What to build

[DixieViper]

Been a long time B6 S4 owner and purchased a 2001 b5 S4 not long ago for cheap. All it needs is for me to build the 01E trans and it will be running and driving. The question is I want to build a street legal race car of sorts. By brother has a stage 3 that is about to get rs6 turbos and I have to be faster than him. I was thinking of doing a twin gt2871r 2.7L build but I am contemplating a VR6 build. I know the 2.7 will top out about 700hp without taking out a mortgage but not sure on the VR6. I know USP has a bad ass VR6 and I would like something of that sorts. So let's hear the experts opinions.

[christianb5s4]

I'd check out some of the VR6 builds in the build section and see what other folks have done, there's a few builds going now that will be relevant to you.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/forumd...cts-amp-Builds

[Drehmoment]

VR6 if you want to be operational in a few years with lots of head aches and custom fabrication or Tial 770 and drive it in two to three months.

[S4tech2]

I'd check out some of the VR6 builds in the build section and see what other folks have done, there's a few builds going now that will be relevant to you.


http://www.audizine.com/forum/forumd...cts-amp-Builds

The builds in that section are descently vague about a lot of stuff. Can some one chime in who has done a vr6 build? The op and myself need some specifics that can't be found in the build section. I have personally emailed usp but I haven't heard a response. I am open to opinions.

[DixieViper]

Ok so what turbo setup will get me in the 9s? 2871s or 770s. Single turbo maybe?

[Bordom]

Ok so what turbo setup will get me in the 9s? 2871s or 770s. Single turbo maybe?

There was a Polish car that had twins and went 9s way back when. I read up on it a few months ago.

2871s will get you nowhere close to 9s. Not even 770s will help with that.

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[jaychen]

these threads make me laugh

[DixieViper]

these threads make me laugh

So because I have a goal and am willing to spend the money it makes you laugh. I'm glad it tickled you a little but some useful info or knowlage would help me more.

[jaychen]

all the info you are asking about is out there.

you clearly haven't done ANY research, because you would have answered all your own questions.

so yes, these threads make me chuckle.

[S4tech2]

Replies like this make me chuckle because there is no reason to act like you are better than someone. People like you make me not like forums.

[jaychen]

use the search button first, then ask what you couldn't find. that's how forums are MEANT to work.

what info do you want to know about the vr6 conversion?

[DixieViper]

I have searched and there isn't anyone doing what I wan to do. Everyone builds a car to 500hp and that's it. All the 800+ builds never get finished. Usp motorsports is the only car I have seen that is close to what I want but I have found limited info on that build.

[jaychen]

I have searched and there isn't anyone doing what I wan to do. Everyone builds a car to 500hp and that's it. All the 800+ builds never get finished. Usp motorsports is the only car I have seen that is close to what I want but I have found limited info on that build.

that's not true.

haenzels car made near 800hp.

spankeys car makes 7XXhp.

ricky just made 800hp.

monty made 700hp on the v6.

[FlyboyS4]

I have searched and there isn't anyone doing what I wan to do. Everyone builds a car to 500hp and that's it.

I find it hard to believe you searched this forum and concluded 'everyone builds a car to 500hp and that's it'.

[jaychen]

Im actually curious to know what your budget is or what you think it's going to cost to achieve something similar to USP (as you put it)?

[DixieViper]

I have searched and have read post after post for more than a month. If you can get thru all the b.s. that everyone throws out there than you can pick out a little useful info kind of like this thread. I figure the build will be around 10g. So out of yalls useful info what will be the best way to go. A vr6 or 2.7?

[Drehmoment]

Lol you want to go 9's with 10 k ?

Clueless thread

[S4tech2]

Yall are a bunch assholes that just want to make a simple question sound stupid. So instead of just replying with the whole search bullshit, why don't you post some links to these "builds" so we can actually get some kind of information instead of a bunch shit from someone who may not even own a b5 s4.

[dannyn424]

Easy, buy a trans am and turbo it. This car is more of a grand tourer !

