Holy cow sway bars + alu kruez are awesome!

[flyfishing]

Today I had 034 rear sway bar, end links, alu kruez, 034 differential/motor/transmission mounts + laser jammer install at Brink Motorsports in Austin.

Holy cow! The addition of new rear sway (I set it on soft vs firm) and alu kruez makes the car seem like a totally new car. The body rolls is GREATLY reduced. I can turn (normal or harder) and it doesn't feel like a boat. I went with 034 vs eurocode after reading how you need to get front and rear eurocode (much bigger cost vs 034), how some said you got the same effect with just 034 rear and for me when I went to order eurocode was out of stock. Glad I went with 034 and saved money.

I got ALP laser jammer and have to change it from parking sensor to jammer, but can't wait to jam some LEOs!

Anyhow, IMO the sway + alu kruez transforms vehicle and is a great mod for price. FYI I think my install charge for sway + kruez + differential was about 300. I cannot comment on the mounts b/c I am not really sure what to feel for and have not shifted hard to tell yet. But the body roll, I can def notice.

[saxon]

nice, thanks for the review!

[DoughBoyFreshLV]

Nice I'm dying to get that sway bar

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[S5_newbie]

Today I had 034 rear sway bar, end links, alu kruez, 034 differential/motor/transmission mounts + laser jammer install at Brink Motorsports in Austin.

Holy cow! The addition of new rear sway (I set it on soft vs firm) and alu kruez makes the car seem like a totally new car. The body rolls is GREATLY reduced. I can turn (normal or harder) and it doesn't feel like a boat. I went with 034 vs eurocode after reading how you need to get front and rear eurocode (much bigger cost vs 034), how some said you got the same effect with just 034 rear and for me when I went to order eurocode was out of stock. Glad I went with 034 and saved money.

I got ALP laser jammer and have to change it from parking sensor to jammer, but can't wait to jam some LEOs!

Anyhow, IMO the sway + alu kruez transforms vehicle and is a great mod for price. FYI I think my install charge for sway + kruez + differential was about 300. I cannot comment on the mounts b/c I am not really sure what to feel for and have not shifted hard to tell yet. But the body roll, I can def notice.

On my wish list!!!

[Ze_Nardo6]

I have always thrown tons of suspension components on all my cars to help with stiffness/body-roll/turning. At some point, the car always becomes less comfortable to passengers in my cars which kills some of the daily driveability. Does it feel rougher on the ride or does the air suspension really help counter some of that? I'm just trying to decide how far I want to take the suspension enhancements with my S6 given I have the sport diff.

[flyfishing]

I don't notice suspension any rougher during normal driving and I have it on dynamic. I only notice the effects of it during turning or instances where this is body roll.

I will see if myf fiancé complains or makes a comment and report back :)

[wwhan]

I have always thrown tons of suspension components on all my cars to help with stiffness/body-roll/turning. At some point, the car always becomes less comfortable to passengers in my cars which kills some of the daily driveability. Does it feel rougher on the ride or does the air suspension really help counter some of that? I'm just trying to decide how far I want to take the suspension enhancements with my S6 given I have the sport diff.

The Eurocode front/rear sways and end links don't seem to cause any issues with the S6 in comfort mode suspension. It feels OK even on our pot hole roads.

[Ze_Nardo6]

I don't notice suspension any rougher during normal driving and I have it on dynamic. I only notice the effects of it during turning or instances where this is body roll.

I will see if myf fiancé complains or makes a comment and report back :)

LOL the ultimate test! I find it more difficult as the driver to notice harshness of ride. Easy to detect better stability/handling but not so much discomfort. Passengers are the best test.

[mbordeianu]

Where did you purchase the sway bar and links?

[fatboydelights]

Is your car lowered? This may be the next mod. Will have to read up about eurocode vs 034.

[Kevin1]

The sway bars are a huge upgrade. Really no real world downside.

[flyfishing]

Yes car is lowered via VCDS. I have 10 and 12 mm spacers on it. I purchased them from VR racing b/c they let me pay over multiple gift cards that I had. Otherwise I'd just buy direct from 034.

I drove today and my fiance did not notice car roughness. I did turn hard to show her how there is less body roll and she noticed that too.

[MD4Babes]

I put on Eurocode front , rear, and Alu Kreuz about a month ago, and huge difference!! Was thinking about lowering the car with the VAG as well. Any problems with lowering and do you need to realign or camber the wheels when lowered?

[flyfishing]

I took it to a performance shop. The guy that I requested is pretty meticulous. He did not mention any need for alignment so I am assuming none is needed. I guess I will know as time goes on and if I see tire wear? (I searched on this forum and peoples said it was not required b/c remember the car raises and lowers on auto or dynamic too)

[flyfishing]

Just drove it much harder this evening. It' feels gooooood. This is how the car should have been set up. Guess these are just do mods for me now with any Audi. You've got to do it!!

