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    Senior Member Two Rings Schläfer's Avatar
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    Help! Fueling problems!

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    Ok, before you ask, I've searched for a while and found people with similar problems but didn't find any actual solutions or anyone that said for sure it was one thing or another.

    Ok so I have a 450lph pump, when I put it in moths ago, it was super late at night and I had work the next day so I didn't change the filter at the same time like I should. I let it go for a while until a few weeks ago before going to socaleuro, I noticed a few starts where it would take an extra second to start so I decided to change the filter thinking it was bad. After swapping it out for a filter that's been rolling around my tool box for a while(still in box), it started up quickly without issue. A few days after running fine, I parked on an incline and had to level the car out to start it, I thought nothing of it till the next morning it didn't want to start. I thought, ok maybe the filter was just sitting around too long. So I went to Napa and they ordered me an OEM filter and I swapped it out. Started right up I left and came home About 6 hours later, it wouldn't start. Next morning it started, I drove it to my dads where I parked again on an incline, wouldn't start till I leveled it out and I noticed the fpr hose was off so I popped it back on(couldn't have been off more than a day), a few more tries and it started. Drove about a mile and it died at a light, started after a minute. Drove it home. Tried recreating problem so I could diagnose but it wasn't having any issues now. So I drove it again the next day to my dads house, parked on level ground, came back to it about 10 hours later, started right up, drove the same mile to the same stop light and it just died, took another minute of trying and it started up fine. Drove normal after that. So I left it alone a few days until Monday I started it up for work, let it warm up, it idled for about 3 minutes and died about the same time it took to die getting to the light on previous days, would only crank after that and I didn't have time to diagnose because I had to get to work. So today I started it up and sure enough, a few minutes at idle and it died. So I started trouble shooting, I pulled the "out" line from the pump cover, I put a ziplock over the "out" port and I cranked with no fuel until about 5 seconds into cranking, fuel spat out. I hooked the line back up and the car started normally. I got readings on my multimeter from the pump connector that showed .55V(seemed low)while key on engine off, and jumped up to 10.8V-11.1V(somewhere in there) while cranking.

    Is it possible my pump is going out or acting up from having to deal with an old filter for months? I don't think my crank or cam sensors have anything to do with it but I could be wrong. And at first I thought some particles from the old filter got into the lines but once it started cutting out at the same time multiple times I kinda put that out of my mind. Haven't been able to communicate with my VAGCOM for a while or I'd hook it up but there's no CEL.


    Any ideas or insight are very much appreciated.
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    Veteran Member Four Rings
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    pull the pump. you very likely have a fuel line issue in the tank.

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    Veteran Member Four Rings NOTORIOUS VR's Avatar
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    EDIT: ^^^ 10 sec too late

    pull the pump check the fuel line from the pump to the pump cover, sounds like it might be ripped/broken/leaking

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    Will do and will report back in a bit, any reason this would happen? Maybe built up pressure trying to push fuel through that old filter?
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    Veteran Member Four Rings NOTORIOUS VR's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schläfer View Post
    Will do and will report back in a bit, any reason this would happen? Maybe built up pressure trying to push fuel through that old filter?
    No.

    More than likely installer error.

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    Senior Member Two Rings Schläfer's Avatar
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    No cracks/leaks or anything from that line that I can see. As I stated I put this pump in months ago. I just checked it all out, everything looks good in there, i even cracked it with the lines off to make sure plenty of fuel was getting through. All seems fine and it's idling as we speak. I'm guessing I just leave it alone until later and see if it dies or won't start at all again?
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    Hmmm, does the issue resolve if you fill the tank with gas? What's your fuel level right now?


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    Started happening I was at 3/8ths I drove it to a quarter than put enough to get me a little over half. I've honestly been afraid to fill it all the way up lately because of the issue and possibly having to get in there to replace something. but I see what you're getting at
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schläfer View Post
    Started happening I was at 3/8ths I drove it to a quarter than put enough to get me a little over half. I've honestly been afraid to fill it all the way up lately because of the issue and possibly having to get in there to replace something. but I see what you're getting at
    What's your fuel pressure like? And did you make sure your pump is genuine? I've heard of some counterfeits being sold


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    Senior Member Two Rings Schläfer's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by vavJETTAw36 View Post
    What's your fuel pressure like? And did you make sure your pump is genuine? I've heard of some counterfeits being sold


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    I unfortunately haven't been able to test pressure, although that'll be tomorrow hopefully! And I got the pump from ProjectB5 and I've dealt with those guys for years and always had awesome products and service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NOTORIOUS VR View Post
    EDIT: ^^^ 10 sec too late

    pull the pump check the fuel line from the pump to the pump cover, sounds like it might be ripped/broken/leaking
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    Alright, I just went outside, she cranked but did not start. When I got it started yesterday it started up several times and I drove it for about a half hour. After a crank no start this morning I back probed the power to the pump and got the same, just over half a volt, when cranking this time though, it only went up slightly, only to about .67V so I wasn't getting power/signal back there. So I pulled the "out" line again and cranked. No fuel coming out. So now I'm guessing to just work backwards from the pump to check everything that send power signal to the pump? Relay/cam sensor/crank sensor...?
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    Veteran Member Four Rings vavJETTAw36's Avatar
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    Help! Fueling problems!

    Jump the left side of fuse 27 (no fuse installed) with right side of 28 (IIRC 28 is fuel pump) using something such as a wire with terminal blade ends (like the blades on a relay)

    If pump runs/car starts you know the circuit is good. If good, I'd check relay


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    those relays do like to carbon up.

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    I vote relay. I installed an AEM 320 pump about 2 years ago, just had a no start last weekend, there has been a slight delay on starts for a month or so before it refused to start. I pulled the cover off the fuel pump relay and sanded the contacts while I waited for a new relay to show up. I've had no more problems with starting after that, though i'm going to run a seperate 12 gauge harness for the pump soon. Take a look at a lot of the fuel pump flow tests published around the web, there is usually a chart showing current draw. Our stock wiring just isn't quite up to the job, especially after 15 years of use.

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    Senior Member Two Rings Schläfer's Avatar
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    Crank sensor.i was getting bad connection due to so corrosion on the connector. Doesn't make umgib sense to me with how it was acting. But it starts and runs fine after I did a little splicing and crimping. Fingers crossed that it stays strong. I hope that's the end of it...
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    makes sense actually. ill have to remember that one.

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