[S4tech2]

Im actually curious to know what your budget is or what you think it's going to cost to achieve something similar to USP (as you put it)?

Either reply to the thread with useful information or don't reply at all

[joeSfour]

I have searched and have read post after post for more than a month. If you can get thru all the b.s. that everyone throws out there than you can pick out a little useful info kind of like this thread. I figure the build will be around 10g. So out of yalls useful info what will be the best way to go. A vr6 or 2.7?

You'll need $10K into the motor alone to get it into 9's

[DixieViper]

Well I guess this site is useless. I was only asking for some basic info on what direction I should go. Once I build the car and figure it out on my own I won't share any info with y'all. For those that tried to give some info thank you. For the rest of y'all fuck off.

[MikeyB3]

Mine's ~600whp, daily driven. Would be happy to talk to you about it. PM me if you'd like.

[Drehmoment]

Well I guess this site is useless. I was only asking for some basic info on what direction I should go. Once I build the car and figure it out on my own I won't share any info with y'all. For those that tried to give some info thank you. For the rest of y'all fuck off.

We are not looking for your info because your "build" will never materialize. Fact

[NOTORIOUS VR]

I have searched and have read post after post for more than a month. If you can get thru all the b.s. that everyone throws out there than you can pick out a little useful info kind of like this thread. I figure the build will be around 10g. So out of yalls useful info what will be the best way to go. A vr6 or 2.7?

You're not going anywhere near your goal with $10k....

Realistically, taking a stock S4 to 600-700 awhp in one shot it going to be a $20-30k build depending on who does the work.

[S4tech2]

We are not looking for your info because your "build" will never materialize. Fact

Oh I'm sorry post a link to your "build". Or has yours not materialized either?

[SACTOWNB5]

I suggest you first talk with your Brother and get details of his build. Then compare/contrast with where your car is now.
Suspension, brakes, transmission, CPU tune, engine work, exhaust work... Just having hp will not necessarily mean you are faster.

[DixieViper]

Thanks mikey hope to chat with you soon. Notorious you are about useless from what I have read on here. Drehmoment lets hear what you have. You may be in the same boat as notorious and be nothing but a shit talker with nothing to back it up. I know $10g isn't a whole lot for a build but it will pay for the base components.

[DixieViper]

Sactown I know his car very well. I'm baseing most of my info from his. We know the limitations of the 2.7 with k04 but need a little direction in what way to go to get over that 6-700hp hump. So many on here talk about it and most don't get finished or they blow up. It's just going to be a play car so I'm down to experiment some. All work will be done by me except for machine work and tuning.

[S4tech2]

His brother has expressed the limitations of even a stroked 3.0l tial 770 car. Horse power is good but with all the problems of a 3.0 being machine work and bad Piston slap. I have recommended possibly a vr6 build to be on the correct path to not waste money on a platform that has a 700hp ceiling without completely going away from the platform.

[NOTORIOUS VR]

Notorious you are about useless from what I have read on here. Drehmoment lets hear what you have. You may be in the same boat as notorious and be nothing but a shit talker with nothing to back it up.

lol ok

[XLR8 Craig]

You're not going anywhere near your goal with $10k....

Realistically, taking a stock S4 to 600-700 awhp in one shot it going to be a $20-30k build depending on who does the work.

This man is correct.

These cars are not cheap to build we have built a few and currently have two Tial 770 cars in the shop at the moment.

If you would like to speak about parts or quoting parts to reach your power goals we could certianly do that for you.

Shoot us an email [email protected]

or call us 203-483-6100

Thanks,

Alex

[DixieViper]

This man is correct.

These cars are not cheap to build we have built a few and currently have two Tial 770 cars in the shop at the moment.

If you would like to speak about parts or quoting parts to reach your power goals we could certianly do that for you.

Shoot us an email [email protected]

or call us 203-483-6100

Thanks,

Alex

Thanks Alex I will give you a call sometime. I understand that $10k is low but it's a starting point. I wish more people would stop bashing and either be quiet or actually try and help others out.

