B4 OE Sport Shocks & Struts Kit Review

[Menyahs]

So I know there are many, many suspension threads on here. I did quite a bit of searching in exploring options for new shocks, but I didn't find much from anyone about the B4 OE Sport Shock kit from Bilstein. I really wanted the Koni FSD's but at more than double the price of the B4's I decided to settle for the cheaper option, and ordered them through ECS

Just installed on all 4 corners yesterday along with new mounts, dust boots, and bump stops. Ended up taking me about 4 hours to complete the install. What a difference. . . No more float going down the road. While it's a significant improvement over my original sport shocks with 165k miles on them, I would say it's pretty much an exact comparison in ride quality and stiffness from how the car rode when I bought it. While I would have liked to have had just a slightly sportier feel I'm very happy with the choice. My car is a 2004 1.8t factory Ultrasport, and its just a daily driver so I certainly didn't need anything extreme.

I replaced the front control arms, end of last year so the majority of my suspension is new. I have a few bad bushings in the rear, and the lower control arm to shock bushing in the front has already worn out on the new front control arms. Will be installing new SuperPro Poly bushings to stop the shocks bottoming on the control arm. I also never got around to my TREs with the rest of the control arms so still have that to do as well.

Overall ride is much improved with a few rattles from the items I haven't gotten to yet. Thought I'd share for anyone that was looking for more details like I was. . If you're looking for a good, budget friendly, OE replacement set I would certainly recommend these. If you're looking for something sportier then probably best to pony up some more cash.

[customa4]

Nice review. If you want a sportier feel, pick up the 034 rear sway bar.

[Menyahs]

Thanks. Just wanted to share for anyone else that was interested.

I've been considering the RSB for a while. . . and I might get around to it eventually. I definitely need new SB bushings front and rear. Working on finishing an engine swap in my 85 Trans Am, so the Audi probably won't get much more done to it until I'm finished with the other project. The bad part about having 3 vehicles to keep on the road is that my parts/upgrades budget gets split a couple ways.

[hightime80]

Ahh...305 with tuned port injection....if only all motors were that easy to work on👍👍👍

[Menyahs]

Lol yea night and day difference from the Audi. . . . It was actually a Carb'd 305 originally. Dropped in an Gen II LT1, so just been working on all the wiring and extra details to convert to a EFI motor.

[hightime80]

Lol yea night and day difference from the Audi. . . . It was actually a Carb'd 305 originally. Dropped in an Gen II LT1, so just been working on all the wiring and extra details to convert to a EFI motor.

Cool. You have more patience than I do. Personally I'd just throw a big cam, a 4 barrell holly 750 and a set of hooker headers and flowmasters and call it a day. But then again all that wiring shit gets on my nerves lol😝

[PreciseD]

I still can't fathom how people go more than 70-80k miles without replacing their struts/shocks... Of course putting new ones on will improve the ride when you are more than double the life of them...

[Menyahs]

@hightime80 - Yea wiring of this degree is certainly not my favourite type of work but the end result will be worth it. Should be around 80+hp, and 100 ft-lb boost from the anaemic old 305, not to mention better mileage and driveability. Already had a Flowmaster exhaust system on the car, and added a set of Hedman Headers and Y-Pipe with the swap.

@PreciseD - Lol yea I was way past due. Car had ~70k mi when I bought it back in 2009, and rode great so it's possible that the shocks had been replaced once before I owned the car. I had planned on doing the shocks right after the control arms last year, but the control arms alone made such a dramatic improvement in the ride that I didn't worry about it. Plus as well all know, there is always some unexpected, expensive repairs that pop up with these cars. In the last year I've replaced the CAs, tires, o2 sensors, MAF, rear brakes, timing belt, water pump, thermostat x2, clutch, and ac condenser. . . .lol I think that's all of it.

[Kevin C]

I still can't fathom how people go more than 70-80k miles without replacing their struts/shocks... Of course putting new ones on will improve the ride when you are more than double the life of them...