[AdrianLee]

I have eurocode front and rear sway bars and they made a difference too. I wish the Alu Kruez was at the same price point as the b8 A4/S4 @ $400ish. $700 is a little steep in my opinion. They are the only ones that currently make it so I guess they can charge what they want...

Just drove it much harder this evening. It' feels gooooood. This is how the car should have been set up. Guess these are just do mods for me now with any Audi. You've got to do it!!

[Ze_Nardo6]

I have eurocode front and rear sway bars and they made a difference too. I wish the Alu Kruez was at the same price point as the b8 A4/S4 @ $400ish. $700 is a little steep in my opinion. They are the only ones that currently make it so I guess they can charge what they want...

I came from a B8 S4 as well and was a bit shocked seeing $700 for the Alu Kreuz! How could it possibly be almost double that of the S4 brace? Doesn't make sense to me.

Regarding the sway bars...can anyone comment on the difference between just going rear sway from 034 vs front and rear from eurocode?

[tenspeed]

Regarding the sway bars...can anyone comment on the difference between just going rear sway from 034 vs front and rear from eurocode?

A larger rear anti sway bar will make the car looser. Not a bad thing since the Audi's are nose heavy and tend to plow.

[P_G]

Looser in what sense? Just a rear bar on my previous car made the car taut and dialled out under steer without making what was already a harsh front end even worse.


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[Ze_Nardo6]

A larger rear anti sway bar will make the car looser. Not a bad thing since the Audi's are nose heavy and tend to plow.

Looser? Not sure I follow. Based on your response, I'm assuming the rear sway from 034 is thicker/larger than the rear from Eurocode. If that is the case, maybe the rear from 034 with the front from Eurocode could be a strong combo?

[Roadwarrior]

guessing he means dials in more oversteer:understeer.

[stingvb]

Looser? Not sure I follow. Based on your response, I'm assuming the rear sway from 034 is thicker/larger than the rear from Eurocode. If that is the case, maybe the rear from 034 with the front from Eurocode could be a strong combo?

The 034 rear is solid vs. the Eurocode hollow (probably explains the big weight difference from stock), and according to 034 was designed to be used with the stock front sway. I have the 034 and end links and my impression is that the car corners flatter and without all the excess body roll with the stock suspension. It also removes a lot of the front end "plowing" you get with the understeering stock setup. If you were going to do the Eurocode fronts, I would stick with the Eurocode rear bar since they were designed to be used together and the 034 was designed to be used with the stock front.

[flyfishing]

Another benefit so far is less rubbing bc less roll so that means I can lower more!

[Barritia]

So do these on lowered cars or do they require a adaptor kit like the eurocode set?

[flyfishing]

There is no adapter kit for 034. Only end links and sway bar for the c7

[wwhan]

I came from a B8 S4 as well and was a bit shocked seeing $700 for the Alu Kreuz! How could it possibly be almost double that of the S4 brace? Doesn't make sense to me......

+1

$700 seems pretty high for Alu Kreuz compared to the B8 S4. They must be factoring in the lower expected run rate into c7 mfr cost. I am not sure if it is worth it (value/cost) for the S6.

On the 034 rear sway, it seems the philosophy at 034 is to follow what worked on the older Audis that did not have the sport differential. Eurocode is just refining the OEM balanced setup, they are adjustable for preference.

[flyfishing]

If anyone with a6/7 is interested in the S brace and sway let me know.

I am betting that based on what I feel with these, anything thicker and more rigid will make your vehicle feel better.

[AdrianLee]

I came from a B8 S4 as well and was a bit shocked seeing $700 for the Alu Kreuz! How could it possibly be almost double that of the S4 brace? Doesn't make sense to me.

Regarding the sway bars...can anyone comment on the difference between just going rear sway from 034 vs front and rear from eurocode?

Maybe if we get enough people on here who want an Alu Kruez for their C7, they will give us a group purchase discount. I'd be willing to pay $550 Shipped. I think that is a reasonable price

[SilveR316]

Maybe if we get enough people on here who want an Alu Kruez for their C7, they will give us a group purchase discount. I'd be willing to pay $550 Shipped. I think that is a reasonable price

I'm hoping they run some Black Friday deals, but sign me up for a group buy if not.

[fatboydelights]

I'd be in on the group buy also

[AdrianLee]

Message sent to eurocode to see what they will do for a group buy. Hopefully something good will come out of it.

[Ze_Nardo6]

Message sent to eurocode to see what they will do for a group buy. Hopefully something good will come out of it.

Im in...but doubt they would go for $550. $600 is still a nice discount though still pricey.

