Considering Chipwerke

**Navyseal#6** · 09-05-2016 05:37 AM

I just reached 75,000 miles on my stock 2011 S4 and I'm considering installing a Chipwerke, any suggestions for what Chipwerke model, to do it or not to do it? Thanks

**14S4GWM** · 09-05-2016 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by Navyseal#6

I just reached 75,000 miles on my stock 2011 S4 and I'm considering installing a Chipwerke, any suggestions for what Chipwerke model, to do it or not to do it? Thanks

Theres a very extensive thread on CW that will answer your questions and then some.

**GRUMPY-S4** · 09-05-2016 06:58 AM

If your out of warranty, why a CW and not a tune.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

**tgsweat** · 09-05-2016 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by GRUMPY-S4

If your out of warranty, why a CW and not a tune.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This

**B8Addict** · 09-05-2016 12:30 PM

Even if you did have a warranty, CW can get you TD1 now too. There was a post that had an updated service page on Audi being able to detect piggyback tunes. Since you don't, I would probably say go for a tune.

**Navyseal#6** · 09-05-2016 01:35 PM

Any brand recommendations on a tune?

**Navyseal#6** · 09-05-2016 01:56 PM

I do have an extended warranty, would the CW be easier to install and uninstall for warranty purposes?

**DBL R** · 09-05-2016 03:26 PM

CW is easy to install and uninstall literally takes 1 minute (if you don't care about hiding wires). Good power bump, less refinement for DSG (some experience lag between shifts).

**Dubious** · 09-05-2016 05:47 PM

Recommend removing CW and then clearing codes via vagcom for the best shot at not being TD1'ed.

**Navyseal#6** · 09-05-2016 06:48 PM

Thanks guys

**GRUMPY-S4** · 09-05-2016 07:49 PM

Ahhh so you have an extended warranty. Then CW is your best option to keep warranty.

Make sure to always clear all codes before bringing to dealer and hide the wires well

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

**04Moroblue** · 09-05-2016 10:52 PM

I like mine, power dips after more than part throttle shifts but comes right back in. Tracking next week to see the improvement

**MVR 155** · 09-06-2016 12:16 AM

I've had the CW on my car since April of 2015, it's got some very minor drivability issues (such as minor hesitation on part throttle shifts). I went from 13.1@104 to 12.6@108 (closer to 109) at the track. For the money you cannot beat the performance/improvement.

**S4ilicious** · 09-06-2016 01:28 AM

As previously mentioned, you will find tons of more information of this on the Chipwerke thread. Always remember the search bar is your friend (:
From my experience the pros of running chipwerke are that 1) It Is cheap and safe to run.and 2) you get considerable power gains proven by multiple dynos of people running thier car before and after chipwerke. Many nay Sayers will say its purely butt dyno but believe me, the chipwerke gains are equal if not better then most stage 1 tunes from many of them "major tuners". 3) never got Td1 after taking the car for service however I did disconnected the chipwerke and cleared any codes using the Carista app. As far as the cons go, the only area chipwerke could improve on was the drive ability since I as well as many other people running it would experience a half sec lag after shifting especially during part throttle. Overall good product though if your looking for a little more safe power.

**ojmcneill** · 09-06-2016 07:40 AM

I threw a Chipwerke Pro on my 13 S4 and have never looked back. The increased performance is amazing! Yes, there are a few driveability related issues but nothing extreme. It's almost as if you have turbo lag but when it comes on, it'll pin you back in your seat. I'm still convinced it gives more brute power than most stage 1s for much less money. Additionally, I still think the ones coming on here saying you'll get TD1'd with a Chipwerke have some vested interest in stage 1 tuning. I saw the same post someone was saying AUdi can detect but I just don't buy it. If you make sure to uninstall (30seconds) before service work, you will be fine. To be doubly safe, just clear your codes, even if there aren't any, after uninstalling before service.

Best mod I've ever done to my car. When you first install it, it is weird for about five miles while your car's adjusting to it, but after that, it's such a blast. I couldn't imagine going back to stock now. That's the biggest drawback is that it ruins stock mode for you as way to slow. Don't buy the TD1 business. I didn't.
Go for it. You'll love it man.