I'm at 145,000 with my original sport shocks. No float, they still feel firm and no leakage. I'm not convinced that 80,000 miles is all they have in them.

[PreciseD]

I'm at 145,000 with my original sport shocks. No float, they still feel firm and no leakage. I'm not convinced that 80,000 miles is all they have in them.

I bet if you replaced them you would be shocked, pun intended, how much better it would ride. No strut/shock is able to last that long without degradation.

[SJorge3442]

I still can't fathom how people go more than 70-80k miles without replacing their struts/shocks... Of course putting new ones on will improve the ride when you are more than double the life of them...

I think its the whole, "Well its always rode like this" mentality. When I switched from OE Sports to Koni Yellows on my 3.0 i was blown away with the performance difference at 115k. I did switch from Goodyear Eagle GT's to a cheap General Altimax shortly after and these tires suck compared to the GT's.

I recently did a 4 corner shock/strut job for my buddy on his forester. He still cant believe how shitty it used to ride compared to now.

[Menyahs]

Definitely agree. . you really don't notice the slow degradation of the suspension until it starts to get really bad. I had been thinking of doing the shocks for a long time, but it wasn't until this summer that I noticed how terrible it was getting. Here in South Florida the summer heat seems to really affect how stiff the old rubber bushings are. I noticed a significant difference as soon as temps started averaging above 85.

If you've never replaced any bushings, control arms, or shocks, you'll see a dramatic improvement. It sucks that you're looking at $1000+ just in parts to do it all but that's pretty much par for the course with Audi Maintenance. I also had motor mounts go bad a few years ago, new motor, and tranny mounts from 034 made a huge difference in the ride too. . .(weight transfer, NVH). We're all getting up there in age and mileage, but these are still pretty fantastic little cars with proper maintenance and care.

[oaybar007]

I'm late to the party on these B4 replacements but am considering them vs a cup kit, matched springs, shocks, struts or coilovers for my car. My stock sport suspension sits nicely with a forward rake and shocks/struts still function well, but they are aging. I'm trying to go budget-friendly vs all out performance as I'm also doing motor, trans mounts, control arms and tie rod ends all at once. I prefer the balance of comfort/sport and they just seem like the best option.

OP, anything to report back after six months on your car, still happy with them?

Anyone else running B4s have any feedback? Not much info out there on these.

[texasboy21]

I'm late to the party on these B4 replacements but am considering them vs a cup kit, matched springs, shocks, struts or coilovers for my car. My stock sport suspension sits nicely with a forward rake and shocks/struts still function well, but they are aging. I'm trying to go budget-friendly vs all out performance as I'm also doing motor, trans mounts, control arms and tie rod ends all at once. I prefer the balance of comfort/sport and they just seem like the best option.

OP, anything to report back after six months on your car, still happy with them?

Anyone else running B4s have any feedback? Not much info out there on these.

Your sport springs are likely firmer, sportier, and handle better than the B4s.

Why not get some B8s and keep your stock springs?

[oaybar007]

Your sport springs are likely firmer, sportier, and handle better than the B4s.

Why not get some B8s and keep your stock springs?

I'm definitely looking to keep my stock springs and just replace shocks/struts and refresh the suspension mounts.

That's something to consider for sure. I feel like maybe it would be overkill though. Bilstein has the B4 sport variants listed as a "touring" class shock/strut but lists it as a direct replacement for the OE sport shocks so I think if just wanting to keep the status quo, maybe that's a solid choice. And the price...$275 or so shipped!

Then again, if the ride quality isn't too bad the extra performance of the B8 might be nice. I'm just not sure how the sport springs would actually pair up with them. Suspension work always seems like such a gamble. I miss my younger days when I would throw race springs on konis and call it a day. Now I care about stuff like comfort....who am I???!

Here's how my car sits now at 139k on sport suspension.

