Integrated Engineering Manifold Users

[turbo944s2]

Hey guys,

Does anyone have any logs of the engine running , various loads and engine speeds? I'm attempting to tune the load at idle to maintain engine speed between shifts. If someone can provide a log of the engine load (Idle) , throttle angle, rpm, maf g/s it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance

[canadianA4B7]

This will be excellent infor to have. Likely going to need these files myself.

[jbain2]

I think Firefox is running one.


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[Okedokey]

Correct me if im wrong but doesn't the IE manifold delete the intake runner flaps? If this is correct you want to tune for the fastest intake air as this is what the manifold is designed for/

[aluthman]

Yes, the IE intake manifold removes the flaps.

[turbo944s2]

Adam, do you remember how closely your requested load tracked with your actual load? They are totally out of sequence on my logs

[aluthman]

After 70 something revisions, it tracked pretty well lol. Keep in mind that actual load and requested load max out at around 191 in the logs.

[turbo944s2]

OK. Your file runs great. Was that the meth file ?

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[aluthman]

If the timing goes up to like 15 degrees at WOT, then yes. The non-meth file topped out at ~7-8 degrees.

[turbo944s2]

Hmm, I gotta figure out how to lower it. May need to use it for a while.

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[aluthman]

Just change the timing tables. Did I send you my no meth files? If so, just export those and import into the other file.

[turbo944s2]

Hmm you sent base files , and your 75 revision meth file.

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[aluthman]

I'll send the non meth file if I still have it.

[turbo944s2]

Thank you.

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[canadianA4B7]

Awesome!! Turbo944s2 aluthmans files were what I had in mind the other day after I realized he used to have a 3071. I might need to get some of those aswell. Though I'm running smaller turbo I think some of his stuff would still likely do the same for me with the ie manifold.

[aluthman]

Awesome!! Turbo944s2 aluthmans files were what I had in mind the other day after I realized he used to have a 3071. I might need to get some of those aswell. Though I'm running smaller turbo I think some of his stuff would still likely do the same for me with the ie manifold.

The 3071 came with the white car and had a Unitronic tune. I only ever used Maestro with my K0R.

[turbo944s2]

Awesome!! Turbo944s2 aluthmans files were what I had in mind the other day after I realized he used to have a 3071. I might need to get some of those aswell. Though I'm running smaller turbo I think some of his stuff would still likely do the same for me with the ie manifold.

For some reason the file you sent me didnt work Canadian. Aluthmans file ran great , the best my car ran since I installed this kit. Im going to learn how to get the torques tracking together and then i can crank up the boost. Aluthman, do you know if the Short Term and Long Term fuel trims are disabled in your tune. If not I gotta figure out how you got them spot on.

[canadianA4B7]

Ok the file for antilag was specific for the 2863. But it also might have been revised from a tune from MEC. In which case it was 100% incorrect file! Sorry bout that one. I bet it wud start ok then run like crap after about 30 seconds?? Ya that wasn't a good file at all.

My appoligy. I can't find my maestro cable still. but you seem to be further along without my help!!

[turbo944s2]

No worries. I'm still not ready to use anti lag , too many bugs atm

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[canadianA4B7]

No worries. I'm still not ready to use anti lag , too many bugs atm

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We are in the same boat then mate!! I'm running into start up issues myself. Might have to install IE intake and jump on board with you guys.

[aluthman]

For some reason the file you sent me didnt work Canadian. Aluthmans file ran great , the best my car ran since I installed this kit. Im going to learn how to get the torques tracking together and then i can crank up the boost. Aluthman, do you know if the Short Term and Long Term fuel trims are disabled in your tune. If not I gotta figure out how you got them spot on.

They are not disabled, but I did disable them to dial in the fuel trims. Unplug the n80 to disable stored trim values and pull some nice long logs over all kinds of operating conditions (varying load and rpm). Then open maestro and use the trace feature to trace the o2 correction values onto the injection correction map. Make sure it is set to use average value and not most recent value. You will also see that I use a non-standard injector constant for the S3 injectors. The common one was too far off and was causing large variances in fuel trims.

[turbo944s2]

Awesome. Thank you

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[canadianA4B7]

They are not disabled, but I did disable them to dial in the fuel trims. Unplug the n80 to disable stored trim values and pull some nice long logs over all kinds of operating conditions (varying load and rpm). Then open maestro and use the trace feature to trace the o2 correction values onto the injection correction map. Make sure it is set to use average value and not most recent value. You will also see that I use a non-standard injector constant for the S3 injectors. The common one was too far off and was causing large variances in fuel trims.

aluthman:3 things
1. your using an alternate injector constant to 0.028770 correct??? im trying to sort through some of these adjustments myself, car seems like its off by a tiny bit. off throttle or in town doing light work through lower gears I get some pretty nasty sounding pops coming out of the exhaust. I think EPY had advised adjusting this like your suggesting.

2. in Maestro you say to use this "trace" feature?? this in the data logger or the maestro tuning part? and are you unplugging the N80 and driving with it unplugged? or am I reading the above bold line incorrectly?