[XLR8 Craig]

Thanks Alex I will give you a call sometime. I understand that $10k is low but it's a starting point. I wish more people would stop bashing and either be quiet or actually try and help others out.

No problem just trying to help!

Thanks,

Alex

[NOTORIOUS VR]

I wish more people would stop bashing and either be quiet or actually try and help others out.

I wish people would realize that most users on here can see through the BS when someone posts nonsense.

If you have a hard time figuring it all out, let me break it down for you:

• wants to be faster than brothers S4
• Street legal race car
• looking to go 9's
• wants something like USP has
• budget is $10k at first but then it's "just to start"

Let me do you a favor... Lots of people think they can just build a 1000whp 9 sec car as if it's nothing.. this happens often on many platforms.

You want a 9 second S4? You will be in company of very, very few people who have made it that far... all of which have anywhere between $50k-100k in them. So instead of being a smart ass, bring it down a notch and realize what a realistic goal is for your $10k. $10k on a stock S4 is barely K04/Chinese turbo territory once you get all caught up on maintenance. 600+ awhp is a $20k+ proposition and that might land you into low 11's.

Of course, you should know all this since you've read and searched for months.

[S4tech2]

I wish people would realize that most users on here can see through the BS when someone posts nonsense.

If you have a hard time figuring it all out, let me break it down for you:

• wants to be faster than brothers S4
• Street legal race car
• looking to go 9's
• wants something like USP has
• budget is $10k at first but then it's "just to start"

Let me do you a favor... Lots of people think they can just build a 1000whp 9 sec car as if it's nothing.. this happens often on many platforms.

You want a 9 second S4? You will be in company of very, very few people who have made it that far... all of which have anywhere between $50k-100k in them. So instead of being a smart ass, bring it down a notch and realize what a realistic goal is for your $10k. $10k on a stock S4 is barely K04/Chinese turbo territory once you get all caught up on maintenance. 600+ awhp is a $20k+ proposition and that might land you into low 11's.

Of course, you should know all this since you've read and searched for months.

Not trying to be a smart ass but I'm well below 10k on my setup with srm k24 hybrids. Even though I'm not even to the 500 hp mark yet if you know how to do the work yourself and understand how to make things work, a low budget can be maintained. Now I'm not an expert on putting a lot of money into one and achieving high hp, but I know you don't have to spend a fortune to achieve it.
Now I know of your multiple builds and you are a very smart guy, but please throw some specs at us, how much did you source you engine for and what not. Reading the few vr6 build threads they do not offer much specifics. It's mainly "a vr6" with some "custom stuff" to bolt it in.

[NOTORIOUS VR]

Not trying to be a smart ass but I'm well below 10k on my setup with srm k24 hybrids. Even though I'm not even to the 500 hp mark yet if you know how to do the work yourself and understand how to make things work, a low budget can be maintained. Now I'm not an expert on putting a lot of money into one and achieving high hp, but I know you don't have to spend a fortune to achieve it.
Now I know of your multiple builds and you are a very smart guy, but please throw some specs at us, how much did you source you engine for and what not. Reading the few vr6 build threads they do not offer much specifics. It's mainly "a vr6" with some "custom stuff" to bolt it in.

Define "well below" and what you started with and where you are now and what you omitted please. This isn't my first rodeo

At the BARE minimum this is what I see what needs to happen for a full transformation of a bone stock S4... that is just hard parts and ZERO labor added, zero costs of tools that you might need, etc.

From them:
turbos, DV's, DP, Exhaust, SMIC, bipipes, MAF/CAI = $3900
Injectors + MAF sensor (HPX) + tune - $1000
Clutch + FW - $1500
Fuel pump - $150
Fuel filter - $22
Wideband - $200
TBB - $50
Air filter - $50
Suspension - $1500+
Control Arms - $500
Brakes (refresh stock with uprated discs and pads) - $500
Wheels and/or tires - $1000+
Boost gauge $100
Fluids (Oil, Coolant, Filter) - $150
Timing belt, WP, gaskets/seals - $500
Electric fan kit - $250
Engine mounts - $400
Tranny mounts - $300
Spark plugs - $50
Coil pack conversion (since it's roughly half the price of buying new OEM coils, boots + ICMS) - $480
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Grand total of $12,602.00 Plus tax (if applicable) + shipping costs. Not to mention all the other hidden costs when dealing with an older car like this that pop up when you start pulling things apart. And I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff!

