Video, me getting wrecked by a 04 C5 vette

[S4tinlife]

Did some runs with an old buddy from town and lost by lengths every time. Here's the vid. My buddy's vette has cam, headers and downpipes, as well as nitrous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qoH...ature=youtu.be

[cobrario]

So a C5 is about 800lb lighter with 350hp stock- so cam, headers and what shot? 100? He's pushing min of 500 hp on squeeze- what did you expect to happen? You didn't mention what if anything you had going beyond stock.

[DBFL]

So a C5 is about 800lb lighter with 350hp stock- so cam, headers and what shot? 100? He's pushing min of 500 hp on squeeze- what did you expect to happen? You didn't mention what if anything you had going beyond stock.

He shows it in the beginning of the video. He has GIAC stage 2, intake, and exhaust w/ downpipes.

[kyducati]

nitrous in an LS engine = you have no chance

[KnewJack]

Is this a DSG car? Sounded like you short shifted both runs. Whatever gear you short shifted to took forever to wind out, the out come probably would have been the same but, less of a beating. Lol. Did he spray both runs? Next time try on motor, would be cool to see the difference.

[evil35r]

Def short shifted would of been alot closer imo

[cobrario]

He shows it in the beginning of the video. He has GIAC stage 2, intake, and exhaust w/ downpipes.

Apologies - either way, similar power but 800lb weight diff is a killer

[Thurston]

Was he using the nitrous? I'm sure he was but that'd be nice to know as well.

[j1n]

too soon junior

[S4tinlife]

I did short shift and yes it's a dsg. I didn't realize in manual mode that it shifts automatically when it hits the redline. And nah he didn't use any spray. Just wanted to post the video, thought people may be interested. Also, forgot to mention my car was on the race file, had a full tank of 100 in there. Did notice it did pull a little harder. Will have to try a few more runs next time I'm in town.

[Thurston]

Oh it was a fun video to watch, that vette certainly is fast as it aught to be. Thanks for posting.

[S4tinlife]

Need more power haha. Thinking about going dual pulley with a 3-1 CW pro, but a little hesitant in regards to reliability. Haven't heard of any problems but just a little cautious.

[chet.rowles]

He was spraying

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[S4tinlife]

Not to my knowledge. He said he was using all motor.

[Victor Newman]

nitrous in an LS engine = you have no chance

This is the truth. LS engines LOVE nitrous. i had a 482 whp '02 SS camaro with a dry 125 shot, and a 505whp '05 GTO bone stock except for a wet 150 shot. the GTO system was progressively controlled and the line lengths tuned to have no initial lean hit. it made over 600ft-lbs max and wouldn't spin the tires in any gear after it was dialed in properly.

If you have an LS, all you need is nitrous

[doug97gxe]

short shifting and no DSG tune makes it look way worse than it was suppose to be

[S4tinlife]

I have the dsg tune lol, it was the short shifting. This was my first race I actually set up with someone, still getting the hang of it.

[doug97gxe]

if he wasn't spraying and on a nice cool night without short shifting you should see better results.. if you're on stock cooling.. make sure you let the car cool off before running.. these cars hate heat

[chet.rowles]

I've raced many lightly modded c4 and c5 vettes and a few cts-v oo from that generation, at the track. From a dig, modded c4's will start reeling me in in the back half, it's typically a driver's race. Lightly modded c5's will catch me and typically beat me by a length or two if they can drive. Cts-v first gens I typically beat. I am stage 1. He Is spraying or there is something materially wrong with your car.

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[JD S4]

LMAO.. Just watched the vids.. Your boy was on the spray

Nice runs - they both move out. A GIAC race file on 100 octane isn't getting pulled that hard from a bolt on C5.. You're making ~375 to the wheel... He was spraying

[mrmomo313]

JD is right. He definitely left on spray lol. No fbo cam c5 is going to gap a race gas giac stg 2 car like that. Try a 40 roll next time and leave on 2 if he insists on spraying

[Thurston]

Yeah I honestly think he straight up lied to you if he told you he wasn't spraying but if not, damn.