[Alpine87.5]

Strut life was covered, but how about springs? Im at 145k miles on OE sport springs, should I replace them with some eibach lowering springs? I don't want to go much lower or loose the ride comfort. The reason I am asking is I'll be doing a complete front bushing kit on the car very soon and "while I'm in there".... Thanks.

[oaybar007]

In my opinion springs, as long as not rusted, should last a very long time. I feel absolutely fine continuing to use my OE sport springs with whatever shock/strut combo I decide on. I'm just going to be sure to refresh the mounts and all the supporting pieces.

[ecbo0m]

I put new B4 touring class OE replacements on all corners with a control arm and tie rod refresh. Original non-sport springs with 160K. Car rides great again, would recommend. Got the full set of 4 from autoplicity for $200 shipped.

[oaybar007]

I put new B4 touring class OE replacements on all corners with a control arm and tie rod refresh. Original non-sport springs with 160K. Car rides great again, would recommend. Got the full set of 4 from autoplicity for $200 shipped.

Thanks for the info!

So we have the OP, who has the sport versions, reviewing that the car felt like stock, and you've confirmed that the non sport versions are also performing great.

By any chance did either of you notice an increase in ride height after refreshing all the suspension, mounts, etc. or are your cars sitting exactly the same?

My car sits at about 25.75" Fender to ground up front and about 26.25" FTG in the rear. Wondering if worn shock mounts and the shocks/struts being worn would have helped the car sag down a bit. If I need to expect for the car to come up slightly after doing all this work to it.

[Menyahs]

Sorry Guys, didn't see notifications about more posts to this thread. Overall I'm still relatively happy with the shocks. After having them for a while now, I'm not entirely convinced they are on par with the OE sport shocks (before they were worn out). The B4s seem to float around a little more. Having to do it all over again I would probably have spent the extra $$ to go with the Koni FSD shocks.

I've got a few bushings I haven't ever replaced that are getting pretty bad now. I'm actually thinking the performance of the shocks may be better once I replace more bushings. Just ordered new RSB end links, and cheap OE rubber bushings for both sway bars. Still need to install my poly lower shock mount bushings in the front, the stock rubber ones in the FCP control arms appears to be shot already.

Has anyone found any OE replacement springs for the sport suspension? My car seems to be sagging more in the rear, have been bottoming out in driveways more. Would love to actually gain about 5mm in ride height in the back. Lol probably didn't help that I towed my jet ski 1500 mi round trip last summer.

[oaybar007]

Thanks for reporting back. That's good to know that the B4 Sports are still more conservatively tuned. I was considering the Bilstein B12 kit myself but not anymore. Essentially B8 sport shocks with Eibach springs match by their engineers. I believe they developed backwards from the B8 platform as a start. Then to the B7 and realizing the B6 shares the same chassis and suspension components- it's an additional platform to tap. The B6 had no cup kits available for such a long time that no one is really running any that I know of. Those that have been running them on the B7 forums don't really have photos shared of their set ups. At least that I could find.

While I'm happy that Bilstein gave the option for a cup kit way later than never, reviews and images of the set up are pretty much impossible to find. The only B6 I saw running on the kit was from a foreign website and the car has a reverse rake look. That stated even 30mm drop front and rear would do that. I found a thread on the B7 section where many were wondering why ECS had their own matched Eibach/Bilstein B8 kit listed alongside the B12 offering at a greater cost. I'd bet even money the Bilstein kit has springs per the engineers making the pairing, and as such they are not the same out of the box pro kit Eibach springs or even the exact B8 shocks we would be buying individually. So the handling will be what those engineers desire but maybe not the look some of us owners want. I don't want a car even if sitting even, looking like the rear is sagging, aka reverse rake. Not sure if ECS has gotten any feedback on their matched set vs the B12, but I'd imagine this the case. I could be wrong though! Just a theory for anyone wondering.