**sacandagaD** · 09-06-2016 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by ojmcneill

I threw a Chipwerke Pro on my 13 S4 and have never looked back. The increased performance is amazing! Yes, there are a few driveability related issues but nothing extreme. It's almost as if you have turbo lag but when it comes on, it'll pin you back in your seat. I'm still convinced it gives more brute power than most stage 1s for much less money. Additionally, I still think the ones coming on here saying you'll get TD1'd with a Chipwerke have some vested interest in stage 1 tuning. I saw the same post someone was saying AUdi can detect but I just don't buy it. If you make sure to uninstall (30seconds) before service work, you will be fine. To be doubly safe, just clear your codes, even if there aren't any, after uninstalling before service.

Best mod I've ever done to my car. When you first install it, it is weird for about five miles while your car's adjusting to it, but after that, it's such a blast. I couldn't imagine going back to stock now. That's the biggest drawback is that it ruins stock mode for you as way to slow. Don't buy the TD1 business. I didn't.
Go for it. You'll love it man.

Had mine since June and agree completely with this post. The only time I get that slight lag is on occasion, when I downshift quickly in just "D" or "S"with the paddles and keep my foot in it, and it then shifts up. But if you are in Manual mode mine rips up to just below redline and shifts cleanly with no lag. The increase is most noticeable from 4500 to 6200 as it keeps pulling.

I also read all the TD1 boogeyman posts and don't buy it. No one on any of the 3.0 platform forums have ever confirmed that they got flagged with one.

**kdn0789** · 09-06-2016 07:58 AM

Is the stage 2 chipwerke worth it or better to get a stage 2 tune? I'm thinking about just getting the stage 1 just to be safe.

**DBL R** · 09-06-2016 09:14 AM

Honestly I would just use CW as a band-aide until companies figure out which pulley size works best for their dual pulley setups and tunes....

**CELison** · 09-06-2016 09:16 AM

If I were you I would get a real stage 2 tune. Flash it back to stock for dealer visits like everyone else.

**ojmcneill** · 09-06-2016 09:32 AM

Just do the Chipwerke until they figure out what's going on with the stage 2 pullies. If your tuner is close by then I'd consider doing the tune but if you're like most of us, I'd have to drive an hour to an hour and a half to get to my tuner, uninstall the tune and revert back to stock, then go in for service and then go back to the tuner. It would just get pretty tedious by that point.

**onlyaudis** · 09-06-2016 09:58 AM

did EPL stage one plus DSG at home myself and couldn't be happier with the tunes and the way we did it. can flash back to stock if I need to myself. Chipwerke seems to work OK on cars that have access to higher octane. It will not be as refined as a real tune.

**Chris@EPL** · 09-06-2016 11:21 AM

With our flash at home cable, it does not get much easier. And we use your exact part number OEM file down to the same software version. PM sent

**ModItNow** · 09-06-2016 11:41 AM

Ive had chipwerke for over a year now and it's great. After about 8 months I went stage 2 with the smaller pulley and it pulls nice and hard. I recommend it!

Sent from my SM-G925V using Audizine mobile app

**poncho@home** · 09-09-2016 09:44 AM

ModItNow, all you changed is the pulley and that made it Stage 2? Did you change the settings on the Chipwerke as well?

**Dr GP** · 09-09-2016 10:28 AM

Are there less driveability issues with a 6MT?

**sacandagaD** · 09-09-2016 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Dr GP

Are there less driveability issues with a 6MT?

Based off of my experience, I'd bet yes, since you are not letting the tranny shift for you. I get the smoothest (and most noticable) performance when in manual mode and letting the car rev to redline and shift itself.

If I use "D" or "S" and the paddles, it has a tendency to hesitate ever so slightly after you hit the paddle and when it automatically short shifts well before redline. For me, driveability is pretty much not affected when driving casually or at less than a throttle mash. I use Shell ultra 93 exclusively and the box setting at 5-1.