[MrFunk]

How do you eff up a launch with DSG? LOL
Either way - that vette was FAST. I think it could have been a bit closer if the stars lined up a bit better for you even without the short shifting you woulda lost... he obviously knows how to drive his car and it's putting power down to the wheels very efficiently. 800 lbs in weight is day and night.

[shoe3k]

Did you put your car in stock mode instead of 100? That vette pulled way too hard for a typical bolt-on c5. I see those cars trap anywhere from 111-118 depending on the mods/tune.

[Sceanzo]

Damn, that first race he put about 3 counties on you. I love the way LSx motors sound 😍

I also agree, I believe he sprayed it.

[chet.rowles]

LMAO.. Just watched the vids.. Your boy was on the spray

Nice runs - they both move out. A GIAC race file on 100 octane isn't getting pulled that hard from a bolt on C5.. You're making ~375 to the wheel... He was spraying

Like I said... This. To put buslengths on a car in that manner you need to have at least 150hp on someone.

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[Low Flyer]

He was spraying

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+1
C5 non ZO6 wouldn't pull like that on motor only.....

[Victor Newman]

Tough to tell if he was spraying or not. Looks like he got a good jump in the first video where he's out ahead by the largest margin. Is it a cam-only car, or heads and cam? Curious, as I was at 380whp with an LS1 "cam only" (with boltons and relatively small cam). With a bigger cam, you could get a little more, even with the stock heads (even assuming they aren't touched - but most just jump up to AFR's), and Vettes are light. Sounds like that thing is spinning pretty high up in the rpm range, and if the DSG was short-shifting, it's entirely possible that he could pull pretty good without spraying.

A buddy of mine has a C5Z with heads and cam that made 504whp. Along with weight reduction, he was pulling on 600whp Terminator Cobras. He's cheating, though - he went to SAM.

Nobody that runs nitrous on an LS engine has smaller than a 100-shot, realistically, so if he was spraying, it would be more like 500whp or more for a "cam only" and nitrous in a light car versus a short-shifting heavy stage 2 S4. I was at 485whp with a 100-shot on the same Camaro. Would have been a much harder pull than in the second and third runs. I actually think he may not have been spraying. It's just so easy to get power out of the El Es Juan, but I think the result was a combination of short-shifting DSG and a weight disadvantage

I ran my '05 GTO (6MT) behind my dad's '07 C6 auto, and almost ran into the back of him because the auto didn't want to hold a lower gear at the moment, and I was starting at 5,500ish rpm. If the DSG isn't letting you get up toward 7,000rpm, you're not making great power

I love my S4 and wouldn't have anything else at the moment, but I did have a stock C5 auto, an '02 SS Camaro 6MT cam-only and nitrous, an '05 GTO 6MT with only nitrous, and a C5 6MT with a built 408, so I've had a few flavors of the LS.

[mrmomo313]

Tough to tell if he was spraying or not. Looks like he got a good jump in the first video where he's out ahead by the largest margin. Is it a cam-only car, or heads and cam? Curious, as I was at 380whp with an LS1 "cam only" (with boltons and relatively small cam). With a bigger cam, you could get a little more, even with the stock heads (even assuming they aren't touched - but most just jump up to AFR's), and Vettes are light. Sounds like that thing is spinning pretty high up in the rpm range, and if the DSG was short-shifting, it's entirely possible that he could pull pretty good without spraying.

A buddy of mine has a C5Z with heads and cam that made 504whp. Along with weight reduction, he was pulling on 600whp Terminator Cobras. He's cheating, though - he went to SAM.

Nobody that runs nitrous on an LS engine has smaller than a 100-shot, realistically, so if he was spraying, it would be more like 500whp or more for a "cam only" and nitrous in a light car versus a short-shifting heavy stage 2 S4. I was at 485whp with a 100-shot on the same Camaro. Would have been a much harder pull than in the second and third runs. I actually think he may not have been spraying. It's just so easy to get power out of the El Es Juan, but I think the result was a combination of short-shifting DSG and a weight disadvantage

I ran my '05 GTO (6MT) behind my dad's '07 C6 auto, and almost ran into the back of him because the auto didn't want to hold a lower gear at the moment, and I was starting at 5,500ish rpm. If the DSG isn't letting you get up toward 7,000rpm, you're not making great power

I love my S4 and wouldn't have anything else at the moment, but I did have a stock C5 auto, an '02 SS Camaro 6MT cam-only and nitrous, an '05 GTO 6MT with only nitrous, and a C5 6MT with a built 408, so I've had a few flavors of the LS.