I haven't seen any direct replacement sport springs but I'd imagine Eibach Pro Kits would be the closest option. I believe they drop just a tad below stock sport height. Around half an inch to 3/4 of an inch lower.

[alimo20]

I need to do my rears. The fronts are red but the rears are black. So does that mean I have sport shocks all around?

I also need to do control arms but I am afraid of that pinch bolt.

[Axis]

I'm curious on how people judge wear based on milleage. A car that's on the highway 90% of the time can have shocks last as long as 135k miles and one driving 90% city last 50k miles.

@alimo20 if you rear shock are oem Audi and are black they would be non sport, if they're Bilstein shocks they must be the Sport replacement the OP used.

[oaybar007]

I need to do my rears. The fronts are red but the rears are black. So does that mean I have sport shocks all around?

I also need to do control arms but I am afraid of that pinch bolt.

OEM sport shocks/struts should be red. The front sport struts are part number, #8E0413031CK. The rear sport shocks are part number, #8E0513033G or #8E0513036AF (revised?). If black they are either non-sport or possibly aftermarket sport or non-sport replacements.

[oaybar007]

I'm curious on how people judge wear based on milleage. A car that's on the highway 90% of the time can have shocks last as long as 135k miles and one driving 90% city last 50k miles.

I guess it all depends as you said. My car was mostly highway driven for most of the time but lately more back road driving for fun and that is what really prompted me to upgrade. On the highway the car is less stressed and the components can last a lot longer for sure. Mine did. If not driving for fun on really aggressively twisty roads these days I would probably leave my stock components in until leaking, but I decided to do control arms and while all taken apart I figured a total replacement is a good idea. If my control arms still looked good, no way I would replace anything just on account of mileage. I always look for feedback from my cars and make the call from there.

[texasboy21]

Thanks for reporting back. That's good to know that the B4 Sports are still more conservatively tuned. I was considering the Bilstein B12 kit myself but not anymore. Essentially B8 sport shocks with Eibach springs match by their engineers. I believe they developed backwards from the B8 platform as a start. Then to the B7 and realizing the B6 shares the same chassis and suspension components- it's an additional platform to tap. The B6 had no cup kits available for such a long time that no one is really running any that I know of. Those that have been running them on the B7 forums don't really have photos shared of their set ups. At least that I could find.

While I'm happy that Bilstein gave the option for a cup kit way later than never, reviews and images of the set up are pretty much impossible to find. The only B6 I saw running on the kit was from a foreign website and the car has a reverse rake look. That stated even 30mm drop front and rear would do that. I found a thread on the B7 section where many were wondering why ECS had their own matched Eibach/Bilstein B8 kit listed alongside the B12 offering at a greater cost. I'd bet even money the Bilstein kit has springs per the engineers making the pairing, and as such they are not the same out of the box pro kit Eibach springs or even the exact B8 shocks we would be buying individually. So the handling will be what those engineers desire but maybe not the look some of us owners want. I don't want a car even if sitting even, looking like the rear is sagging, aka reverse rake. Not sure if ECS has gotten any feedback on their matched set vs the B12, but I'd imagine this the case. I could be wrong though! Just a theory for anyone wondering.

I haven't seen any direct replacement sport springs but I'd imagine Eibach Pro Kits would be the closest option. I believe they drop just a tad below stock sport height. Around half an inch to 3/4 of an inch lower.

The nomenclature "B8" is not a reference to the Audi B8 platform, it is what Bilstein calls their sport shocks. B4, B6, B8, are all shocks, B10, B12, B14 etc. are their cup kits and coilovers.

The B6 has several cup kits, that have been around for nearly a decade. Vogtland cup kit, H&R cup kit (H&R springs and Bilstein B8s), Koni cup kit, and Bilstein (Bilstein shocks and Eibach springs) just to name a few. I have been running the Vogtland cup kit for about 6 years.