[flyfishing]

It's cause they know if you can afford a c7, you prob can afford 800! (and that's prob quite true).

[Ze_Nardo6]

It's cause they know if you can afford a c7, you prob can afford 800! (and that's prob quite true).

Affordability and willingness to pay are two completely different things!

I can afford an $800 part but sure as hell am not willing to pay that much for that component. I would venture to say many others are in the same boat.

[SilveR316]

Affordability and willingness to pay are two completely different things!

I can afford an $800 part but sure as hell am not willing to pay that much for that component. I would venture to say many others are in the same boat.

Pretty much this.

If you're in a C7 and can't afford an $800 part, then you're in the wrong car. However, willingness to pay that much is another story. I have other things on my list of goodies that I would rather spend the $800 on. If the price were to come down to something more reasonable, then I'm sure the AK would get bumped up.

No one likes the luxury tax that companies put on car parts. I understand pricing it a bit higher than the A4/S4 equivalent part because of the extra material, but I fail to see how the part could possibly be worth almost double the price.

That being said... I don't think the EC has found the sweet spot for the pricing of the AK (as evident by the number of people willing to buy it as a slightly lower price point).

[Ze_Nardo6]

Pretty much this.

If you're in a C7 and can't afford an $800 part, then you're in the wrong car. However, willingness to pay that much is another story. I have other things on my list of goodies that I would rather spend the $800 on. If the price were to come down to something more reasonable, then I'm sure the AK would get bumped up.

No one likes the luxury tax that companies put on car parts. I understand pricing it a bit higher than the A4/S4 equivalent part because of the extra material, but I fail to see how the part could possibly be worth almost double the price.

That being said... I don't think the EC has found the sweet spot for the pricing of the AK (as evident by the number of people willing to buy it as a slightly lower price point).

Well elaborated. Had I not come from the B8 S4 world, where the AK is in the $400 range, maybe I wouldn't be as price shocked as I am now.

[wwhan]

Well elaborated. Had I not come from the B8 S4 world, where the AK is in the $400 range, maybe I wouldn't be as price shocked as I am now.

+1, S4 was much cheaper.

[AdrianLee]

Affordability and willingness to pay are two completely different things!

I can afford an $800 part but sure as hell am not willing to pay that much for that component. I would venture to say many others are in the same boat.

Yeah, what you said. That's where I'm at

[Logtec]

Today I had 034 rear sway bar, end links, alu kruez, 034 differential/motor/transmission mounts + laser jammer install at Brink Motorsports in Austin.

Holy cow! The addition of new rear sway (I set it on soft vs firm) and alu kruez makes the car seem like a totally new car. The body rolls is GREATLY reduced. I can turn (normal or harder) and it doesn't feel like a boat. I went with 034 vs eurocode after reading how you need to get front and rear eurocode (much bigger cost vs 034), how some said you got the same effect with just 034 rear and for me when I went to order eurocode was out of stock. Glad I went with 034 and saved money.

I got ALP laser jammer and have to change it from parking sensor to jammer, but can't wait to jam some LEOs!

Anyhow, IMO the sway + alu kruez transforms vehicle and is a great mod for price. FYI I think my install charge for sway + kruez + differential was about 300. I cannot comment on the mounts b/c I am not really sure what to feel for and have not shifted hard to tell yet. But the body roll, I can def notice.

I have the 034 rear sway, its great but the front end is still loose with lot of body roll in the front, does the 034 have alu kruez for the c7 platform?
Does anybody know, is the RS7 front sway stiffer, larger than the S7 front sway??

[G35C033]

I have the 034 rear sway, its great but the front end is still loose with lot of body roll in the front, does the 034 have alu kruez for the c7 platform?
Does anybody know, is the RS7 front sway stiffer, larger than the S7 front sway??

I would assume the RS7 front sway is stiffer/larger than the S7 front sway. The alu kruez is available for all C7-7.5 models. See the following from a respected performance shop in CT(specializing in Audi/VW/Porsche). I'm installing the ak in my RS7 soon:

We have done a few of the RS7 Alu Kreuz braces on the C7 chassis. One particularly on the RS7 but was the coil spring suspension, multiple S6/S7's with the 4.0T and a plethora of the B8 S4's. All of these chassis are large and heavy and they suffer from quite a bit of body roll even though they have a stiff factory suspension. The C7 S6/7/RS7 value this modification most though, and should be considered most definitely even though you don't plan to track the car. This is a piece that pre-exists in factory form however it is just stamped steel and not very rigid. The Eurocode brace is everything the OEM part wishes it could be. Made from lighter and stronger material, while being more rigid at the same time. These cars also take well to the sway bar upgrades. These cars need all the help they can get in the handling department! :)