Given your experience with the LS, do you think a cam only LS1 c5 vette is faster than the LS3 in the gen5 camaro's with an aggressive heads/cam setup? I ran both of my friends' FBO heads/cam camaros last night off spray (they also had 100 shot setups that they did not use). Posted a vid of that in the higher ratio thread.

I'm curious because there is a cam only c5 that is fixing to call me out here lol.. I was going to run him on the pump file (with race gas in the tank) as he thinks I'm making 450bhp...

Just don't think he shoulve lost that badly if the c5 was on motor...

[AudiTunes]

I wonder what a Stage 1/Stage 2 tuned S6 would do against that corvette.

[MVR 155]

My 2002 C5 Z06 has only long tube headers, no cats, intake and Dyno tuning. It made 390/380 on a dynojet. At the track with a DA in the 700-800 range and a race weight of 3100lbs (without driver who weighs 170lbs.) and a drag radial. I ran a best of [email protected], 60' time of 1.70 (best trap of 120+). These cars need very little to achieve very impressive times. Not sure what cam and supporting mods the car you raced actually had? I can tell you that back in the day my bone stock 1996 Corvette Grand Sport with nothing more than a 125 shot of spray put down a 11.65@123mph on a 125 shot with a 1.80 60' time on the stock Goodyear GSC's..... And this was back in 1998/1999, friggin flying back then!! With heads/cam and a 150 shot I was running 10.9's@128 on Nitto DR's back in 2000/2001

[chet.rowles]

My 2002 C5 Z06 has only long tube headers, no cats, intake and Dyno tuning. It made 390/380 on a dynojet. At the track with a DA in the 700-800 range and a race weight of 3100lbs (without driver who weighs 170lbs.) and a drag radial. I ran a best of [email protected], 60' time of 1.70 (best trap of 120+). These cars need very little to achieve very impressive times. Not sure what cam and supporting mods the car you raced actually had? I can tell you that back in the day my bone stock 1996 Corvette Grand Sport with nothing more than a 125 shot of spray put down a 11.65@123mph on a 125 shot with a 1.80 60' time on the stock Goodyear GSC's..... And this was back in 1998/1999, friggin flying back then!! With heads/cam and a 150 shot I was running 10.9's@128 on Nitto DR's back in 2000/2001

I feel like you are underscoring our point here (those that think the Vette was spraying) In similar DA's a decent stage 2 car should run 11.8’s or so @ 116ish. If your Z06! was 'only' running 11.6

My 2002 C5 Z06 has only long tube headers, no cats, intake and Dyno tuning. It made 390/380 on a dynojet. At the track with a DA in the 700-800 range and a race weight of 3100lbs (without driver who weighs 170lbs.) and a drag radial. I ran a best of [email protected], 60' time of 1.70 (best trap of 120+). These cars need very little to achieve very impressive times. Not sure what cam and supporting mods the car you raced actually had? I can tell you that back in the day my bone stock 1996 Corvette Grand Sport with nothing more than a 125 shot of spray put down a 11.65@123mph on a 125 shot with a 1.80 60' time on the stock Goodyear GSC's..... And this was back in 1998/1999, friggin flying back then!! With heads/cam and a 150 shot I was running 10.9's@128 on Nitto DR's back in 2000/2001

I feel like you are underscoring the point perfectly here (that the Vette was spraying) because In similar DA's a decent stage 2 car should be running 11.8’s or slightly better @ 116ish. If your c5 Z06 was 'only' running 11.6 with bolt-ons, a 'regular' c5 with bolts and a cam would certainly not be faster than your Z06, would it?

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[Victor Newman]

Given your experience with the LS, do you think a cam only LS1 c5 vette is faster than the LS3 in the gen5 camaro's with an aggressive heads/cam setup? I ran both of my friends' FBO heads/cam camaros last night off spray (they also had 100 shot setups that they did not use). Posted a vid of that in the higher ratio thread.