A lot of B6s have the 'reverse rake' due to the rear fender shape/size. In short, its an optical allusion. Measure from the ground to the center of the wheel - both front and rear. They will be the same. The ground to fender height will differ (and will look like the rear is sagging) because the rear fender is not symmetrical to the front.

[oaybar007]

The nomenclature "B8" is not a reference to the Audi B8 platform, it is what Bilstein calls their sport shocks. B4, B6, B8, are all shocks, B10, B12, B14 etc. are their cup kits and coilovers.

The B6 has several cup kits, that have been around for nearly a decade. Vogtland cup kit, H&R cup kit (H&R springs and Bilstein B8s), Koni cup kit, and Bilstein (Bilstein shocks and Eibach springs) just to name a few. I have been running the Vogtland cup kit for about 6 years.

A lot of B6s have the 'reverse rake' due to the rear fender shape/size. In short, its an optical allusion. Measure from the ground to the center of the wheel - both front and rear. They will be the same. The ground to fender height will differ (and will look like the rear is sagging) because the rear fender is not symmetrical to the front.

Yes, definitely understand the product structure of Bilstein in the B4, B6, B8 and so on. Although it does confuse a bit.

I meant I think they (Bilstein) decided to go forward with offering the B12 cup kit for the USA B8 platform and worked backwards to releasing that line for USA B7 as well. As such we finally got a true cup kit engineered to Bilstein's liking since the B6 shares the same suspension/chassis. Vogtland is one I missed as available, but you really had to pair your own products for a spring/shock/strut solution over the years. H&R Springs with Bilstein B8 Shocks/Struts. Or Eibach Pro Kit Springs with Koni Yellow Sport Shocks/Struts, etc.. That is what I was getting at. Not kits that a design team sat down and thought out as a total solution. Just products you matched yourself with mixed results. Or that a retailer sold as a combo or cup kit. If I missed obvious cup kits that have been out forever than forgive me, but they have been very few, in my opinion. TireRack even confirmed for me that the B12 kit from Bilstein is a new offering.

Yes, reverse rake is an illusion on these cars but still not a preference for many. The B12 kit levels the car out, but that illusion is there on the one B6 I saw with one B12 kit installed. I'll link to the site with the photo when I dig it up. I'm trying to avoid that look.

And it could all be smoke and mirrors on cup kits anyways. Who's to say the brands don't test with one an other's equipment, I guess we assume they do, and design their product around or in harmony with one and other. So maybe the pairings people have made in springs/shocks/struts for years have been solutions thought out by the actual engineers behind the products but just not marketed to us as such. If I could find something on Eibach's website telling me to happily pair these with Koni Sport Shocks for my application, I would do it. Same thing with H&R, tell me to go buy the Bilstein B8s for my Sport Springs and I'll do it. We just don't get any of that advice. Instead you roll the dice and hope you like it. That's the difference to me on cup kits I guess. I want the brand to offer me something for a purpose vs me figuring it out on my own successfully or unsuccessfully.

My thinking is how to narrow down to the best choice without throwing darts at a board. Maybe I need to start a "to those with cup kits" thread to be told a million times that everything has been searched and done again and again or to be pointed to the wheel thread; and we can all have a good argument on what is and isn't a cup kit!!!! Joking aside, I'm dropping the info I've found thus far below in case anyone is wondering straight from the brands, what they are offering currently. Not what a retailer has paired or what one person's opinion of a kit is vs an other's but as a product, what is being sold to us to work a certain way from a brand.


Here's H&R's application guide for a 2004 B6 A4 1.8t Quattro. No cup kits. H&R Results

Here is Bilstein's offering for the same. Only the B12 cup kit. Bilstein Results

Eibach's offerings (Might not open the exact search but you can pull up your application). No kits. Just Pro Kit Springs for my car. Eibach Application Search

Koni's offerings. Looks like they have a few now that were not easily available previously away from the FSD/Eibach kit. The 1125 and 1145 Koni Results

The Vogtland website is a bit difficult as it takes you to their total international application guide, but I know ModBargains and other's carry the kit you have.