3. in the software I got 2 different files ones got a lot more maps items in the menu. some of my files are shortened which is best to use? seems like the one below allows for more adjustments of cam timing. not sure whats going on but this file didn't work.

[p0isin]

I've never seen those maps for my ecu (115G). Those look like maps from a different ecu file

[canadianA4B7]

I found this if you "select base file" its in the BPY files stage 3 RS4_V2. I was just searing through files to see if I cud understand more about this N80 and logging/ tracing. found a bunch more timing adjustments and then closed the computer and went for a nap!! LOL mental overload and I just shut down!!

I know the files we have shared back and forth have had the lesser options which im fine with. just need to fine tune a bit I think. mid throttle fuel doesn't seem right or however it was we discussed. possibly searching for correct lambada??? maybe my larger fuel lines under the hood are not working as great as expected.

[aluthman]

1. Yes, I was using an injector constant other than 0.028770. You would have to ask turbo944s2 what it was exactly since I sold him my cable and ecu. I can't open the program any more without the cable.

2. The trace feature is in the Maestro tuning program. You open your file, load a log file, go to the map you want to work on and click on the trace button. The program will then trace the log values on the map so you can see where you were operating and what values you were using. I also used this feature a lot when working on my timing maps. And yes, I was talking about driving with the n80 unplugged. This forces the ecu into open loop.

3. I've never seen those maps in any of my files. I would use the other file unless you can verify that they are indeed for your ecu.

[p0isin]

For map tracing (going off memory)

1. Open Maestro and load your tune file
2. Click the open data log button in the top left part of the program
3. Choose a .CSV file with a data log. Make sure the file itself is not open already or you'll get an error message
4. Go to desired map (such as injection correction)
5. Choose the logging option icon
6. Under "trace" select "average"
7. Click start and let data log play through
8. One window will show you the results of the data log (injection correction values will either be raised or lowered)
9. You can accept all changes based on the data log review or make them yourself to specific cells in the map

This feature only works with some maps. You can also use the data log results from injection correction to determine if you should increase or decrease injector constant. For example, if all the cells in injection correction need to be increased 5%, then you can just change injector constant to achieve that instead.

[turbo944s2]

Poisin, do you use anti-lag? Can you send me a copy of your Maestro file?

[canadianA4B7]

so now this new data becomes the file used in the "injector correction" map? or it can be adjusted in the injector constant map? if im seeing adjustments in one particular section I can just cope the complete new file save it and then load it to current tune. I don't want to sound stupid or un aware of my current set up but im just terrible at it. a member has offered to assist me hopefully that will stop or ease my questions.

best to log multiple and and use different drives cover all rpm ranges and all types of conditions then selecting an average? or is this drive by drive it can be corrected and re tuned? I see lots of adjustments being done in rpm ranges im currently wondering if theres an issue. think this will help drastically.

Car runs about 30% better w N80 unplugged.

[turbo944s2]

Canadian Is your intake setup/ maf setup different from stock?

[canadianA4B7]

Will be moving shortly to the ie intake. But I'm having current issues perhaps actually w the evap itself. So in order to go from where I am to where I wanna be I wanna make a easier transition. Understanding computers I struggle with which riggt now I am.

I want to do this right.

[turbo944s2]

I mean turbo inlet pipe size

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[canadianA4B7]

OEM. 3" stainless pipe with K&n filter. And if I'm thinking where your going w this yes I understand this shudnt change much but car seems off at times mostly at lower rpm. So I'm trying to figure out my issues. If tune or hardware I'm unsure. But leaning towards swapping the manifold and changing to larger tb and finally adding water meth. All which will require tune adjustments.

Maybe time for dotuning.

[p0isin]

Poisin, do you use anti-lag? Can you send me a copy of your Maestro file?

I haven't enabled anti-lag with Maestro. PM me your email address.

[turbo944s2]

I haven't enabled anti-lag with Maestro. PM me your email address.

I won't waste your time yet. I need antilag enabled so no can see whats wrong with mine by comparison.

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[canadianA4B7]

Any one used these with the IE manifold?? Anyone tried them?

https://www.tij-power.com/product_in...ucts_id=354167

[aluthman]

Any one used these with the IE manifold?? Anyone tried them?

https://www.tij-power.com/product_in...ucts_id=354167

Not entirely sure those work with our motor but I could be wrong.

[canadianA4B7]

From what I was looking into the head needs to be machined and the wiring connectors changed to the ones provided. I found this on the VW forums with the same 2.0T fsi as ours. I will contact and find out if what I read was true or false.

[seal66]

I am curious as to what injectors those are.

Once, we iron everything out my shop is going to have an injector swap with the wire pigtails ready to drop in your motor. Another members car is getting them soon, so excited to see what they do on his. I know for me being on e85, these injectors opened up a lot of headway for me to step up to a larger turbo next year

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[canadianA4B7]

The rs4 units EPY used shud be the easiest these days. I think he had proven flow pattern to be better then the older rs4 and our S3 upgrades.

This option above I think wud solve fuel cut issues in high rpm which I wud like. That wud solve most of my fuel issues. Then meth cud be used for strictly meth purposes. As apposed to being a bump up for octane.