**jnicho1** · 10-11-2016 11:06 AM

"Installed" the Chipwerke Pro over the weekend - haven't driven too much yet, but the car is considerably faster. Traction control turns on in first under full throttle and I definitely feel much better acceleration above 4k revs or so (reminds me of the e90 M3 a bit) . Need to get used to the car again - she's fast OOTB, but definitely need to be careful now. I accelerated out of a banked turn as I always have during my drive home and had the car sliding sideways like a 2 ton go-cart. A little scary, but fun! No real difference under normal driving. The throttle is much more sensitive, though.

I'd recommend for sure. Will add more feedback once I get a few more hours in the drivers seat. Btw, I have 6MT, so no throttle yips so far.

**RedRx** · 10-11-2016 01:30 PM

I've had the Chipwerke Pro installed on my 2015 S4 with 6MT for about 6 months. No serious issues so far. I mostly use the 5-1 setting and have set off the check engine light a few times over the summer when it seems it was hotter then usual. I believe the error code was underboast and did not affect drivabilitly. I simply erased it and moved on. Didn't throw any codes on 3-1 settings, but definitely didn't feel as powerful. This is using 93 gas.

Power wise, an absolute increase in power over stock esp at 5-1 setting. Seems to come on down low in the range and gives you the 'pinned to the seat' feel without down shifting. I've noticed that at first there seems to be no lag at all, but after driving for a few days, there is definitely lag when you go from little throttle to WOT. It's a surging feeling similar to a turbo. Slightly annoying at first, but its very quick and I've gotten used to it. Would recommend 100% if you want to keep your warranty. Have brought the car in twice since having it on and no issues (i remove it first obviously).

**XxSullyxX123** · 10-11-2016 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by RedRx

I've had the Chipwerke Pro installed on my 2015 S4 with 6MT for about 6 months. No serious issues so far. I mostly use the 5-1 setting and have set off the check engine light a few times over the summer when it seems it was hotter then usual. I believe the error code was underboast and did not affect drivabilitly. I simply erased it and moved on. Didn't throw any codes on 3-1 settings, but definitely didn't feel as powerful. This is using 93 gas.

Power wise, an absolute increase in power over stock esp at 5-1 setting. Seems to come on down low in the range and gives you the 'pinned to the seat' feel without down shifting. I've noticed that at first there seems to be no lag at all, but after driving for a few days, there is definitely lag when you go from little throttle to WOT. It's a surging feeling similar to a turbo. Slightly annoying at first, but its very quick and I've gotten used to it. Would recommend 100% if you want to keep your warranty. Have brought the car in twice since having it on and no issues (i remove it first obviously).

I've had mine about a week and love it too. I actually have a "stage 2" box on 5-1. feels really smooth. I'm 6MT though. Murat has been recommending 6MT folks with 93octane to use the stage 2 box and worst case dial it down to 4-1 or 3-1 if you need to clear too many underboost codes.

**Ordie** · 10-11-2016 02:43 PM

This thread hurts. I'm on the same boat. My car will be out of warranty in January and I'm looking for a tune (or which level of tune for that matter) and CW is one of them. Just worried about drivability twitches

**14S4GWM** · 10-11-2016 03:07 PM

CW is not a tune. Domit the right way the first time.

**RedRx** · 10-11-2016 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by XxSullyxX123

I've had mine about a week and love it too. I actually have a "stage 2" box on 5-1. feels really smooth. I'm 6MT though. Murat has been recommending 6MT folks with 93octane to use the stage 2 box and worst case dial it down to 4-1 or 3-1 if you need to clear too many underboost codes.

Don't mean to derail but..

Would he switch out the stage 1 for stage 2 box? Did you try both? Do you feel any 'turbo' lag when you go full throttle?

**XxSullyxX123** · 10-11-2016 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by RedRx

Don't mean to derail but..

Would he switch out the stage 1 for stage 2 box? Did you try both? Do you feel any 'turbo' lag when you go full throttle?

Not sure, I bought it used this way. Although from what I understand, Murat is very willing to make changes. Maybe there is a slight turbo lag feeling, but it's hard to say. It does feel like less lag then my friend who had a stage one CW one his car when I rode in it.