Those are all the kits I could find currently. At least some options in front of everyone now.

[texasboy21]

Yes, definitely understand the product structure of Bilstein in the B4, B6, B8 and so on. Although it does confuse a bit.

I meant I think they (Bilstein) decided to go forward with offering the B12 cup kit for the USA B8 platform and worked backwards to releasing that line for USA B7 as well. As such we finally got a true cup kit engineered to Bilstein's liking since the B6 shares the same suspension/chassis. Vogtland is one I missed as available, but you really had to pair your own products for a spring/shock/strut solution over the years. H&R Springs with Bilstein B8 Shocks/Struts. Or Eibach Pro Kit Springs with Koni Yellow Sport Shocks/Struts, etc.. That is what I was getting at. Not kits that a design team sat down and thought out as a total solution. Just products you matched yourself with mixed results. Or that a retailer sold as a combo or cup kit. If I missed obvious cup kits that have been out forever than forgive me, but they have been very few, in my opinion. TireRack even confirmed for me that the B12 kit from Bilstein is a new offering.

Yes, reverse rake is an illusion on these cars but still not a preference for many. The B12 kit levels the car out, but that illusion is there on the one B6 I saw with one B12 kit installed. I'll link to the site with the photo when I dig it up. I'm trying to avoid that look.

And it could all be smoke and mirrors on cup kits anyways. Who's to say the brands don't test with one an other's equipment, I guess we assume they do, and design their product around or in harmony with one and other. So maybe the pairings people have made in springs/shocks/struts for years have been solutions thought out by the actual engineers behind the products but just not marketed to us as such. If I could find something on Eibach's website telling me to happily pair these with Koni Sport Shocks for my application, I would do it. Same thing with H&R, tell me to go buy the Bilstein B8s for my Sport Springs and I'll do it. We just don't get any of that advice. Instead you roll the dice and hope you like it. That's the difference to me on cup kits I guess. I want the brand to offer me something for a purpose vs me figuring it out on my own successfully or unsuccessfully.

My thinking is how to narrow down to the best choice without throwing darts at a board. Maybe I need to start a "to those with cup kits" thread to be told a million times that everything has been searched and done again and again or to be pointed to the wheel thread; and we can all have a good argument on what is and isn't a cup kit!!!! Joking aside, I'm dropping the info I've found thus far below in case anyone is wondering straight from the brands, what they are offering currently. Not what a retailer has paired or what one person's opinion of a kit is vs an other's but as a product, what is being sold to us to work a certain way from a brand.


Here's H&R's application guide for a 2004 B6 A4 Quattro. No cup kits. H&R Results

Here is Bilstein's offering for the same. Only the B12 cup kit. Bilstein Results

Eibach's offerings (Might not open the exact search but you can pull up your application). No kits. Just Pro Kit Springs for my car. Eibach Application Search

Koni's offerings. Looks like they have a few now that were not easily available previously away from the FSD/Eibach kit. The 1125 and 1145 Koni Results

The Vogtland website is a bit difficult as it takes you to their total international application guide, but I know ModBargains and other's carry the kit you have.

Those are all the kits I could find currently. At least some options in front of everyone now.

I believe that the 'cup kits' like H&R and Koni are not "designed and engineered together" as a true cup kit would be. Its simply companies working together to sell more products. The Koni/Eibach spring combo is no different than buying the two separately - however you know that the two will work well together as they are marketed as such.

https://www.urotuning.com/Spring-Shock-Combo-s/2040.htm

Vogtland’s cup kit uses their own shocks and springs, that is why I went with them. I have been more than satisfied with the performance/handling, ride comfort, and ride height. It sits 24.5” front and rear with no rake. I purchased mine from Pure Motorsports.

http://www.ngpracing.com/newstore/vo...-lowering.html

[oaybar007]

Thanks for the photo. Looks perfect!