I'm curious because there is a cam only c5 that is fixing to call me out here lol.. I was going to run him on the pump file (with race gas in the tank) as he thinks I'm making 450bhp...

Just don't think he shoulve lost that badly if the c5 was on motor...

I don't know much about the newer Camaros, as I got out of GM stuff around the mid 2000's and frankly have no interest in GM products or drag racing now. Nice vid though. There is still about a 600 lb. difference between a C5 and the first version of the new Camaro, which is closer to S4 weight. I really think it comes down to the weight difference and the DSG shift points when comparing a modded C5 versus a tuned S4 from a roll. If I had to guess, dual pulley w/ GIAC and the DSG shifting closer to 7,000, you'd pull on the cam-only C5 from a roll. But I'm just guessing.

The C5 in his video only pulled buslengths the first time because the Vette got a big jump at the start. The second and third pulls look more realistic if the lightweight C5 was on full boil in the rpm range and the heavy S4 DSG was short-shifting pretty badly, which sounded to be the case. On the other hand, the second and third pulls don't really look realistic if the C5 was spraying - would have been much worse. Given the race was from a roll, the C5 isn't going to have as much of a traction issue, and 1/4 mile time comparisons aren't going to be relevant.

I remember having to catch STi's "on the big end" of the track all the time just because they'd cut a ridiculous 60' time and I only ran drag radials on the 408 C5. Damn AWD....

[Victor Newman]

I feel like you are underscoring our point here (those that think the Vette was spraying) In similar DA's a decent stage 2 car should run 11.8’s or so @ 116ish. If your Z06! was 'only' running 11.6

I feel like you are underscoring the point perfectly here (that the Vette was spraying) because In similar DA's a decent stage 2 car should be running 11.8’s or slightly better @ 116ish. If your c5 Z06 was 'only' running 11.6 with bolt-ons, a 'regular' c5 with bolts and a cam would certainly not be faster than your Z06, would it?

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I think the important part of his post is the trapping over 120mph in a bolt-on Z. Trap speed would be more relevant for armchair roll racing, as that's just all power/weight. Depending on supporting mods, a "cam-only" and bolton C5 wouldn't be far away, as you're going to make similar (possibly a little more) power, and a C5 would only be about 150lb. heavier.

[mrmomo313]

I don't know much about the newer Camaros, as I got out of GM stuff around the mid 2000's and frankly have no interest in GM products or drag racing now. Nice vid though. There is still about a 600 lb. difference between a C5 and the first version of the new Camaro, which is closer to S4 weight. I really think it comes down to the weight difference and the DSG shift points when comparing a modded C5 versus a tuned S4 from a roll. If I had to guess, dual pulley w/ GIAC and the DSG shifting closer to 7,000, you'd pull on the cam-only C5 from a roll. But I'm just guessing.

The C5 in his video only pulled buslengths the first time because the Vette got a big jump at the start. The second and third pulls look more realistic if the lightweight C5 was on full boil in the rpm range and the heavy S4 DSG was short-shifting pretty badly, which sounded to be the case. On the other hand, the second and third pulls don't really look realistic if the C5 was spraying - would have been much worse. Given the race was from a roll, the C5 isn't going to have as much of a traction issue, and 1/4 mile time comparisons aren't going to be relevant.

I remember having to catch STi's "on the big end" of the track all the time just because they'd cut a ridiculous 60' time and I only ran drag radials on the 408 C5. Damn AWD....

Thanks for the feedback. Guess I'll have to turn it up all the way against that c5 to be sure !

[Victor Newman]

Down memory lane...

C5 6MT w/ 408 - 505whp

[Victor Newman]

this might work

http://vid6.photobucket.com/albums/y...undclipsv2.mp4

[ZONAWILDCATS4]

Thats a C5 Z06 with mods and spray... makes sense to me.

[jmeenach]

too soon junior

Who you racing? Some fool in a Honda 2000"

[Silverbullet S4]

Race him again without his bottle in the back, don't run him on a full tank of fuel (extra weight), put your S4 in auto and don't overthink it....floor it and keep the wheels straight. Something tells me the results would be much different.