Sure you can have a clapped out upgraded turbo S4 for less then that, but not much less and the thing will be junk... and you can argue that you can nickel and dime here and there... but you still won't be much cheaper and you're dealing with inferior parts, maybe even used parts... who knows. The rabbit hole can only go deeper when it comes to modding.

So what do we have here so far is just over $12k for basic parts list for a ~460awhp S4, wanna hit close to or over 500awhp? You'll need to add at the minimum a methanol kit ($600+).


The point is, people either don't really count what they've actually had to put into their cars or they like to gloss over the details. Building any car (correctly) isn't cheap, even if you have the means to do it yourself.

Imagine now you step up to a Tial turbo kit instead?

[DixieViper]

Define "well below" and what you started with and where you are now and what you omitted please. This isn't my first rodeo

At the BARE minimum this is what I see what needs to happen for a full transformation of a bone stock S4... that is just hard parts and ZERO labor added, zero costs of tools that you might need, etc.

From them:
turbos, DV's, DP, Exhaust, SMIC, bipipes, MAF/CAI = $3900
Injectors + MAF sensor (HPX) + tune - $1000
Clutch + FW - $1500
Fuel pump - $150
Fuel filter - $22
Wideband - $200
TBB - $50
Air filter - $50
Suspension - $1500+
Control Arms - $500
Brakes (refresh stock with uprated discs and pads) - $500
Wheels and/or tires - $1000+
Boost gauge $100
Fluids (Oil, Coolant, Filter) - $150
Timing belt, WP, gaskets/seals - $500
Electric fan kit - $250
Engine mounts - $400
Tranny mounts - $300
Spark plugs - $50
Coil pack conversion (since it's roughly half the price of buying new OEM coils, boots + ICMS) - $480
------------------------------------
Grand total of $12,602.00 Plus tax (if applicable) + shipping costs. Not to mention all the other hidden costs when dealing with an older car like this that pop up when you start pulling things apart. And I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff!

Sure you can have a clapped out upgraded turbo S4 for less then that, but not much less and the thing will be junk... and you can argue that you can nickel and dime here and there... but you still won't be much cheaper and you're dealing with inferior parts, maybe even used parts... who knows. The rabbit hole can only go deeper when it comes to modding.

So what do we have here so far is just over $12k for basic parts list for a ~460awhp S4, wanna hit close to or over 500awhp? You'll need to add at the minimum a methanol kit ($600+).


The point is, people either don't really count what they've actually had to put into their cars or they like to gloss over the details. Building any car (correctly) isn't cheap, even if you have the means to do it yourself.

Imagine now you step up to a Tial turbo kit instead?

Thank you for finally being somewhat useful finally. Already have an 044 fuel pump, JHM trans rubuild kit, trio solid short shifter, and stage 4 clutch. All sitting waiting for the build to start since I know these will used whatever way I go. Have all the coils for the conversion already also. Not worried about the suspension at this time. Labor is free and many years of mechanical experience to go with it. Also have access to any Audi special tool I may need. So a round about number is $7k and if I go a little bigger with all the machine work I would be around the $10k mark. Glad we can finally start talking sensibly instead of bashing right away.

[FlyboyS4]

So what do we have here so far is just over $12k for basic parts list for a ~460awhp S4, wanna hit close to or over 500awhp? You'll need to add at the minimum a methanol kit ($600+).

I was wondering where the rods, etc., and headwork were at, until I saw the 460whp.

[-Billy]

I easily have 10-12k in this so far with a decent size list of things to buy yet. I was pretty convinced I could do it for 7ish a few months ago.