[Menyahs]

You guys seem to be much more educated than I am on all the different set ups. I never really dug into all of that since this is my DD and I didn't want too firm, or too expensive.

As far as the oe sport springs I figured they're really not available, because I have looked. I guess if my rear gets any worse I may call up Eibach to see if they have something that would work, that isn't listed for our cars.

@texasboy21. . .your ride height is awesome. That's exactly what I'm looking for. Just not willing to spend another 600 and replace newish parts. I think I'm running a taller tire than you also. . 235/45/18. . .which is part of my problem. They don't rub normally but they definitely were when fully loaded with the trailer last summer.

lol for shit and grins. . . . not the best but it did work. Also went from normal hwy 28ish MPG to 21. . .and 6th gear was unusable.

[texasboy21]

You guys seem to be much more educated than I am on all the different set ups. I never really dug into all of that since this is my DD and I didn't want too firm, or too expensive.

As far as the oe sport springs I figured they're really not available, because I have looked. I guess if my rear gets any worse I may call up Eibach to see if they have something that would work, that isn't listed for our cars.

@texasboy21. . .your ride height is awesome. That's exactly what I'm looking for. Just not willing to spend another 600 and replace newish parts. I think I'm running a taller tire than you also. . 235/45/18. . .which is part of my problem. They don't rub normally but they definitely were when fully loaded with the trailer last summer.

lol for shit and grins. . . . not the best but it did work. Also went from normal hwy 28ish MPG to 21. . .and 6th gear was unusable.

I am running 245/40 tires - you have about 7mm more sidewall.

[Menyahs]

I am running 245/40 tires - you have about 7mm more sidewall.

That was my guess. . .

[oaybar007]

I believe that the 'cup kits' like H&R and Koni are not "designed and engineered together" as a true cup kit would be. Its simply companies working together to sell more products. The Koni/Eibach spring combo is no different than buying the two separately - however you know that the two will work well together as they are marketed as such.

https://www.urotuning.com/Spring-Shock-Combo-s/2040.htm

Vogtland’s cup kit uses their own shocks and springs, that is why I went with them. I have been more than satisfied with the performance/handling, ride comfort, and ride height. It sits 24.5” front and rear with no rake. I purchased mine from Pure Motorsports.

http://www.ngpracing.com/newstore/vo...-lowering.html

If you have a minute, could you just give a quick rundown on how the car drives with your kit?
Do you notice it much firmer than stock, much less squat, roll, dive?
How's the rebound over larger bumps at speed, while slow, etc.
Any feedback you have good, bad or otherwise?

I almost feel like the Vogtland kit has been so overlooked by myself included. It seems like the perfect set up for daily driving and comfort. Just wondering for those times I do want to have some fun if it will be enough. I need someone to push me over the edge so I can just buy something and shut up. I made the classic mistake of overthinking an upgrade!

[texasboy21]

If you have a minute, could you just give a quick rundown on how the car drives with your kit?
Do you notice it much firmer than stock, much less squat, roll, dive?
How's the rebound over larger bumps at speed, while slow, etc.
Any feedback you have good, bad or otherwise?

I almost feel like the Vogtland kit has been so overlooked by myself included. It seems like the perfect set up for daily driving and comfort. Just wondering for those times I do want to have some fun if it will be enough. I need someone to push me over the edge so I can just buy something and shut up. I made the classic mistake of overthinking an upgrade!

I replaced the stock non-sport suspension with at least one blown shock with the cup kit, RS4 rear sway bar, and new control arms at once so it felt like a completely different car.

Much less squat, body roll, and nose dive on hard braking. Its a bit firmer than the sport suspension, but no where near harsh. Ive tracked the car many times and the setup does great. Lift off oversteer until I replaced the front sway bar with an RS4 to match the rear.

I would be willing to bet a years salary you cannot get a better suspension setup for the money.