for audi and vw.

Did he "wow" you with something like this?

[sb_gli]

Did he "wow" you with something like this?

Do you have anything of value to add to this thread or you just trollin'?

[Zba]

That is the best video ever!! "drawn reciprocation dinglearm to reduce sinesoidal depleneration" LOL!!!

[FlyboyS4]

At the time I bought the turbos (last year) they were called TM5. Now I think they've changed branding a bit and I am not sure what other components have changed, I believe they are VERY similar to this:

http://turboconcepts.net/cars/dzx-27...age-1-upgrade/

I don't know the relationship between Turbo Concepts and Kraftwerk Turbo, but it does seem they have some connections. If I were to guess it would be that Turbo Concepts built something for Kraftwerk in the past and now Turbo Concepts is selling a product under their own name.

I thought the TM5 was a RS6/K04 hybrid, whereas the Turbo Concepts Stage 1 is a RS4/K04-like product.

The TC turbine wheel was changed over the past couple of months and apparently just now being introduced to the product line.

[redline380]

You are right. I guess my real life data won't mean anything then. I'll just keep my logs to myself.

But seriously, I will do my best to get a log and screen shot of a WOT run posted tonight.

I said your opinion is disqualified. Facts are always welcomed

[sb_gli]

I don't know the relationship between Turbo Concepts and Kraftwerk Turbo, but it does seem they have some connections. If I were to guess it would be that Turbo Concepts built something for Kraftwerk in the past and now Turbo Concepts is selling a product under their own name.

Pretty sure you hit the nail on the head. I believe Kraftwerk introduced the idea of building hybrid turbos for the audi/vw to Turbo Concepts and it just took off from there.

When I get to posting my logs, I will also post pics of the turbos that were installed on my allroad. You can be the judge of how they compare to the current product line, but I do believe it's very similar their current "Stage I" offering.

[sb_gli]

These are the turbos that I installed on my allroad.

[jpurre]

Do those turbine blades look like galvanized steel instead of inconel, or is it just the lighting in the pic?

[FlyboyS4]

These are the turbos that I installed on my allroad.

The tag is turbo concepts. I saw someone with a TC product they obtained from Diverse Motorworks. It would seem a few vendors have had access to the TC products.

It appears that TC has slightly changed the product from that shown in your photo.

[sb_gli]

I would agree with that.

If anyone wants more information from TC, I suggest you call them. They are super personable and very knowledgeable and I am sure they will give you all the details you want to know about their products.

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Do those turbine blades look like galvanized steel instead of inconel, or is it just the lighting in the pic?

lighting.

[FlyboyS4]

Do those turbine blades look like galvanized steel instead of inconel, or is it just the lighting in the pic?

Where are you seeing turbine blades? I only see one photo of the compressor side.

[S4James]

That is the best video ever!! "drawn reciprocation dinglearm to reduce sinesoidal depleneration" LOL!!!

number one cause of chinese turbo failure is excessive side fumbling.

[2000s4_m]

Where are you seeing turbine blades? I only see one photo of the compressor side.

I guess hes looking at the website, i think theres a pic of turbine side


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[sb_gli]

Data:

3rd gear log

4th Gear log

3rd gear log stops short of 6,000rpm, 4th gear is here to show spool up

[vtraudt]

I don't know the relationship between Turbo Concepts and Kraftwerk Turbo, but it does seem they have some connections. If I were to guess it would be that Turbo Concepts built something for Kraftwerk in the past and now Turbo Concepts is selling a product under their own name.

KraftwerkTurbo started the development of turbos that provide 'useable power' (unlike the 'big turbo' that were readily available at the time, and one turbo from Frankenturbo) and 'daily driver, fully bolt on, full stock safeties' solutions (not just dumping a turbo on a customer).

From the beginning, the actual manufacturing of those turbos were done locally at Turbo Concepts.

Then new generation of turbos themselves (new billet compressors, new high flow turbines, wastegate actuator with different stiffness, etc) are now also marketed through Turbo Concepts. KraftwerkTurbo maintains their 'TorqueMaster' TM nomenclature for the complete solutions/packages build around the turbo.

Turbo Concepts has been a TURBO ONLY BRICK AND MORTAR turbo manufacturer in Michigan for over 20 years. Manufacturing, machining, assembly, VSR balancing are all done in Michigan.

Aside from the line of Audi turbos, Turbo Concepts is highly regarded for their very successful Subaru turbos (again, emphasis on useable power vs. Friday night bragging rights peak HP figures).

[S4James]

meh.. 4+ second fats if I had to guess from the logs.. not terribly impressive.

but perhaps im missing something.

[FlyboyS4]

KraftwerkTurbo started the development of turbos that provide 'useable power' (unlike the 'big turbo' that were readily available at the time, and one turbo from Frankenturbo) and 'daily driver, fully bolt on, full stock safeties' solutions (not just dumping a turbo on a customer).

I may have asked this before, do you have any 2.7T logs for these turbo's that provide useable power?

Which turbo is the one in the log above?

I already tossed all my skepticism out there in a different thread about your company, I won't bother rehashing the points. In for data rather than continued speculation.

[sakihomo]

KraftwerkTurbo started the development of turbos that provide 'useable power' (unlike the 'big turbo' that were readily available at the time, and one turbo from Frankenturbo) and 'daily driver, fully bolt on, full stock safeties' solutions (not just dumping a turbo on a customer).

From the beginning, the actual manufacturing of those turbos were done locally at Turbo Concepts.

Then new generation of turbos themselves (new billet compressors, new high flow turbines, wastegate actuator with different stiffness, etc) are now also marketed through Turbo Concepts. KraftwerkTurbo maintains their 'TorqueMaster' TM nomenclature for the complete solutions/packages build around the turbo.

Turbo Concepts has been a TURBO ONLY BRICK AND MORTAR turbo manufacturer in Michigan for over 20 years. Manufacturing, machining, assembly, VSR balancing are all done in Michigan.

Aside from the line of Audi turbos, Turbo Concepts is highly regarded for their very successful Subaru turbos (again, emphasis on useable power vs. Friday night bragging rights peak HP figures).

The shops that are legitimately building and balancing turbos have shown shop pics, VSR balancers etc, with clear branding to associate the machinery and process with the brand. I think you would put this all to rest if they could show some pictures of their "brick and mortar" manufacturing facility to back up the claims - 2c

[jibberjive]

What are the sizes of the 'stage 3' wheels (both turbine and compressor inducer/exducer)?

[sb_gli]

The only modifications to my allroad other than the these turbos are piggy pipes and 550 ev14 injectors. I still have the stock MAF.

[sb_gli]

The shops that are legitimately building and balancing turbos have shown shop pics, VSR balancers etc, with clear branding to associate the machinery and process with the brand. I think you would put this all to rest if they could show some pictures of their "brick and mortar" manufacturing facility to back up the claims - 2c

I don't think they owe that to you.