Sent from my iPhone using Audizine mobile app

**Stickshift4me** · 10-12-2016 11:02 AM

Well, this is my first post and of course it's about Chipwerke. Yes I have searched and read the pros/cons. I have low miles and don't want to screw with my warranty.

So we really need to add the cost of a scanner to clear anything before a dealer visit, right? Faster than pulling the neg wire to the battery.

What version Vag Com? Cost? Best to place to buy it?

Thanks!

**XxSullyxX123** · 10-12-2016 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Stickshift4me

Well, this is my first post and of course it's about Chipwerke. Yes I have searched and read the pros/cons. I have low miles and don't want to screw with my warranty.

So we really need to add the cost of a scanner to clear anything before a dealer visit, right? Faster than pulling the neg wire to the battery.

What version Vag Com? Cost? Best to place to buy it?

Thanks!

I bought the Carista OBDII adapter for $40 on amazon and paid the Carista $40 annual subscription for my iPhone app. you can clear codes with it, as another guy mentioned a few posts above your question.

**jprice** · 10-12-2016 12:26 PM

IMO get a real tune, not a piggyback ECU fooler. EPL flash at home if you would like the ability to go back and forth to stock easily.

**XxSullyxX123** · 10-12-2016 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by jprice

IMO get a real tune, not a piggyback ECU fooler. EPL flash at home if you would like the ability to go back and forth to stock easily.

I would consider ChipWerke a gateway drug. Cheap HP gains (and actually pretty darn smooth on a 6MT that gets 93 octane), that over time may lead you to want a more refined tune. More than anything after a week, with a full pulls I have done from 1st gear, I have found that having a higher rev limiter will help given how fast this thing hits the limiter! The ease of removal for dealer visits also a piece of cake. I'd only consider a flash at home in place of a CW. EPL, Uni, or the new 034 if it ever comes to a flash at home. Providing no TD1 issues, flash from home back to stock seems like it would be just as easy.

Not to change the subject, but with Unitronic cable I have read you can also read and clear DTCs and not need a Carista dongle or VAGCOM. Is this true for EPL? 034 we don't know yet since they don't yet offer the flash at home option.

**bhvrdr** · 10-12-2016 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by XxSullyxX123

I would consider ChipWerke a gateway drug. Cheap HP gains (and actually pretty darn smooth on a 6MT that gets 93 octane), that over time may lead you to want a more refined tune. More than anything after a week, with a full pulls I have done from 1st gear, I have found that having a higher rev limiter will help given how fast this thing hits the limiter! The ease of removal for dealer visits also a piece of cake. I'd only consider a flash at home in place of a CW. EPL, Uni, or the new 034 if it ever comes to a flash at home. Providing no TD1 issues, flash from home back to stock seems like it would be just as easy.

Not to change the subject, but with Unitronic cable I have read you can also read and clear DTCs and not need a Carista dongle or VAGCOM. Is this true for EPL? 034 we don't know yet since they don't yet offer the flash at home option.

I can confirm the Uni has clear code functions. Sorry not sure about others but im sure others will chime in.

I also agree about the CW being kind of a gateway (for me anyways). If I was just looking for a basic stage 1 or stage 2 level of bump and not into hitting the track or anything I would have stayed with the CW. In addition, if I was a 6MT I likely would have stayed with it even longer and tried dual pulley with it. With the 6MT there really arent any drawbacks that I can think of with running the CW, expecially if you have access to 93 octane like you said.

The DSG on the B8.5 had me shifting at 6300rpms though so I would have eventually needed a TCU tune. Still im impressed I could run a 12.1 at 113mph with just the CW Stg2 and Intake shifting at 6300rpm. For $500 to $600 bucks in mods you cant go wrong. It was a very surprising and fun mod and obviously the biggest bang for the buck I ever did to the car. But I just had to try something new and I was very pleased with a flash tune as well. There was a slight improvement in power delivery at the shifts with the Uni Stg 2 and that was nice.

Mike